a line from moscow our top stories another big withdrawal barclays bank as the embattled chief executive falls to chairman out the door over interest rate rigging millions of furious homeowners and businesses could have been overcharged just so barclays could keep its books looking healthy. but. denies clinging to the presidency and says he'd go if it brought peace to syria moscow is calling on the opposition to stick to the recent geneva proposals because it's of prime towns to bring stability. and tehran says new

western sanctions placed on iranian oil will cloud future nuclear negotiations this is the country launches long range missiles during military exercises which are capable of reaching american bases in the region and israel. up next for you the final installment of julian assange interview series this time the malaysian opposition leader talks about the fight for freedom in his country against a backdrop of high level corruption. i'm julian assange. it is true where she leaks we've exposed the world secrets these documents long united states government being attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemn us going after white people illegally shoot

five hundred days now i've being detained without charge but that hasn't stopped us . today where on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow. this week i speak to the leader of the malaysian opposition and what you've written as a rising internal rival to the former prime minister mahathir and when i was in prison for five years up to being smeared with sex allegations as a result of a popular campaign in two thousand and four his conviction was overturned and he was released from prison in two thousand and eight he was again targeted to sex crimes on the kitchen he won the case early this year. with malaysian elections looming and watching to win is now being charged with an authorised assembly you found convicted he'll be prevented from running i want to know how he survived and

what does he see as the future of asia on the way i do even him you are a student activist from the early days within malaysia and you were imprisoned as a young man then you can you tell me a little bit about what your big political progression is over this time i mean i was arrested for supporting. families in the north. demanding. treatment fair to superman for the government it was two years in detention without trial there was intern as you go to act but when my father became prime minister he came with a mission clearly said he farm and i was directed to that we had to see the discussions and i joined on this reform platform and came up very fast to become deputy prime minister ordered to be sent back for

six years imprisonment. under my heart here there are a number of people who came up to the position of being deputy prime minister and were cast out one by one. but your fall from grace was the most dramatic can you tell me what happened i was of course bet the assault that the first day i was. sent to the police custody i was send then. to solitary confinement in prison it was of course not a bed of roses was the stuff in issue that was not given even books to read but the international media and friends internationally deep voice out and i think finally they did concede in a lot books and they thought become slightly smarter being able to read the complete works of shakespeare for in the half times that's rare. all the classics

modest best you know of tolstoy you would read them in prison and it's interesting from the prism of prison walls you understand you appreciate better there's no interruption you merge yourself in the story line sometimes a bit depressing of course. you know having to look at the walls but you keep you know you become part and the player you are i have never. intend in life to appreciate that king lear or in the dialogue with there could delia you know and did you men that in solitary confinement were not when i was in prison and i read cancer ward this book by itself and it's in which is a very wonderful wonderful book but very very depressing. and very brutal but i felt well there's worse places i could be i could be in

a siberian cancer ward with cancer for instance. and what did you feel was this is of interest to me because i have a number of friends who have been imprisoned your view about how to handle the experience did you have a method how did you control the perception of the passage of time and things like this. stuff five and now you think you may sound easy but that particular time was really tough because of the you know my keeps with the small that the youngest was still in it can be gotten and they did it time i was arrested i could see i mean it was just the anguish and despair. but what gave you some strength the prison officers in guys were extremely friendly they were very scared there were cameras all around but you can send. sympathy

and support that keep you going good then there's some whisperings about what was happening there was stations outside. but otherwise i just kept myself just very busy or not all serious you know and i'm going to be very honest i spend longer not long hours but they said in the war should have been the battle singing the beatles or the canals annoy leslie. and why inside outside your wife is pushing forward a big campaign for for your release did you have any idea how big this movement was that she had created. not really but from the whispering. and receives from the guards or something let this go in there life was over some of the prison officers would tell me i can that there are

only ten miles of kuala lumpur and then we heard you know your wives and speeches and how many attend twenty thousand people so i thought there's something something you know real happening in kuala lumpur and i could of course sense that because the deal was arrested we have been for the first time the biggest ever really in the history of militia one hundred thousand people in that i'm an addict i felt greatly encouraged because of news from the prison guard. he would tell me where we were and many of them on the quiet became members of the party. and did you have a sense of being part of malaysian history of being part of something bigger than yourself when you heard about these protests outside the movement surrounding trying to get you out you last in the wisdom of the messes how are you how is it

that you can get one hundred thousand people without that sophistication without media access but still reflect based on the dictates of the conscience or the habits of the house how did you get out and then when you why were you released from prison what was the finding in this case what happened was they persuaded the federal court to suggest that well we do believe. that guilty but there was no evidence and therefore. his appeal is accepted so you come back into malaysia and. in the lead up to two thousand and eight an extraordinary year in malaysia in politics you try and get into you try and get elected to parliament but what happens during that year. will we when we work very hard we you know we don't have any access to the media and prying

media was good to support the ruling party. even today as leader of the opposition i don't have even one minute of time so i decided to. accept that you're. not a minute of time we could still win five states including quite a long haul we won then out of eleven three seat and saw. i believe we are all right for some sort of a military plane through the electoral process. but we worked very hard as you said in two thousand seventy thousand and we did work. harder among the ethnic minorities because we found that from one thousand nine hundred those and for there were big because the policies they thought does a better. struggle among the many leaders. supporting the same policies

and i said to the contrary we are reform party committed to a reform agenda some of the obsolete policies at least beast. has to cheat with the times i want to to look at this. change in southeast asian region so democracy movement in indonesia which was successful. breakaway of east timor i mean to me. what do you think was driving this was that the internet was a great. movement of people amongst the region but wired this this time you had to the asian economic crisis was that one of the drivers you can sense the tea taking place in the region because there's a improved or enhanced level of education. people are getting more sophisticated.

urban in the suburb and areas there is also new access to the alternative media the internet played a very significant brought people won freedom and you find this. notion in the last elections this is going to end but the glee among the young and professionals and intellectuals so melissa is part and parcel of this cheat and now with the arab spring is more i think. imminent then we can sense this stage coming when you look at people consider a democratic transition somewhat more free diet but in terms of the commitment towards a democratic transition was there any sort of a call or a military dictatorship cannot be expected to sustain for far too long

philippines is more reassuring although they're still having to grapple with the problem of and then it corruption but burma which is quite shocking that of t. i mean i wonder the voices of voices in even millicent government those days that have never had any hope of a military would be forming itself. but i have to acknowledge the. more positive changes taking place in terms of democratic transition access to media. free elections burma is where the head of belief today berman really i mean yes yes because because you have on television right and we know you are not limited in practice but it certainly is not democratic i mean it would be delicious to see you . as a democratic country but you find some sort of a. more positive more reassuring change towards democratic reforms what

do you see what you see is the security situation. this train prime minister has now agreed to station some three thousand u.s. marines in the north of hysteria. as a clearly as a sort of long term pushback against any possible chinese influence to what's going to happen to these countries in the middle. do you think that the countries should form a united security pact i'm not to support of this you go to the pacts but there should be a strong regional understanding. between this country's political economic cultural and that would be enough for sure you can deter any form of possible interference by outside forces be the west or china. because to go to the back billion for

our countries would lick quite enormous sums of money. you know we always be at the expense of education public health housing and poverty alleviation and i have that huge problem in my mind if we don't have some kind of security pact or or alliance of the south-east asian states won't it be the case that trying to pick off an alliance here another country. goes into bed with the united states and in that way. there's not a coherent sphere in southeast asia but rather there's sort of a chessboard with black squares and white squares and everyone on one side or the other we can avoid that not in a city behaving as you go to the bank best strong regional body they have clear understanding and the betterment there would include not to allow any of our countries to be a base for the superpowers and this was the average went before i mean the

philippines is a problem because they already head and they really had the us for a long time but the understanding was not to increase let's let's talk a little bit about prime minister niger and the ruling clique when i was in malaysia and in two thousand and nine and was very briefly detained by special bronstein i think it's only said after after attending an election. the people i was speaking to. were saying whatever you do mention this murder this is the murder of the mongolian beauty he was forty was blown up with c. four explosives and he was alleged to have been. the prime now our current prime minister's lover and my response to this was. well why not well because as soon as you do if we ever do this at

a rally the police turn up and they start arresting everyone which i thought was a great opportunity because whenever you want to have a lot of police somewhere you have a fucking you can press at your time and place of choosing to get them there but you can't can you describe this murder case and why is it still so sensitive in malaysia it should not be. brought it is up in the in parliament and of course the speaker or the members of the body but it's a very upset i did not intervene for that. was even complicit in the matter what we said was there were. questions and it's all number one why do you change it josh number two why was the no proper investigation number three well with the key people not caught as witnesses in the case i mean it

mediation and this case the murder of other than two year is related to me. corruption scandal involving the cheese opera comment of two submarines from france that the case now is in the police caught how is it can be hurt and open up in a paris court and we are completely silent about that in malaysia malaysia the testimony of a number of the witnesses in this case was secret for some reason yes secret and worse in two thousand and eight around the time of the election in malaysia you suffered a second accusation of sodomy bought by one of your aides was just as near complete. when all about this sodomy charge in every village these this video. about the so-called statement from the complainant but again as i see

it when you know dude underestimate the wisdom of the people you have to end by a cabinet then by a government source of every night in the national media abusing me and still i increase my majority but worse is to use this as a political ploy pump up judges you are the police and finally when the judiciary although finally girly and i was a quitter but never suggest that the judicial was independent right through the entity and allowed the position just to be most disgusting you when you use this facade democracy democratic elections judicial independence and you abuse the process i'm sorry everything sort of is strong in the scheme. i sometimes feel like speaking this way myself. so and well let's talk about. the future we have a good portrait of of malaysia now but let's talk about where malaysia is going

forward and where the region is going forward what is your plan for malaysia if your opposition coalition was to win government immediately we should mature as a democracy. we have largely a much better infrastructure and more educated workforce and millicent except a condescending manner that people are not prepared to. already to be exercised their freedom. which means an independent judiciary free media. and an economic policy that can promote growth market economy at the same time understand the abuses when we talk about now we discourse in the arab spring arab spring when the area clamoring for freedom before they we have occupy wall street.

the limitations the brittle. greet and the gap between the very rich and poor complicity of between the big business groups in politics these we need to avoid because you should learn but from the frustrations prostrations in the west in the west and your but experience too and the fact that they're not supposed to be killing you know you can sense the hypocrisy the paradox. in contradictions between this you know pronouncements and what was actually the missive sent that you made a media contribution not everybody agree this missive some game is over in a make spence but but i support that you know why because you understand what is reality politic what is this or call the ocracy of the notion of diplomacy there is

not based on truth or more ality or ethical standards but pure brute power and parochial or national interest so i think this need to change why can melissy after half a century bring this neal sense among middle east chinese indians or diet that look we are a big family we can move up together why can't it be done why is still ways it's so difficult that each country you know we have ninety billion ringgit net income from petroleum we're not like most of our neighbors having to import and having this you know what about what will it take for that to be done if it isn't which is an education non and it is a little union is a car is a conviction that message of purpose if you want to do something you must not be

caught up. and i mean in here it has to work in the of course polity is the art of compromise i'm not saying that you know you're like a political philosopher dictating issues and but there are certain ground groups that you have to accept and it docked you know i mean you attack the moment you say you are dead for democracy you become a west there's too much with him or you talk about market konami you become a you know. agent but you know these things i mean one of the. you have it now there woman are going to be with you you know is going to happen of the. but i think you know people you know the problem with authority and indeed and at times even leaders in the west including destroy islam or for this. and we against them this unilateral policy of that the states i mean the i don't. sense that the. ascribe to the idealists this

nation spirit or the american revolution or jeffersonian ideas or the habits of the heart the talk of you talked about they don't and that is our concern but we have to do it in a small way and this small country not to be sure to be a great nation on earth but then this formula what is it why is it so difficult to make a village. in relief. and the chinese. or indian is to work or feel that they're being respected and recognized as a citizen given the dignity as minister said i don't think it takes a lot it takes just conscience society and courage of conviction. and we're abraham thank you very much thank you. good luck so

that's that's that's very very and i think you have got lots of good material there . so actually just a matter of curiosity i interviewed the president of the newseum did you manage to meet with him when you were over there the new president you know i was on for unfortunately that time they were convening hosting the syrian opposition i had the so i. turned to syria so i just meant that i feel i do see and have the cabin and sixty m.b.'s there for it is dialogue mainly on this issue about in a democratic reform and you know they have a media draw because if the good too much to be. on some of the standing issues then you don't they'll be good to concerned about that all the stuff back to you is . what's happening in the us it is. right now i have this us grand jury which has been investigating me for eighteen months and it

appears we have filed a secret indictment which will use in trying to excite me tonight states at the same time. i have a case in the supreme court here in great britain which used to be the house of lords. and if you if i'm not successful then i'll be extradited to sweden imprisoned immediately without charge i have not been charged ever. in any country and then be goes with a sex trial or not maybe that will drop it but they refused to come over here to to interview me to ask questions we offered to do this by phone to go to swedish embassy here there if used to do this instead they demand to extradite me to ask questions without any charge. and this is the situation i being in now on the house arrest i have a electronic. medical file

a bug to report my wood cation so. so it's a big group but on the other hand i do have a platform you know it it does give me to a degree. a platform and this process comes out of the legislation in europe in response to nine eleven so this particular thing that i'm trapped under came about as a result of. european police departments and government saying we must have a way to quickly take terrorists from one european country to another european country now this same recording laws they use i think is yeah you must you know the rule of the game and joyous because the next week you'll be vindicated and we'll meet you all.

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