tv [untitled] July 9, 2012 12:30pm-1:00pm EDT
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mission to teach me. why you should care. of. the victims of a devastating flash flood in the present region which has killed over one hundred seventy. thirty five thousand. international. america for its role in the civil war. protests rage across pakistan. and even. the reopening of nato supply routes to afghanistan. fifteen minutes from now in the meantime we talked to
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a former national security agency executive in the u.s. who sacrificed his career to blow the whistle on wrongdoings inside the say our in-depth interview next. my guest today is thomas andrews drake he was a senior executive of america's biggest intelligence agency at the beginning of the two thousands he was an expert on electronic eavesdropping someone with a top secret security clearance then mr drake essentially sekret feist his career to blow the whistle on his agency's wrongdoings as he saw them he was charged under the espionage act but only last year the charges were dropped this drake thank you very much for coming thanks for having me tell me about the program that you challenge the working with the national security agency the surveillance program what was its potential harm as you saw it there was the very large flagship program
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called trailblazer that was designed to catapult n.s.a. into the twenty first century to deal with the vast amounts of data being generated from the digital age given the massive fraud and abuse that any of it and i said had created with the trial as a program as well as a super secret surveillance program they completely violated the constitution and the fourth amendment and in particular in particular the statute called the foreign intelligence surveillance act which was the first command at n.s.a. you did not violate americans privacy without a warrant under that statute in fact if you did there were criminal penalties for doing so and i found this out to to my horror and and shock shortly after nine eleven. the n.s.a. had entered into a secret agreement with the white house in which n.s.a. would become the executive agent for this sort of secret surveillance program on the front end was designed to deal with the threat of the terrorist threat and that
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was for understandable but what it did is that actually essentially turn the united states into a collection platform so you know vast reams of data are increasingly being collected or through other entities be made available to n.s.a. for analysis there's a lot of debate about this proposed legislation i'm sure you heard about it the system in the name of national security would allow web service providers to funnel private information of their users to the authorities to government agencies aren't they already doing that i mean many argue that providers you know google facebook and other companies they they need legislation to protect themselves from being liable for what they're already doing and that's why those companies who lobby for the bill well that's i believe that's part of it the other part of it is the government just wants even more access to even more data and so i mean under the patriot act and section two fifteen there is
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a secret executive interpretation of that which essentially grants the government pretty much unfettered access to subscriber information that's held by those companies. since that would take out and there's other variants of that would take that to the next level you know under under the label or the rubric of you know cyber threats and to provide sort of cyber security the government wants even more invasive access almost persistent access to networks that are not normally available to the public i understand the technology is so advanced now that it is probably so very tempting for intelligence agencies to siphon all that data but what is the goal is it total thirty and i believe if you take what has been happening since in kind of our post nine. eleven security world what you're seeing is the establishment of a sort of surveillance society years your senior stablish of a surveillance network and i keeps telling people realize the extent to which we're
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already surveilled in many many different ways the extent to which vast amounts of our own transactional data in all forms all i try forms and e-mails and your tweets and bank records everything else are all subject for or sauce suspect ok in terms of terms of surveillance it raises the specter of kind of the rise of soft tyranny it raises the specter of you're automatically suspicious until you prove that you're not it raises the specter of a universal quality universal wiretap a persistent universal wiretap on every single person or if it not they can create one because what happens if they don't like you what happens you speak ill will against a government what happens if you say something they consider disloyal i mean that's not the country that i took an oath to defend four times in my government career and you also have the fear element fear in itself is control and what people will
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do when they're fearful is they were they will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and i say. it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because look what we did to mr drake nash security has effectively become the state religion you don't question it and if you question it then your loyalty is questioned i want to ask you about julian assange he's we can make cables expose the u.s. complicity in torture and other crimes how angry you think washington is that julian assange which i think they're extremely angry at the fact that there's apparently based on press reporting you know there's a secret grand jury there maybe even a secret indictment they want to get him and they want to put him away i mean there are those in this country very high levels to call for the death penalty. and
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sweden does not promise a they can't make a guarantee that if they did bring him back to sweep for questioning he would be extradited to the united states and believe me if the united states got its hands on him they're going to do everything they could to put him away as long as they can or worse this is a very long reach and far as is similar to what i went through i mean they it was a multi-year multi-million dollar criminal and nasty investigation that i got caught up inside of and they spent several years several years in my own particular case trying to figure out how to bring an indictment against me speaking truth to power is very dangerous in today's world the power elites. those in charge they don't like dirty linen being aired they don't like the skeletons in the closet being seen. and they not only do they object to it they decide to turn it into criminal activity remember my will so baloney was criminalized by
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my own government. i know i had no protection although ostensibly they couldn't reprise against me retaliate they did but i also find striking is that there is there's basically a smear campaign against journalists who for example a report on civilian deaths in u.s. drone strikes i read a number of articles where u.s. administration officials basically accuse them of helping terrorists and that label terrorist helper it seems that it's becoming a convenient tool to brush off investigative journalism isn't it what it is you go after the messenger and because the last you want to do is deal with the message you're talking about all the activities the secret surveillance the warrantless wiretapping torture rendition drone strikes and a whole host of other measures that i would assert are extra constitutional not to do they violate our own law also violate a number of international laws go after the messenger not the message because see the bridge to actually discuss the message or to address the message becomes very
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uncomfortable. so essentially what's happened is that law which and we're a nation of laws the if we start to depart which you already have in a very significant moving away from that from being a nation of laws and simply leave it up the policy to substitute we're going down a very slippery slope and in the united states of america everybody's reporting on this fooling by race that the u.s. and its well allegedly developed to spy on iran and then there is the actual cyber weapon the stuxnet which created havoc in iran's nuclear facilities we hear u.s. officials condemn cyber attacks all the time but it turns out that the u.s. government itself is involved in cyber attacks how do you see it well based on what can only be authorized leaks which is an oxymoron coming from within the administration other senior officials they want people to know right believe that's the case i think that somebody is has not been reported actually wanted people to know i think some people say oh it's just war makes makes the administration look
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good you know sort of you know sowing their oats and say hey we're we're the man here they want people to know they want to know what the united states is capable of doing it is a it is another form of warfare it is a you know it is a cyber weapon but it's a pandora's box because we're now in kind of uncharted territory as it's virtual war to say it that way it's a virtual conflict i mean the pentagon itself has been on record that if a nation conducts what is allegedly being conducted by this country against other countries using things like stuxnet that's an act of war but apparently it were doing it's not considered in its information operations or cyber operations so it goes it goes under a whole host of other labels to make it something different from what it really is . so where were the lines drawn i want to go back to you becoming a whistleblower you had a well paid job at a couple's ishani america's biggest intelligence agency you turned it all down you
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went to work to an apple store i wonder how do you decide to go for something like that you can't put a price on freedom and i took an oath i mean my oath was to the constitution that took primacy over everything else so what do you do you're faced realizing you're a whore that your own government is an abject violation of the very oath that you took the very constitution that you took an oath to defend support defend against all enemies foreign domestic faithfully executing that law and you're finding out in secret that your own government is in violation of it and then you know that was never necessary you knew that the best of american inventiveness and ingenuity could of not only provide superior intelligence like the thin thread program but would have done so in complete compliance with the fourth amendment and they tossed it overboard because they didn't want those controls they didn't want that oversight most people don't stand up to power because power wields
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a lot of power and power can do you in or make life very difficult but i wasn't just standing up for myself i was standing up for you know the generations that follow me thank you thanks for having me. there are those who desperately need it to survive. misspoken has a ton of money to look out. for goldman the fish. and the suppresses the prize the rights of the food for. new clothes and. those who don't get their share of the change. by downloading god's. place and you know and don't
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look at the. market. scandal. find out what's really happening to the global economy in cars a report on our. top stories this hour on our team russia and some victims of a devastating flash flood in the region which is killed over one hundred seventy and affected almost thirty five thousand becoming the area's worst natural disaster . international envoy kofi annan sells peace to the syrian leadership masculist announces america for its role in the civil war. protests rage across pakistan with demonstrators marching chanting and taking huge convoys against the reopening of nato supply routes to get. to bring you up to date for the moment i'll be back with all those news stories in full for you in about fifteen minutes from now dimitri's next with the sports.
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hello welcome to the sports update to an article to the company again because in this. trial chelsea and england john terry appears in court charged with racially abusing a fellow player. golden boy roger federer shocked like the new world number one equally pete sampras is a record of seven wimbledon titles. and sand and deliver world champions russia book a place at next year's. world cup. but first football where chelsea and england defender john terry has appeared in court charged with the pressure to abusing fellow player prosecutors claim the chelsea captain admits using offensive language as quote
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a casting exclamation and quote while they also say tara was goaded by q.p.r. defend and ferdinand the two came face to face in court as terry denies the racism charge the thirty one year old could become the first english premier league player to be convicted of racial abuse during a game and he could be fined up to four hundred thousand dollars. also an english football new liverpool manager brendan rodgers says he plans to restore the club's former glory the thirty nine year old took up the red hot seat moving from swansea last month and he's already aiming high next season. probably school the twenty five blues the one who can be strong in every single competition. the reality is we want to ensure that we we can improve on this. relative the last three seasons the club is finished through six seven eight so we want to improve on that and build
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a movement. you're a player for liverpool football club the intention is to one. and then we turn the british olympic football team have got together for their first training session ahead of the games which starts in just under three weeks' time when seen at a veteran well kept on the side while manager reckons they have at least two teams to fear in the tournament. and spine will play the two favorites for this competition looking for the brazil squad you can see the magnitude of the players and how seriously they take the olympics is sixteen for him to try and achieve gold . base it will be a fantastic for any force and it will lead us noisily into the tournament not think it will showcase to everyone in the tournament the standard of football in. tennis now after winning his seventh one world and title roger federer intends to claim
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gold at the upcoming olympics phèdre becomes the new world number one today after beating ended laurie in four sets in the men's final source said down typical example record several rounds to bring federer's grand slam tally up to and seventeen. hasn't waned after a brief family holiday he says he returned to the all england determined to capture gold something that so far led him during the last four years i i will say if you say your more i find it hard to believe to really take in what happened today normally when i win wimbledon it's incredible it's magnificent it's emotional but this time i've got the feeling that it's even bigger than that so many little pieces have come together this one i have to take a little time to understand i'm happy now that i'm going on holiday with my family so i could be with mark and the children and afterwards i'll come back to practice
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for the olympic games with a lot of desire confidence and of course the desire to play again it's truly magic every time i play in a final of a grand slam here at wimbledon it's really quite incredible. so mary had to fight back but it is still hard for his first major title after losing all four of the grand slam final he's appeared in but he senses he's still improving and was happy with his performance. a lot of good points or so. you know. pretty good decisions for the more sports or. comfortable. before the. proof of. meanwhile russia is also wondering when her first grand slam title will arrive she lost makes doubles final
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wimbledon by brian and lisa raymond deciding against heartland the pair have also fallen the last hurdle opened in genoa. over to formula one nowhere red bull driver mark webber has described his dramatic british grand prix victory as special theories fernando alonso had started how and for most of the race at this point it was overtaken by webber with just let's go through an adventure like bossing the finish line with seconds to spare victory seized up to get along to the top of the driver's championship to just thirteen point. two one so far this season after nine races. running walked up and sebastian vettel. nother ferrari man phillip was just behind him what's by the said terminations led him to victory i. never gave up keep pushing. and
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didn't really work at. the end which you know as you are very close to him so we'll be capitalizing very special big three for the team just down the road a local team and guys i got a bill for them. and also if i ran i would get another victory here in the u.k. so it was also a thrilling race in moto g.p. as reigning world champion crashed out on the last lap of the german grand prix clearing the way for us from the team a denny to claim his first victory of the season for the rain so it was granted second place and this and it moves into the outright late in the overall standings he's fourteen points to draw to stoner dropping to six point for the back of his order from me to the complete to the podium on the day i was the going to be for the last lap when. i had the braking so i was confident for the last lap but
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anyway you know when i was sure i was pushing my best in and finally get there when the. moscow has hosted the european qualifier for the twenty thirteen b. soccer world cup there was mixed news for the current russian. russia for current title holders russia who managed to book their place in the finals but failed to win the home of event with more his robert was in an. with the euro twenty twelve still a painful memory for russian football fans here is il really the country's biggest soccer nation will team a current world cup holders and concert favorites at any event the european selection for the twenty thirteen world cup was held in the russian capital with only the top four out of twenty four teams prudish to represent the continent in tight in next year. russia fulfilled their task with confidence and made it to the final to take on spain however it was also important for the home side to win the
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event in front of the home crowd with spain feeling no pressure facing the world number one team it was the visitors who opened the scoring four minutes in skipper i mean i'm really needing to make it one nil. over the russians who are quick to turn things upside down two goals by you and putting the hosts ahead by the first intermission to one but it was far from decided in the second leg for beth with three goals in a row each one better than the next. you get a chance keep guest in one more goal for russia to show the hosts would not give it up that easy although it was spain who proved to be the strongest side on the day claiming victory with a final score of five three i think they are the best in the world. with. some of my friends. i love i love them i like the way that they play style the press
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the power of winds of their game. play i can do something for us and with evasion play against them obviously we will play against them always but if we felt some extra pressure playing in front of our fans maybe that's why we felt to show our best game of anybody we're not trying to find any excuses the reason it was always packed out many thanks to our supporters who would like to apologize to our fans and welcome them to tahiti or the world cup finals. it was just a selection with no titles a stake and the main thing is how we have qualified for the world cup finals and you know what those are when qualifiers never succeed at the main events this is a soccer has it. oil one russian international. probably claim the victory of his life after proposing marriage to his girlfriend and hearing yes in reply. r t most of. the ball team have started
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a training camp for the olympics and they're confident they can repeat their gold medal success in beijing four years ago the americans are preparing in las vegas at the moment that olympic place was announced at the weekend stars of the bron james . anthony it's also part of the team that it takes everyone else to the last olympics so this bunch of experience although they will have to tweak their style as the games will be played and. not be. you know ten or twelve guys that are on this to have. won gold medals the world championships are in the picture in two thousand may so we. just are pretty well you know we just have to keep reminding ourselves to try to take the ball off the room on the defensive enter just you know don't go back to. the changes are much of a difference. well that's all the sports news for the moment i'll be back in two hours time with more for you stay with us.
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