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ron paul supporters are getting the boot this time from the republican national convention seventeen delegates have been disqualified in a sharp message from the right line up behind mitt romney or suffer the consequences so is this what g.o.p. unity looks like. it's the dawn of a new era in egypt the country's first ever democratic election handed the reins to muslim brotherhood candidate mohamed morsi well the military regime go quietly to tell you about this is stork vote and the global implications straight ahead. plus a big day for the immigration battle brewing in the u.s. supreme court threw out key provisions of arizona's s.b.
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ten seventy law we're bringing the latest and see how the u.s. stacks up against its international counterparts when it comes to immigration. it's monday june twenty fifth four pm in washington d.c. i'm abby martin and you're watching our t.v. all eyes have been on egypt since its revolution catapulted the arab spring movement there's been a bloody battle in the country ever since the title election muslim brotherhood candidate mohamed morsi was declared egypt's first freely elected president over the weekend parties marina looks at how the new leadership in egypt could mean a delicate diplomacy dance for washington. egypt's revolution began with tens of thousands into here square and it became a success shortly after washington sided with the anti-government opposition by stepping down president mubarak responded to the egyptian peoples' hunger for
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change america's indorsement of change has paved the way for the muslim brotherhood one of the world's largest islamist movements to become egypt's strongest political force their candidate mohamed morsi just won the presidential race morsi has reportedly called for a constitution that is based on the koran and sharia law in the case of egypt we're taking a piece of the board that was one of our pieces this is what the internet was one of the strongest american assets in the middle east and for many years we've removed that piece and brought in some people who i do not think will be friendly to us. in this video film last month and egyptian cleric rally support for the brotherhood's presidential candidate. and we're yet to hear that. thing. is that.
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the muslim brotherhood has many different factions many different elements they are a political organization but they also have ties to terrorism they're also directly intertwined with what's going on in syria according to the new york times cia officers secretly stationed in turkey are currently working with syria's muslim brotherhood to smuggle automatic rifles grenades and ammunition into the country it didn't work out enough to understand what it was all mean you know it would be. oh it's not going to work out in syria is biking up some of that you're going to end up with. the syrian opposition seen here waving al-qaeda flags has received public support from the terrorist network and created what some call a de facto alliance between america and its number one enemy. critics saying america's campaign for regime change comes with the consequence of
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empowering more radical and extreme leaders in the arab world let's not forget that assad and his government is a secular government just as gadhafi is government was a secular government if you get rid of that and you create the power vacuum al qaeda or another force that is as organized and as strong will take its place continued political instability in cairo has raised questions about this so-called success attributed to the arab spring governments in egypt and libya were toppled with a u.s. stamp of approval but with new regimes leaning towards extreme islam many believe america could eventually find itself in a circumstance it hardly ever wanted marina porton i r.t. new york. more g.o.p. dirty tricks against ron paul supporters seventeen ron paul delegates have been disqualified from representing the state of massachusetts at the republican national convention in tampa the reason because they didn't sign an affidavit that under the penalty of perjury would swear their support for mitt romney's nomination
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now ron paul supporters are known for their readiness. to own. the old. but the republican party has never required an affidavit in the process of selecting representative delegates so why now and what will this mean for the convention to answer these and more i'm joined now by tim cavanaugh managing editor for reason dot com thanks for joining me ten. why do you why do you think it is that the that they're taking such and president and measures i mean i thought it was kind of in the bag for romney at this point it is in the bag for the ron paul himself has more or less withdrawn
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from the field so i mean it's unnecessary p.r. headache there a lot of people in the republican party who have this feeling like we want to really openly purge the ron paul supporters their argument being that these are not real republicans they sort of come into the party you know by convenience just because of ron paul who's an outlier who happens to believe in what all the things that the republicans say they believe in so why do you think it is that they're just doing it just to exclude and try to just you know say that you're not part of the real i think they're really. yeah i think they want to make examples in some cases just to say we can make our own rules and they can make their own rules i mean you know we want to remember the first amendment freedom of association with regard to political parties i don't like the way they're doing what they're doing but they do have the right to do it as organized parties who are allowed to do what they want under the freedom of association so ten going on for you just sad you
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know i was wondering if this is even legal as you said it is in two thousand and eight when a utah delegate wanted to vote for romney and said of mccain the r. and c. legals council ruled that he could vote with his conscience and they said that they are in c. does not recognize a state's binding of national delegates and delegate wanted to vote for whoever they choose they can as a free agent so does this not why i mean. that seems to be it would seem to apply yes and you know they should make their own rules and they should live by them and certainly the whole concept of the delegate system implies that there is a conscious person there that delegate is not just a zero or a one it's a person who will make his or her own decision and so yeah they they should be free to do so and the party should not be i don't use a lot of should i mean they they can do it whatever that way they want but they i
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would prefer that they not use force of the you actually make such an attractive party and such an attractive candidate that people in your own party your own delegates want to vote for that person if they don't my sense of fair play says that they should be allowed to voice their opinion and there is certainly. anecdotal evidence and a lot of numerical evidence in the evidence of a lot of caucuses and votes that we've seen over this winter and spring to say that ron paul's people should get a voice in the republican party. it is interesting ten minutes seems like they're reinforced i mean perjury is a big deal when you're forcing someone to sign an affidavit that that's no joke do you think that this is just because of embarrassment mostly i mean the whole crew that happened in massachusetts where ron paul took so many delegates. yeah i mean ron paul has been working at delegate strategy from the beginning we've
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been covering a lot at reason dot com i would recommend the book even if you weren't a colleague but ron paul's revolution by brian doherty is a good place to catch up on how they have been working it in this campaign and what what the game plan is now in the important thing here is that there is a large force of ron paul people they are not officially married it's more of a common law arrangement with the republican party so you know that there their needs have to be taken into account they talk about something serious they talk about a lot of things that are foundational to what america is what the united states of america is and they need to be taken seriously whether they will stay with the republican party is interesting and how they will behave now that you know spartacus himself is not on the battlefield it will also be interesting to see what do you think about rand paul's recent endorsement for romney. you know as
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ron paul always says we have discipline in our family but they don't they don't make the rules on who can do what it is neither an indicator for or against ron paul's own endorsement unclear how he's going to go don't know whether he's going to do it it's seems hard to believe he would indorse from the with the current platform that romney has and in fact with the entire history that romney has in there and politics and that's bad news for romney because you know when you look at the actual votes when you look at how many people actually came out to the polls in these primaries so far this year romney is drawing not too many more people than he did in two thousand and eight when he lost to john mccain who then went on to lose to barack obama so you know he needs everybody he can get i think it's it's also unnecessary and that's what's so sad about this message to such thing why alienate people who you might be able to get on to your side. look here really quickly from
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ron paul about the endorsement of romney let's roll that your son senator rand paul has endorsed romney i take it you're not ready yourself to endorse romney are you. not ready you're not ready no way. so you sounded pretty pretty term in that he wasn't going for me to he wasn't going to endorse and i mean going back to his son really quickly i know that you you said that it's you know more about the message that doesn't really deter the ron paul movement but you have to admit it does kind of and it kind of disappoint a lot of people who were hoping that rand paul would follow in his father's footsteps now that round ron paul is kind of out of the game. yeah and the history of rand paul himself which is fairly brief at this point he has been around for very long but you know the one thing you have to remember about both pauls is they they win elections and you know that's easier said than done the congress is
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a very sweaty small stakes game you're running every two years you don't you know there are four hundred thirty some of you and so it's a tough racket in a lot of ways being in the congress and yet ron paul managed to stay in the congress for several terms leave run for president lose that campaign obviously and then come back to the congress and serve for many more terms and which he and he's now retiring and rand paul has won the senate which is obviously a far more coveted seat and so he's got to play the game as they all have to do and you do have to win elections and that's something you need to keep in mind when you think about if there is a paul dynasty i'm not a big believer in dynasties. i don't you know i'm not going to tell anybody to put their stakes on on any particular paul but you do have to remember that it's smart to stay with the republicans it's a long tradition ronald reagan had his eleventh not the goal of an amendment
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eleventh commandment thou shall not speak well badly of another republican so that's that's what they're looking to do and they know what is not in that kind of a for a party the one that is not kind of double speak i mean here obviously the republican establishment is continuing to shut out ron paul's supporters over and over again i mean they're going to extremes time and they're going to they're sign an affidavit to to promise don't vote for romney but then you're saying that you know it's smart to kind of cater to this establishment that shut out the supporters to play them on ok i haven't even looked at in trade in a while but i don't know where romney is these days i don't think it's a smart move for the republicans to be doing that you know in addition to just being an ethical move and being something that you know indicates they're not really interested in new ideas and you know romney is certainly evidence that they're not interested in new ideas. so so what are what are ron paul supporters supposed to do at this point if the republican establishment continues to shut them out just continue to cater to the establishment well there was an interesting
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announcement by cafe press a couple days ago which does a little you know you can make your own t. shirts indicating that for the first time ron paul has dropped below the president himself in the number of t. shirts and branded items they want don't know where rand paul was showing up that gary johnson has been surging in the t. shirt market i don't know how how powerful a candidate gary johnson will be but he stands for many of the things ron paul stands for doesn't stand for all of them and ron paul pointedly has not said many kind words about gary johnson so the that's another alternative out there or they could decide we want to stay in the republican party and work to make change from within and you know we had a bunch of people elected in two thousand and ten rand paul included who may be moving in another direction maybe not with one hundred percent of the grocery list that we would like them to have but better than what we've had before it does seem like the g.o.p. as it stands right now is so far off base then ron paul's whole libertarian
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philosophy is a small government curving back the military i mean here's romney talking about doubling the military twice that size potentially you know invading iran and all of these things i mean it does seem like there's a giant dichotomy there when you're talking about trying to influence the are in theory and the g.o.p. from within how possible is that really. not very i mean the two parties when they get into power they look very much alike and you you certainly see you see that even now when they're vying for the party and they've just decided what the establishment story can be allowed to be but you know we are facing it wasn't just an accident and it certainly wasn't ron paul's magnetic charisma although he has an interesting kind of negative charisma you know he's so humble that he stands tall but you know it wasn't that that drove all these people to ron paul the people didn't just out of the blue decide they were going to become obsessed with the federal reserve and with monetary policy and with ten percent inflation since two
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thousand and seven when nothing has been growing in our economy yet our money for some reason has lost ten percent of its value over that time these are serious things that are happening to real people who are buying groceries every day and living less well every day and they see ron paul saying something that's true about what what is happening to them on the ground in america. tim do you think that we're going to see other states take these measures that massachusetts has and really try to use these tactics to shut out more delegates to the convention. yes you will see it happening again and again and especially since the i mean there are states where ron paul couldn't credibly claim to have won so it's going to be tough in the romney has the numbers at this point he has the delegates but of course everybody wants to go into the convention you know conventions have completely been cut off from what they were supposed to be in their origins where you go there and everybody gets together and we all vote and decide who's going to and you know not
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part of the way but all those folks get together and decide who the candidates going to be now they've just been turned into the you know these like pre game show at the olympics where you already know who the vice president's going to be it's all just a pageant and you know that's all that's supposed to happen i think america would be well served if both parties both major parties conventions once again became places where there's a challenge where you know there are sexual fighting going on in that respect maybe this is something to be optimistic about that the republicans there the republican institute you know establishment takes this threat so seriously it would be great if they had a contested election certainly great for us as journalists lug a lot more interesting to cover a convention that hasn't been decided ahead of time and it is it is very interesting the rules seem to be changing by the day thanks so much for coming on and sharing your perspective that was ten kavanah managing editor for reason dot com thanks for conflicting reports on the supreme court's ruling on arizona's
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controversial s.b. ten seventy immigrant law it was a split decision from scotus three provisions were struck down on their preemption a federal law but it seems the ruling is in the eye of the beholder. c.n.n. c.n.n. reported the arts of immigration law rejected while fox news touted that fox the supreme court upheld part of the law allowing police to ask about immigration status and find the m s n b c brag that the high court struck down most of arizona immigration law here's what was being debated number one make it a state crime to be an undocumented immigrant or to allow police to conduct warrantless arrests and three criminalize work for undocumented immigrants so those are all struck down with the most controversial piece of legislation that was upheld is the show me your papers provision which allows police to question anyone suspected to be an undocumented immigrant and demand to see their papers this may seem controversial but other countries have had much more strict legislation
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dealing with immigration so how does the u.s. compare to the rest of the world joining me now to discuss this is ben cohen editor of the daily banter and president of banter media group so i hate them thanks for joining me today what do you think about this recent ruling and the up holding of the show me your papers provision. i think it is a reflection of the kind of mood in the united states and how as a nation it deals with the issue of immigration that it's a complicated subject and there's many different competing interests as it is in the u.k. as well we have a whole host of problems kind of cultural conflicts so i think it again it's a confused ruling and it also you know immigration policy in the united states is generally confused as well so i guess it's a kind of reflection of the current mood do you think it's on the right we're on the right track with the ruling you get this is a sign of progress or is it taking it back i think that particularly the stop and
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the stopping and stop and search policy that was the obama administration has made it clear that they are coming down on the side of federal law. applying and so states don't have the right to violate somebody's civil rights i think that's a positive step i think the other the other rulings that allowed the. question because papers is very sketchy grounds that could be cause for some concern when i read a statement that obama made in response to the ruling he says a patchwork of state laws is not a solution to our broken immigration system it's part of the problem why is there such a constant schism between federal law and state law when you see in the e.u. it doesn't seem like there's that much it seems like everyone's kind of working together and there's not really these inner city or state divisions really with their policies i think in the u.k. there is there are some problems that we have a new conservative well it's
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a coalition government but it's it's a it's primarily a conservative government and david cameron came in on a platform of reducing immigration and increasing actually police powers to stop and search people so there is that conflict between. you know britain and europe so the i think there is a definite problem and i think obama is correct. it in saying that you know having states decide their own immigration policy while they may you know on the face of it you know different states are going to have different problems you know if your resume is on the border with mexico they're going to have more of a problem with immigration will move proceed from with immigration somewhere in the midwest which doesn't boardroom on a foreign country. but then again the you have the conflict between civil rights and which what supersedes what and i think obama was correct in saying that that should be a national policy the foundation is civil rights and in america it was a nation but with immigration so the whole argument is kind of. doesn't really as
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an immigrant as well myself i'm an immigrant was so recent immigrants you know just . i find it quite of a funny argument but i think it's there's a racial element to it as well i don't tend to get troubled when i come into the studies of white british. i've seen many people with talk it seemed out of the mind of a lot more problems than me well let's talk about france really quickly that's a nation where it's more about integration into france and the burqa ban and you see a lot of stop and showing papers laws there and it doesn't seem like people are making that big of a deal out of that country where it's more about you need to assimilate into our culture here it seems like more people are you know you're american but you but we're a melting pot and we have a bunch of different cultures and a bunch of different races living here so what is really the big deal i mean if this is happening in european countries and it seems like it's ok what is the big
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deal here with the stop and show me your papers thing. well america again i think america has a history of i mean overseas to get into the country. generally speaking from a european perspective from someone who's lived outside of. most of my life outside of the united states i actually find the race relations pretty good in america the relationship between different ethnic groups as opposed to someone like france who is actually not very good i mean if you. are a joy confronts you know you have liberty bell it's a fraternity which is the you know that's the saying in france but the immigrants have a different saying which is it's about you know liberty equality it's about which means your papers if you see you've got to give your papers so you know i mean i know actually several french people black french people who left france because of stop and search policies and the fact that they were required to carry papers and were searched almost on a weekly basis and put in prison for not having their papers on them and i think americans are right to be up in arms about anything resembling that what about in
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germany and their turkish immigrant relations it's somewhat compare it as mexicans and in america do you think there's anything to learn from the e.u. and germany and relations to the turkish immigrants here in america with mexican immigrants that's an interesting question i mean germany you have to you even if you're born in germany it doesn't mean that you're considered german doesn't mean that you are technically german. born in germany or their parents are turkish that turkish that not actually german citizens and that i think that would be definitely the wrong path for america to go down as a country that is achieved its success from immigration i think that would be the wrong thing to do you know obama's. alarming you know he's up to a hundred things i hundred thousand young people who work for you know for the right and transported to america by their parents allowing them to get a path to citizenship i think is
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a very positive move so i think germany would be the best. two to follow when it comes to immigration so you think that we're pretty much a head of the european countries in terms of respecting civil liberties and respecting people's different nationalities and races i think in many ways you up differently thank you so much for coming on for sharing your opinion that's ben cohen editor for the daily banter and president for banter media group it's an issue that we've been covering at r.t. for a while now drones are many in the thought of having robotic flying machines of all shapes and sizes over america is unsettling to say the least but what exactly can drones be used for. spine no you can't personally use drones to watch your sexy neighbor undress there are still laws preventing thomas from peeping and if you're caught will be no sympathy from the courts on that one as far as the government goes well we already know big brother is watching and usually courts don't recognize privacy rights concerning anything that could be seen from
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a public vantage point to keep your blinds closed if you don't want cops seeing your pile of weed delivery not yet so far the f.a.a. prohibits most commercial use of drones and delivery for compensation is not allowed yet congress is asking the f.a.a. to reexamine its policy so don't write off pizza delivery drones in the near future quite yet to follow technically yes officers can follow vehicles without weren't so using drones to do instead may be a perfect way to avoid the recent ruling that requires a warrant to install g.p.s. on someone's car this is futuristic scenario is here and around the corner from becoming a reality and inform yourself on what privacy rights you still have and remember the next time you think you see a u.f.o. don't worry it's just an unmanned drone watching you couple account is up next on r.t.s. let's check in with lauren lister and see what's on today's agenda what's going on more on the well george soros billionaire investor news maker pretty much whenever
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he says anything is now saying that europe may have to read a to pull it together with a make or break moment for the currency union this is ahead of an e.u. summit later this week which is that three day window that european leaders have to all agree and come together with some kind of couldn't buy all results that would save the euro zone or elles soros says this could be a fiasco and could be fatal for the currency union now we have heard these predictions a million times before so we're going to settle once and for all whether they mean anything but on the flip side the euro zone does appear to be at a very. a precarious point and what really can one do abbi if you've watched capitol hill with leaders trying to agree the eurozone is definitely no better so we're going talk about with edward harrison thanks lauren that does it for now for more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash r t america or check out our website or to dot com slash usa and also follow me on twitter martin so you
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