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well with. its technology innovation all these developments from around russia we've got the future covered. the top stories from r.t. at ten pm moscow time big withdrawals and britain's party's bank now three top executives have quit over the interest rate rigging scandal the entire banking industry including the bank of england has put on the watch. syria's president assad denies clinging to the leadership and says he'd go if it brought peace meantime fighting is raging nationwide with global effort struggling to end the violence. and iran says new western oil sanctions will cloud future nuclear negotiations this is the country launches long range missiles during military exercises but you capable of hitting israel and american bases in the middle east. i'm kevin i was here in moscow handing now to our studios in washington d.c. next for more inside in the headlines that mainstream media choose to overlook
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stick around if you will feel alone a show coming right up. welcome to the lower show we'll get the real headlines with none of the mersey coming live out of washington d.c. now tonight we're going to take a look at senator dianne feinstein's new calls for prosecutions against the nothing we haven't gotten used to by now but our guest forever tim is going to point out again why this is so dangerous to press freedom if you just let's say replace the word wiki leaks with the new york times then we've got a bit of a foreign policy mash up for a monday hangover from mexican elections what they're going to mean for our funding of the war against the cartels to drone strikes and yet it sanctions on iran and a bitter fight between afghanistan and pakistan are going to have all of that and
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more theater night including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media decided to miss. arias so there's a lot going on out of the news right now a lot here at home obviously is everybody continues to discuss the effects of the supreme court's big time rulings last week as well as big news abroad like elections abroad and of course a little fear mongering about iran. the supreme court's ruling as they did in the background yet republicans in congress get ready for another repeal vote the house she's planning to vote on repeal of health care law blow it up even the popular parts of the house will vote yet again next week to repeal health care and to the public and go to not to implement the law and the supreme court's health care ruling republican lawmakers try to repeal the law with iran flexing its military muscle again in the iranian military plans to test fire missiles iran's
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revolutionary guard getting set to test new missiles they claim they claim would hit american bases in the middle east the missiles will. target desert bases made to look like the air bases of some regional powers our neighbors to the south have elected a new president the political party that ruled mexico for seventy years is back you're looking at mexico's projected new president and recant and marks a return to power of that party for the first time since the year two thousand and four eliminate a recount actually shows him leading with nearly forty percent forty five married to a soap opera star he's a former governor with a solid record of tax reform and successful public works. now i have to admit i'm actually pretty surprised of the coverage they've been giving the mexican elections i was in here last week as you all know but on friday christine pointed out the lack of coverage of the upcoming election and then suddenly you wake up it's monday morning and poof they're all about it now it's nice that they finally care about something else that's going on in the world other than what new political ads obama
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and the romney campaign or the super pacs are putting out there but there's something else that's going on right here at home in san diego california this week that they completely passed on starting today july second and until july tenth more than six hundred representatives from eleven countries will be meeting to discuss the transpacific partnership agreement now those countries include the u.s. australia chile malaysia new zealand peru singapore vietnam mexico and canada and the thing is this is the biggest trade agreement in u.s. history now as we told you before it's for the most part being discussed in complete secrecy we've seen a few leaks here and there including a few of a leak excuse me a few weeks ago and those that studied those documents concluded overall that the agreement gives multinational corporations a lot more power now it's led groups like the a.f.l. c.i.a.o. to oppose it they say that it's going to lead to more outsourcing of jobs continue to roshan's of workers rights and buy american provisions and the undermining of
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u.s. environmental and consumer safety protections now i guess you could say. that expected position for a labor union and take but the point is if it's going to be the largest trade agreement in u.s. history then we better damn well have a debate about it some semblance of a public discussion thing is that's not happening even ron wyden he's the chairman of the trade committee in the senate and he said that the administration will not let him see a draft of the twenty six chapter a treaty so that's why there's been petitions signed to get the administration to be more open that's why a letter was signed by one hundred thirty members of congress last week asking for more transparency that's why there is going to approach there are going to be protests in san diego all this week outside of the negotiations now we'll go into more depth about it tomorrow but this is something that concerns us all it is something that the media should be covering and it's not easy to do considering the lack of information i'll give that but we all know the media has the power to put
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the pressure on and yet they're choosing not to do so just another thing that they choose to miss. now there was a time when it seemed like everybody was talking about chilliness on. foreign terrorist organization these are very geisha terrorist activity there are doing is using integrating terrorist groups or using your generation gets diverted. information warfare is warfare. and julian assange is engaged in war for information terrorism which leads to people getting killed is terrorism and julian assange is engaged in terrorism i think the man is a terrorist. it was done in the so yeah it was going it is enormous damage to our country and i think he needs to be prosecuted to the full fullest extent of
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the law and if that becomes a problem need to change the law or in leaking the materialist deplorable i agree with the pentagon's assessment that the people at wilkie leaks could have blood on their hands it sure looks to me on the facts mr is that we kill each of our looted america's espionage with great. negative consequences for us. now if we think of the anger in washington has died down the wiki leaks in a sanjeev been long forgotten and thank you get so there was some ridiculing and mocking a songe over his decision to seek political asylum from ecuador for fear of ultimately being extradited to the u.s. but then we got another confirmation from d.o.j. spokesman dean boyd at there does continue to be an investigation here in the u.s. and now senator dianne feinstein who's been leading the charge in going after the white house for leaks now she's back on the wiki leaks attack as well she wrote a letter to the sydney morning herald say i believe mr assad has knowingly obtained
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an disseminated classified information which could cause injury to the united states has cause serious harm to u.s. national security and he should be prosecuted accordingly now cordingley means using the espionage act so with her renewed calls let's review the scutcheon on why this is a big deal joining me to discuss it is trevor tim activists at the electronic frontier foundation trevor thanks for joining us tonight and i guess first i want to start with you know a point the you put out there you wrote about it you tweeted about it you said that basically there's no sense in which feinstein's denunciation applies to wiki leaks but not the new york times so can you elaborate on that. yeah absolutely if you take the quote that she sent the australian and just substitute the name new york times for mr songe it all fits she said that it was illegal for him to obtain and disseminate classified information that could potentially injure the united states and that's exactly what the new york times did as well and that's why this is this
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grand jury so concerning and should be so concerning for mainstream press organizations and not just wiki leaks because it was ever convicted under the espionage act statutes that means that all other papers who publish classified information all the time don't forget the new york times the washington post the wall street journal and all those in between they would also be liable under this law and we know for a fact they publish information that's classified pretty much every week a lot of it is top secret which is higher than any classification wiki leaks has ever published so they have as much or even more to worry about with this investigation than join astonished us now considering all that i ask this question all the time and i still don't get it considering how that why do we still see this kind of mocking attitude towards assigned is you know concern about being extradited to the united states and this lack. of caring or concern from press organizations. yeah it's very strange and unexplicable inexplicable to me because
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of the consequences of all for them i mean you can't really separate what they do from what you're going to see those when you get down to the legal intricacies and it's just as simple as that they publish classified information and he publishes classified information now they've had a cop contentious relationship with them and they've claimed use hard to get along with but that's not you know personal differences shouldn't get in the way of important legal precedent and making sure to protect the freedom of the press now the thing here too we have to point out is you know if we're pointing at the new york times and saying that will hey they do it too we're not trying to say that they should be doing it all that the press shouldn't be publishing this kind of information or that wiki leaks and the publishing this kind of information it's that the ability to publish information in general is what's at stake but so then the funny thing or maybe the disturbing thing is that feinstein is one of the people that's really leading the charge both going against the white house right for this leak investigation that's going on now she's renewing these calls to
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prosecute. she's a democrat so this show how much of a bipartisan affair really is. yeah it's really amazing you know we have a broken secrecy system in this country to the point where you know in two thousand and ten seventy seven million documents were classified which was over a forty percent increase in the year before and we just found out last week actually the government last year spent over a billion dollars more than they did you're before on classifying secrets virtually everything in foreign affairs or national security is considered classified and the government leaks information all the time whether it's low level leakers high level leakers and everyone in between it's always been the case for decades and decades that the government leaks information both for births own benefit and sometimes information that gets leaked that you know uncovers crimes or corruption and this is a pillar of american press freedom and it's why the american people know so much about their government even though everything is classified and instead of you know
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reverting to more secrecy like dianne feinstein has done when when these revelations come out whether it's wiki leaks or the new york times kill list story or the cyber attack story they should be concentrating on making less secrets and you know declassifying some of this information so the american public could find out about it in a uniform way instead of you know reverting back to this this you know absurd notion that everything should be secret and nobody should know anything while looking away and feinstein joe lieberman mitch mcconnell and john mccain lindsey graham all those clips that we just showed you the thing that's always you know coming out of the mouths of these politicians is that we can fix has done damage to national security now last week we finally got you know what some people called a little bit of a win for bradley manning's defense in the sense that the judge said that the f.b.i. the cia the state department working as ations are going to have to hand over these assessment reports to actually say if there was any damage done so let's say that we finally get to see what's in these assessment reports let's say that they show
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as what a lot of officials out there have said that there was no damage to national security by these politicians going to apologize they're going to swallow their words we're going to what are they going to say at that point. well of course not because you know that's their go to statement whenever any of these leaks come out they said that wiki leaks would have blood on its hands and yet there's never been a single case they can point to where somebody is killed they said the same thing about the new york times in two thousand and four george bush told the new york times publisher literally you will have blood on your hands if you release information about our n.s.a. warrantless wiretapping program and you know that just led to congressional investigations and pulitzer prizes again nobody was hurt it's something that american the american public should know about and there's constitutional violations going on. and you know for dianne feinstein or anybody to you know exaggerate national security threats to threaten the press is really disconcerting in just for an example of how you know they're always doing this the new york times
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editor in chief actually said a couple weeks ago in response to complaints to her paper that they were damaging national security she said the leak has never damaged national security in decades and decades and again they are published pretty much every week with very you know with with extreme regularity because the government keeps so much information secret good point to make right i want to ask you to about something they found out which is the army admitted that they have been investigating the bradley manning support network there's a lot of people that come on our show that are all members of this bradley right manning support network but that's kind of that's that's all they said about it they did they just said yes we've been investigating that but nothing more so what's your take on that. well again it's very troubling any time civilian or non government employees investigated under espionage act charges for what is essentially disseminating information in the public interest again nobody in this country has ever been charged under the espionage act statute for something like
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this no newspaper ever has and no private citizen and whether it's the new york times with extra bradley manning supporters it just shouldn't be the case because not only is it against the first amendment but it goes against pretty much you know decades and decades worth of case law and yet you know once again i mean there it's not even that those that are part that are members of the bradley manning support network would be tried under the espionage act but it's the fact that you can be targeted you can be investigated the government will be watching you based on maybe your political associations you know or groups that you're a part of as we've seen a lot of times of these people when they try to cross the border to with you know jake a bad apple bomb or david house as the example is trevor thanks so much for joining us tonight ice fragment. i guys it's time to take our first break of the evening but when we come back christopher swift will be on our monday hangover panel talking this weekend's big foreign policy story.
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thanks. well the tough economy and the stagnant rate of growth in the u.s. has meant that fewer americans are spending big bucks on travel and tourism around the country so what are top officials doing well they're dumping money and resources into trying to get people from outside of the country to come spend their money here and there making it easier for people in countries like brazil china and
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india to obtain travel visas and they've even launched an advertising campaign called brand usa to try to market the u.s. abroad r.t. correspondent has more. america's economy was once like the strongest and fastest roller coaster everyone wanted to ride. but nearly four years following wall street's financial freefall more than fifteen million u.s. citizens lack full time jobs. and employment problem the u.s. president hopes visitors from other countries can help fix more money spent by more tourists means more businesses can hire more workers washington has launched a marketing campaign promoting brand usa all over the world. with a heavy focus on travelers from brazil china and india visitors from all three emerging economies contributed a reported fifteen billion dollars to the u.s.
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in two thousand and ten part of what's going on in the united states is americans don't have any money anymore and they can't afford to go on vacation and part of what you're seeing is them looking to replace the weak pushed out american middle class with folks from other parts of world where the economy is going better and wages are growing in an effort to lure the big spenders the white house has made it easier and quicker for more chinese and brazilian citizens to obtain tourist visas before brand usa came brand big apple new york city america's top tourist destination attracted more than fifty million visitors last year now while the weak u.s. dollar has been a burden for the buying power of u.s. citizens customers armed with a stronger currency business booming and prices from dropping the international visitor are they're great shoppers and they spend a tremendous amount of money there brazilians spend a tremendous amount of money many europeans the chinese spend a lot of money george is the c.e.o. of n.y.c. and company an organization that markets the big apple around the globe he also
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serves as marketing vice chairman for brand usa every eighty five visitors foreign visitors it comes to the united states you. creates one job and because we have so many different visitors you know we have over ten million international visitors in two thousand and eleven and now we have well over three hundred twenty five thousand jobs in the hospitality and travel and tourism industry so it's a huge boon to the economy but some argue quantity may not equate to quality it does tend to create a fairly low paid service industry jobs that doesn't tend to create great jobs having people in the business of manufacturing or high end services no medical services business services tends to create much higher quality or paid jobs than tourism which tends to create a law jobs for people cleaning hotel rooms and serving meals i decade ago the idea of an american president betting on tourists from brazil china and india for jobs would have raised many eyebrows. today however two hundred million dollars is being
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spent to brand usa abroad while social services continue being cut at home. r.t. new york. if you want to go. well it's only monday but as usual there is plenty to talk about what's today will focus more on foreign policy and of course a little bit of the drug war as a joke claims the victory in the mexican elections and marks a return for the p.r.i. what does that mean for all the money that we've been filing towards calderon's war with the cartels then new sanctions on iranian oil of taking effect and the population and the economy are already hurting and afghanistan is playing tough with pakistan and threatening to report them to the u.n. security council saltash all of that out here to discuss it with me is christopher swift fellow at the university of virginia law school center for national security
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law because our thanks so much for joining us tonight good to be ok disregard everything i just said with all those dogs that we'll get to them but first you just got back from yemen and so i want to talk about that because you know from what you've written about it from what you said it's basically it's quite the opposite from what i've heard from a lot of people from what i've seen reported you know by a lot of other journalists out there in the sense that you make the argument that our drone strike policy is not the number one thing that's fueling the rise of al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula so tell us more about that right there's been an argument. articulated in the u.s. press in other places that u.s. drone strikes are the proximate cause they are the driving cause of al qaeda is recruitment in the last three or so years has gone from about three hundred people when you have been to about a thousand people and so i went to yemen to take a look at the insurgency to look at how al qaeda interfaces with the indigenous population how it you know interacts with the tribes to see how this version of al-qaeda is different from the versions we've seen in afghanistan and iraq and one
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of the things that surprised me when i was there was that none of the people i interviewed and this was predominately a tribal cohort predominately a rural cohort overwhelmingly conservative overwhelmingly practicing muslims none of the people from out of the province. is that i interviewed said that al qaida is recruiting because of the drums they said al qaeda is recruiting because of local economic factors low calorie counts in certain districts people being on able to water their crops or feed their children and so these economic factors seem to be the thing that's pushing people into the insurgency because they can show up and they can do things like provide salaries between two hundred four hundred dollars a month in a sixty dollars a month economy that's transformative for a family so one of the conclusions i came back with was yes the drone strikes are problematic from a legal and moral perspective and we need to consider that in terms of our own policy in the united states yes the drone strikes sort of implicate yemeni pride in yemen is that humans are generally opposed to them but there's a much more nuanced and complex set of circumstances happening on the ground that
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are driving the insurgency so this causative relationship we've created in our own minds between us drone strikes on the one hand and al qaida recruitment on the other really breaks down as you start to get out of that it's fair to say that it doesn't exist this is not so cut and dry right it's not so black and white and i'm wondering if you can relate this to i mean kind of there's this robin hood mentality that we see in many places right if you want to talk about yemen as an example where the economy really is breaking down that often it is these more insurgent groups that come in and try and offer offer solutions for the local populations but part of the reason why that's happening too is because maybe their government isn't doing everything that it can for the vehicle right and so there is a lot of anger and you have many for example it was. regime now it's the new president and working very closely with other countries working with us when it comes to counterterrorism policy maybe focusing more on that than one on what's going on at home you know there's a there's a particular there's two phases we need to think about when we think about how al qaeda interfaces with the indigenous population in yemen there's the inducement
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phase and then there's the indoctrination face right and the inducement in yemen is run through what i call the networks of mutual dependency for teenagers that are i don't have sort of low levels of education. they're induced with you know cars and rifles and a cot russian and a monthly salary for heads of family there induced with the ability basically to provide with their family for their family given the salaries they're paid for we can marginalize shakes what's going on as al qaeda will come in and provide the muscle that allows the shaykh to assume their their stature and status and role in yemeni society because there's been such a breakdown in the economy in yemen because prior to the arab spring and then throughout the arab spring there was a breakdown of the regime and breakdown of the structure of governance has been able to come in and create these networks these webs of mutual dependency and sort of take root the indoctrination the global jihad dimension america is the cause of everything that's wrong in your life the drone strikes are the reason why everything you know example of america's imperialism all of that indoctrination
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happens after people have already been induced into the organization and then separated from the traditional tribal belt survives all that much all that much more reason i guess you could say right i want to i want to switch actually because if you're going to a whole lot of time and so you know going from that let's talk about afghanistan and pakistan and what's going on there because you have afghanistan saying that there's been a lot of shelling in recent weeks in the corner province coming from pakistan and they're saying that they want to take pakistan to the u.n. security council over it because thousands of local civilians have had to place displaced overburden is there anything that we should really. you know think about that or is it kind of the typical finger pointing bad they always blame each other and on our there's a fair amount of finger pointing going on look the recent incidents have involved alleged incursions by afghan security forces into pakistani territory and alleged or actually you know proven shelling by pakistani security forces on targets in afghan territory right so you have people moving back and forth across the durans
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line this is not a well to mark a deadline that i've been out in the territory it's very mountainous it's very remote it's very hard to know what side of the line you're on at any given time you've got g.p.s. so there's a lot of ambiguity there geographically and look you have a government in pakistan that is dysfunctional you have a military regime that's part of the government that is functional highly functional but only controls certain aspects of the state and then you have the situation in afghanistan we have a weak regime that's looking at a lot of its international support starting to withdraw with nato phasing out by two thousand and fourteen and tensions are running high and the afghan government has a big interest in making it look like pakistan is the source of their domestic problems in the pakistani government has a big interest in making it look like afghanistan and afghanistan's inability to govern its own territory is that is the source of their border problems and this is what's going on in the referral to the u.n. security council that wants the u.s. actually withdraw as well as the u.s. draws down as opposed to withdraws with a draw that draw that particular distinction because there's still going to be
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a light footprint counterterrorism approach there but yeah that's going to pick up that's going to pick up on what you're going to see also if you're going to see you know i've been talking with people from central asia over the space of the last six months and you're in a sea of people and. until she can stand in kyrgyzstan and other countries in the region sort of become more concerned with their border security because the united states won't have the same size of presence there because nato won't be in effect underwriting their security for them in the region are taking a border security. and i thank you a very good idea just want to touch upon the elections in mexico or what's going. there and how do you think that will affect. this war against the cartels really that calderon started to wage but that we have been assisting that we have been funding in many respects and will and will he change that will he just double down on it it will affect us at the end of the day you know it's hard for me to know because i don't follow mexican politics i mean that's just not it's not my bailiwick what i can tell you is that the new president mexico has
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a number of structural challenges one of them is the fact that his party's been in the wilderness for the last twelve years so he's got to show that his party can govern have a good institutional history of that the question is can they do it you know transparently into the rule of law in the past the pretty wasn't so great that it seems that the new prius much better than the old these things remain to be seen in terms of the criminalized insurgency in the border region look the there are parts of mexico now that are in effect on government or ungovernable because of the security situation is just absolutely horrifying video of beheadings involving at inter interviewing warfare just from just from a week or so ago journalists in the border region are being targeted and killed it's hard to see how anybody working within one government or another government can do that the united states and mexico are going to have to collaborate the question is how efficacious is that collaboration and are we doing the right things are of course all thank you for joining us tonight and we'll have to have you come back to you i want to have you come on with you know the jeremy scahill another one
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of our guests that have been to yemen so we can really hear you guys battle it out over the two perspectives and the people that have been there on the ground thanks so much. our guys it's time for our second break of the evening when we come back congress is in recess but it's not as fun and games for them then while most opponents of law enforcement are drones have focused on privacy issues we're going to tell you about a serious problem with them it could lead law enforcement officials scrambling. the are. the world.
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