pledge allegiance to mitt romney or suffer the consequences seventeen ron paul supporters have been relieved of their delegate duty all because they won't promise to vote for romney so why is it they are in the night in the party instead of dividing if. there's anything we've learned from egypt over the past year it's that no one is too powerful be toppled and now it's up to president elect mohamed morsi to get egypt on the right track we'll tell you all about this story vote and question the global invocation implications plus in the battle between states rights and federal mandates today's supreme court decision was

a game changer of the lives of millions of undocumented workers hangs in the balance we'll see how the u.s. stacks up against international counterparts when it comes to immigration. it's monday june twenty fifth seven pm in washington d.c. i'm abbie martin and you're watching our team more g.o.p. dirty tricks against ron paul supporters seventeen ron paul delegates have been disqualified from representing the state of massachusetts at the republican national convention the reason because they didn't sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury where their support for mitt romney is on the nation now ron paul supporters are known for their rowdiness. the only. the only.

way. but the republican party has never required an affidavit in the process of selecting representative delegates so why now mitt romney truly has in the bag and what will this mean for the convention to answer these questions and more i was joined earlier by tim cavanagh managing editor for reason dot com take a listen it is in the bag for romney ron paul himself has more or less withdrawn from the field so i mean it's unnecessary p.r. headache there are a lot of people in the republican party who have this feeling like we want to really openly purge the ron paul supporters their argument being that these are not real republicans they sort of come into the party you know by convenience just because of ron paul who's an outlier who happens to believe in what all the things

that the republicans say they believe in so why do you think it is that they're just doing it just to exclude and try to just you know say that you're not part of the real i think there are a. yeah i think they want to make examples in some cases just to say we can make our own rules and they can make their own rules i mean you know we want to remember the first amendment freedom of association with regard to political parties i don't like the way they're doing what they're doing but they do have the right to do it as organized parties who are allowed to do what they want under the freedom of association so ten going on for you just sad you know i was wondering if this is even legal as you said it is in two thousand and eight when a utah delegate wanted to vote for romney and said of mccain the r. and c. legal council ruled that he could vote with his conscience and they said that they are in c. does not recognize that as state's binding of national delegates and delegate wanted to vote for whoever they choose they can as a free agent so does this not why i mean. that seems to be

it would seem to apply yes and you know they should make their own rules and they should live by them and certainly the whole concept of the delegate system implies that there is a conscious person there that delegate is not just a zero or a one it's a person who will make his or her own decision and so yeah they they should be free to do so and the party should not be i don't use a lot of should i mean they they can do it whatever that way they want but they. would prefer that they not use force of the you actually make such an attractive party and such an attractive candidate that people in your own party your own delegates want to vote for that person if they don't my sense of fair play says that they should be allowed to voice their opinion and there is certainly. anecdotal evidence and a lot of numerical evidence in the evidence of a lot of caucuses and votes that we've seen over this winter and spring to say that

ron paul's people should get a voice in the republican party. it is interesting ten minutes seems like they're reinforced i mean perjury is a big deal and when you're forcing someone to sign an affidavit that that's no joke do you think that this is just because of embarrassment mostly i mean the whole crew that happened in massachusetts where ron paul took so many delegates. yeah i mean ron paul has been working at delegate strategy from the beginning we've been covering a lot at reason dot com i would recommend the book even if you weren't a colleague but ron paul's revolution by brian doherty is a good place to catch up on how they have been working it in this campaign and what what the game plan is now in the important thing here is that there is a large force of ron paul people they are not officially married it's more of a common law arrangement with the republican party so you know that there their

needs have to be taken into account they talk about something serious they talk about a lot of things that are foundational to what america is what the united states of america is and they need to be taken seriously whether they will stay with the republican party is interesting and how they will behave now that you know spartacus himself is not on the battlefield it will also be interesting to see what do you think about rand paul's recent endorsement for romney. you know as ron paul always says we have discipline in our family but they don't they don't make the rules on who can do what it is neither an indicator for or against ron paul's own indorsement unclear how he's going to go don't know whether he's going to do it it's seems hard to believe he would indorse romney with the current platform that romney has and in fact with the entire history that romney has in

american politics and that's bad news for romney because you know when you look at the actual votes when you look at how many people actually came out to the polls in these primaries so far this year romney is drawing not too many more people than he did in two thousand and eight when he lost to john mccain who then went on to lose to barack obama so you know he needs everybody he can get i think it's it's also unnecessary and that's what's so sad about this message to such thing why alienate people who you might be able to get on to your side. look here really quickly from ron paul about the endorsement of romney let's roll that your son senator rand paul has endorsed romney i take it you're not ready yourself to endorse romney are you. ready you're not ready no way. so you sounded pretty pretty term in that he wasn't going for me to he wasn't going to endorse and i mean going back to his son

really quickly i know that you you said that it's you know more about the message that doesn't really deter the ron paul movement but you have to admit it does kind of and it kind of disappoint a lot of people who were hoping that rand paul would follow in his father's footsteps now that round ron paul is kind of out of the game. yeah in the history of rand paul himself which is fairly brief at this point he has been around for very long but you know the one thing you have to remember about both paul's is they they win elections and you know that's easier said than done the congress is a very sweaty small stakes game you're running every two years you don't you know there are four hundred thirty some of you and so it's a tough racket in a lot of ways being in the congress and yet ron paul managed to stay in the congress for several terms leave run for president lose that campaign obviously and then come back to the congress and serve for many more terms and which he and he's

now retiring and rand paul has won the senate which is obviously a far more coveted seat and so he's got to play the game as they all have to do and you do have to win elections and that's something you need to keep in mind when you think about if there is a paul dynasty i'm not a big believer in dynasties so i don't you know i'm not going to tell anybody to put their stakes on on any particular paul but you do after remember that it's smart to stay with the republicans it's a long tradition ronald reagan had his eleventh not that you'll have an amendment because eleventh commandment thou shall not speak well badly of another republican so that's that's what they're looking to do and they know it is not in that kind of a for a party to one that is not kind of double speak i mean here obviously the republican establishment is continuing to shout out ron paul's supporters over and over again i mean they're going to extremes time and they're going to they're sign an affidavit to to promise don't vote for romney but then you're saying that you know it's smart to kind of cater to this establishment that shut out the supporters.

haven't i haven't looked at in trade in a while but i don't know where romney is these days i don't think it's a smart move for the republicans to be doing that you know in addition to just being an ethical move and being something that you know indicates they're not really interested in new ideas and you know romney is certainly evidence that they're not interested in new ideas. so so what are what are ron paul supporters supposed to do at this point if the republican establishment continues to shut them out just continue to cater to the establishment well there was an interesting announcement by cafe press a couple days ago which does a little you know you can make your own t. shirts indicating that for the first time ron paul has dropped below the president himself in the number of t. shirts and branded items they want don't know where rand paul was showing up that gary johnson has been surging in the t. shirt market i don't know how how powerful a candidate gary johnson will be but he stands for many of the things ron paul

stands for doesn't stand for all of them and ron paul pointedly has not said many kind words about johnson so the that some other alternatives out there or they could decide we want to stay in the republican party and work to make change from within and you know we had a bunch of people elected in two thousand and ten rand paul included who may be moving in another direction maybe not with one hundred percent of the grocery list that we would like them to have but better than what we've had before it does seem like the g.o.p. as it stands right now is so far off base then ron paul's whole libertarian philosophy is a small government curbing back the military i mean here is romney talking about doubling the military twice that size potentially you know invading iran and all of these things i mean it does seem like there's a giant dichotomy there when you're talking about trying to influence the are in theory and the g.o.p. from within how possible is that really. not very i mean the two parties when they get into power they look very much alike and you you certainly see you see that

even now when they're vying for the party and they've just decided what the establishment story can be allowed to be but you know we are facing it wasn't just an accident and it certainly wasn't ron paul's magnetic charisma although he has an interesting kind of negative charisma you know he's so humble that he stands tall but you know it wasn't that that drove all these people to ron paul they to people didn't just out of the blue decide they were going to become obsessed with the federal reserve and with monetary policy and with ten percent inflation since two thousand and seven when nothing has been growing in our economy yet our money for some reason has lost ten percent of its value over that time these are serious things that are happening to real people who are buying groceries every day and living less well every day and they see ron paul saying something that's true about what what is happening to them on the ground in america. tim do you think that we're going to see other states take these measures that massachusetts has and

really try to use these tactics to shut out more delegates for the convention. yes you will see it happening again and again and especially since they mean there are states where ron paul couldn't credibly claim to have won so it's going to be tough in the romney has the numbers at this point he has the delegates but of course everybody wants to go into the convention you know conventions have completely been cut off from what they were supposed to be in their origins where you go there and everybody gets together and we all vote and decide who's going to and you know not part of the way but all those folks get together and decide who the candidates going to be now they've just been turned into the you know these like a pre game show at the olympics where you already know who the vice president's going to be it's all just a pageant and you know that's all that supposed to happen. i think america would be well served if both parties both major parties conventions. once again became places where there's a challenge where you know there's sexual fighting going on in that respect maybe

this is something to be optimistic about that the republicans or the republican institute you know establishment takes this threat so seriously it would be great if they had a contested election certainly great for us as journalists love a lot more interesting to cover. convention that hasn't been decided at the time it is it is very interesting the rules seem to be changing by the day thanks so much for coming on and sharing your perspective that was tim kavanah managing editor for reason dot com well all eyes have been on egypt since its revolution catapulted the arab spring movement there's been a bloody battle in the country ever since and a tight election muslim brotherhood candidate mohamed morsi was declared egypt's first freely elected president over the weekend artie's marine important looks at how the new leadership in egypt could mean a delicate diplomacy from washington. egypt's revolution began with tens of thousands into here square and it became a success shortly after washington sided with the anti-government opposition by

stepping down to respond to the egyptian people's hunger for change america's indorsement of change has paved the way for the muslim brotherhood one of the world's largest islamist movements to become egypt's strongest political force their candidate mohamed morsi just won the presidential race morsi has reportedly called for a constitution that is based on the koran and sharia law in the case of egypt we're taking a piece of the board that was one of our pieces this is what the you tube was one of the strongest american assets in the middle east and for many years we've removed that piece and brought in some people who i do not think will be friendly to us. in this video film last month and egyptian cleric rallies for the brotherhood's presidential candidate. and. can we. say that. ah.

that. the muslim brotherhood has many different factions many different elements they are a political organization but they also have ties to terrorism they're also directly intertwined with what's going on in syria according to the new york times cia officers secretly stationed in turkey are currently working with syria's muslim brotherhood to smuggle automatic rifles grenades and ammunition into the country it didn't work out enough to understand what. it would be. only it's not going to work out. his bike you know some of. the syrian opposition seen here waving al-qaeda flags has received public support from the terrorist network and created what some call a defacto alliance between america and its number one enemy.

critics saying america's campaign for regime change comes with the consequence of empowering more radical and extreme leaders in the arab world let's not forget that assad and his government is a secular government just as gadhafi is government was a secular government if you get rid of that and you create the power vacuum or another force that is as organized and as strong will take its place continued political instability in cairo has raised questions about the so-called success attributed to the arab spring governments in egypt and libya were toppled with a u.s. stamp of approval but with new regimes leaning towards extreme islam many believe america could eventually find itself in a circumstance it hardly ever wanted very important i r.t. new york. conflicting reports on the supreme court's ruling on arizona's controversial as b ten seventy immigrant law this is a split decision from scotus three provisions were struck down in their preemption of federal law but it seems the ruling is in the eye of the beholder. c.n.n.

reported that parts of the law were rejected of all fox news touted that the supreme court upheld part of the law line police to ask about immigration status and finally and this n.b.c. bragged that the high struck the high court struck down most of the arizona immigration law here's what was being debated here's what was struck down it would make it a state crime to be an undocumented immigrant allow police to conduct warrantless arrests and you would be criminalized if you were an undocumented immigrant trying to get work but the most controversial piece of legislation was upheld it was the show me your papers provision which allows police to question anyone suspected to be an undocumented immigrant and demand to see their papers this may seem controversial but other countries have much stricter legislation dealing with immigration so how does the u.s. compared to the rest of the world earlier i was joined by ben cohen at oeuvre the daily banter president of banter media group and i asked him about his thoughts about the recent ruling take a listen i think it is

a reflection of the kind of mood in the united states and how as a nation it deals with the issue of immigration that it's a complicated subject and there's many different competing interests as it is in the u.k. as well we have a whole host of our problems the kind of cultural conflicts so i think it again it's a confuse ruling that it was so you know immigration policy in the united states is generally confused as well so i guess it's a kind of reflection of the mood do you think it's on the wrong the right track with the ruling you think that this is a sign of progress or is it taking it back i think that particularly the stop and the stopping and stopping policy that was the obama administration has made it clear that they are coming down on the side of federal law. applying and so states don't have the right to violate somebody's civil rights there are lots of positive steps. i think the other rulings that allowed the. of

course in people's papers is very sketchy grounds that could be cause for some concern when i read a statement that obama made in response to the ruling he says a patchwork of state laws is not a solution to our broken immigration system it's part of the problem why is there such a constant schism between federal law and state law when you see in the e.u. it doesn't seem like there's that much it seems like everyone's kind of working together and there's not really these inner cities state divisions really with their policies i think in the u.k. there is there are some problems that we have a new conservative coalition government but it's. primarily a conservative government and david cameron came in on a platform of reducing immigration and increasing actually police powers to stop and search people so there is that conflict between. you know britain and europe so the i think there is a definite problem and i think obama is correct in saying that you know having

states decide their own immigration policy while they may you know on the face of it you know different states you can have different problems you know if your resume is on the border with mexico they're going to have more of a problem with immigration or more of a perceived form with immigration or somewhere in the midwest which doesn't boardroom on a foreign country. but then again the you have the conflict between now and civil rights and which what supersedes what and i think obama was correct in saying that it should be a national policy the foundation is civil rights i mean america after was a nation but with immigration so the whole argument is kind of it doesn't really as an immigrant as well myself i'm an immigrant myself reason that would you know it is the. i find it quite of a phony argument but i think it's there's a racial element to it as well i don't tend to get troubled when i come into the studies of what. i've seen the people with dogs seem kind of the more i

have a real problem the maybe well let's talk about france really quickly that's a nation where it's more about integration into france and the burka ban and you see a lot of stop and showing papers laws there and it doesn't seem like people are making that big of a deal out of that country where it's more about you need to assimilate into our culture here it seems like more people are you know you're you're american but you but we're a melting pot and we have a bunch of different cultures and a bunch of different races living here so what is really the big deal i mean if this is happening in european countries and it seems like it's ok what is the big deal here with the stop and show me your papers thing. well america again i think america has a history of i mean overseas they get into the country. generally speaking from a european perspective from someone who has lived outside of. most of my life outside of the united states i should find the race relations pretty good in america the relationship between different ethnic groups as opposed to someone like

france who is actually not very good i mean if you. are a joke and from you know you have been a pretty you call it a fraternity which is the you know that's the saying in france but the immigrants have a different saying which is it's about you know you got it's about here which means your papers if you see you've got to give your papers so you know i mean i know actually several french people black french people who left france because of stop and search policies and the fact that they were required to carry papers and were searched almost on a weekly basis and put in prison for not having their papers on them and i think americans are right to be up in arms about anything resembling that what about in germany and their turkish immigrant relations it's somewhat compare it as mexicans and in america do you think there's anything to learn from the e.u. and germany and relations to the turkish immigrants here in america with mexican immigrants that's an interesting question i mean germany you have to even if you're

born in germany it doesn't mean that you're considered german doesn't mean that you are technically german. born in germany or their parents are turkish that turkish the german citizens and that i think that would be definitely the wrong path for america to go down as a country that is achieved its success from immigration i think that would be the wrong thing to do you know bomb as. alarming it was up to a hundred things i hundred thousand young people who were for no fault of their own transported to america by their parents. allowing them to get a path to citizenship i think is a very positive move so i think germany would be the best. do to follow when it comes to immigration so you think that we're pretty much ahead of the european countries in terms of respecting civil liberties and respecting people's different nationalities and races i think in many ways you owe differently thank you so much for coming on for sharing your opinion was ben cohen editor for the daily banter

and president for banter media group well it's an issue that we've been covering at r.t. for a while now drones for many the thought of having robotic flying machines of all stripes and sizes over america's unsettling to say the least what exactly can these drones be used for spying no you can't personally use drones to watch your sexy neighbor undress there are still laws preventing tom's from peeping and if caught there will be no sympathy from the courts on that one as far as the government goes well we already know big brother is watching courts usually don't recognize privacy rights regarding anything that can be seen from a public vantage point secure blinds closed if you don't want the cop seen your pile of wheat delivery not yet so far the f.a.a. prohibits most commercial use for drones and delivery for compensation is not allowed but congress is asking the f.a.a. to reconsider its policy so don't write off pizza delivery drones in the near future quite yet to follow technically yes officers can follow vehicles without

warrants so using drones to do it instead may be the perfect way to a vague the recent ruling that requires a warrant to install a g.p.s. on someone's car the stoics futuristic scenario is here and around the corner from becoming a reality and inform yourself on what privacy rights you still have and remember the next time you think you see a u.f.o. don't worry it's just an unmanned drone watching you all the waiting game continues for wiki leaks founder julian assange he's been held up inside the ecuadorian embassy in london for six days now waiting to find out whether or not he'll be granted asylum artie's sarah firth is on the ground in london with an update. julian assange has just spent his six nights in the ecuadorian embassy here in london waiting for the all important decision his bid for silence in the country now he's a man he's described as being let down by his own country australia and having exhausted most of his legal options in the u.k.

and going battle against extradition to sweden where he faces questioning a first sexual assault allegations and of course the fifth has always been that if extradited to sweden it would be very easy to extradite him across to the u.s. a country that still carries the death penalty for some of the crimes that they think he's tim of chilean asuncion his supporters have always maintained that the case against him is politically motivated and i campaigned to silence not just asuncion self but also wiki leaks the revolutionary whistle blowing web site that has hugely embarrassed many western governments in the past now the spite having spent more than five hundred days detained without charge that hasn't stopped julian assange in that time he posted an instant this thing running on our you know in a previous show we'd seen him interviewing the president of ecuador and they seemed

to hit it off the president of ecuador telling julian assange welcome to the club of the persecuted now and what will be his eleventh and final interview airing tomorrow on on the sun to meet with the man that he despised as giants of the intellectual left renowned linguist and rebel thing can be and so we believe the street fighting novelist and military historian during that interview they discussed the new ways of revolutionary movements the scene taking place around the world in the past couple of years i didn't see it coming and i don't think most people saw it coming to your commission of very. inspired activities. all of the united states so the the arab spring has been very infectious and it's still going on in different ways in the interim city sooner or later there would have to be popular reaction to the. bitter class

were the. four for the past generation talking about the united states but the phenomena are basically world would you going to see his eleventh and final interview for his show on our. i tell you no less controversial and intriguing that we've come to expect from the man he founded wiki leaks he many say have revolution allies whistleblower and he once again has the entire eyes of the wells upon him in his own going struggle against extradition it was our two correspondents there for the latest on them joining us on the case go to our to dot com for updates now does it for now for more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash r.t. america and find out what our wonderful web teams working on these days go to our website dot com slash usa don't forget to leave us comments and concerns to find out what i'm doing when i'm not bring you today's top stories you can also follow.