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tonight on r t it looks like the stop online piracy act and it even sounds like the failed bill but this is not so far it's the only intellectual property quietly unveiled over the weekend so who is behind this and why is it being resurrected why some answers. plus the occupy gets raided activists in seattle are given a rude awakening after swat teams raid their home in the middle of the night is this an intimidation tactic or par for the course in dealing with the occupy movement will get to the bottom of it with a man who was there when it all went down. and it's a short fall from comedy to political incorrectness funny man daniel tosh is in hot water this week for a joke he made about raping women but where exactly does the line fall between what's inappropriate and what constitutes free speech last comedian dog stand.
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good evening it's wednesday july eleventh seven pm in washington d.c. i'm christine you're watching r.t. let's begin this hour by taking a closer look at our internet freedoms in the u.s. and around the world we all remember a few months ago when some members of congress tried to pass the stop online piracy act and the protect ip act web sites like wikipedia and seven thousand others staged protests and blackouts and soon enough people were paying so much attention that those two pieces of legislation were voted down well it turns out so it was evil twin brother is back his name is the intellectual property. if you take a look up here we've compiled both of the bills and it's hard to tell which is which both talk about advancing intellectual property rights and preventing
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infringement but the new one calls for the creation of a class of political officers who will see to it that all u.s. trade negotiations and discussions at vance so point like provisions in other countries to make it easier at a later date to simply get the u.s. to then comply this bill thanks to texas republican congressman lamar smith it simply so far two point. friendlier i was joined by aaron swartz founder and executive director of demand progress he weighed in on this new attempt at the legislation to use the economic and military might of the united states so we've seen in some of the wiki leaks cables some details have come out about this where they said look you know we're going to cut you out of u.s. trade deals or cut you out of u.s. military support well you know they use all the pressure that the united states has to force these other countries to adopt policies that their own citizens don't want . and you know we should mention this is not just going on obvious or of laundering as you say here in the u.s. we saw just last week the european parliament vote to reject act and they seem to
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be sort of trying this back door approach as well the european union plans to use the canada you trade agreement to implement these active provisions and talk a little bit about what's going on with that yeah i mean there's this interesting thing you see in the u.s. constitution and then you see a new as well where treaties with other countries don't have to go through quite the same scrutiny as the normal process of passing a law so if there's something that gets rejected by the congress and united states will go off and try to do a sneak it into a treaty with another country well oh well you know we're not voting on it anymore it was just part of a treaty and now we have to abide by it and so we're seeing the ears do the same thing words act a clear vote on this question was voted down and voted down normally you know no chance of coming back but now they're going to try and sneak it into a much larger trade agreement and say look to keep trading with these other countries we need going on to exactly the same provisions i guess i'm curious i mean one of these lawmakers to lamar smith of texas for example who was also
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involved in the original sopa what do they have to gain i mean why are they doing this. well you know the facts to suit you look at someone like lamar smith hollywood provides an enormous amount of their funding you know to run political campaigns especially in the states these days he's extremely expensive and hollywood not only has a lot of money but they also have a lot of experience bankrolling political campaigns they're very good at throwing fundraisers they have all these pacs set up the funnel money they know how to get money into washington and so a lot of these members of congress and become dependent on it and when sopa died that was kind of a big blow hollywood was really upset they thought maybe you know we're not going to keep giving money to politicians i think more and so they've demanded more and more extreme things in order to try new politics was to win hollywood's favor by yeah i mean hollywood the recording the recording industry all these organizations and what what is it that they are most concerned about and why are they spending millions of dollars in lobbying money to try to get this legislation passed. well
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you know the fact is just from a long term perspective it's pretty clear what the internet does that disintermediation right it takes these things cost money like printing books or making copies of d.v.d.'s and makes them essentially you know it's just as easy to download a book as it is to share any other kind of a file there's no reason for a separate publishing company to be there to print copies of books and the same is true of the hollywood studio you know you can put a movie up on you tube now there's no reason to go through a studio and have this intermediary between you the creator of the movie and the people watching it and so that puts hollywood an incredible danger on the internet not because authors want to make movies anymore but because middlemen won't be able to take cut and so what they're trying to do is they're trying to find a way to crack down on the internet to control it to get rid of these free flowing sites where anyone can post videos and make it more of a thing where you have to get approved where you have to give them their cut where they can continue to put themselves between the creators and the people watching
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the movie so that they can continue making the profits that they've made aaron let's break down this new intellectual property attache act that clearly you can't just sneak stuff and congress you can certainly try it's why we always try to stay on top of especially these kinds of stories these kind of was being put out there how do you see this moving forward i mean how does come you know congressman lamar smith how does he get people to sign on you know that voted against his lost time. well that's what's so interesting about this particular bill is that after they learn the mistakes from so but they said look we're not going to transfer you can you think through again we'll have it all be part of a debate part of a larger discussion don't worry everybody relax we learn a lesson and so what is lamar smith do he waits a reasonable period waits and everybody calms down to people are less afraid of sopa and then there's the whole the discussion of the bringing people together doesn't even what we say the bill no you haven't even put the bill a minute for people to read you know sensitive sort of you have both scheduled on it before anyone has even gotten
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a chance to read the bill i mean you know that's what it that's what i mean by sneaking this bill through you know there's not even going to be a hearing about whether it's going to be you're not going straight to the vote the same day that he's going to release the text of the bill and so you know basically he's just asking people to vote on this thing knowing that hollywood likes it without knowing what's in it that's what kind of dangerous and irresponsible tactic that got congress rightly criticized and are so proud of and they think you know well if we change the name if we rush it faster this time if we just you know try a little bit harder maybe we can sneak it through and it's up to us to make sure we can. and that was aaron swartz founder and executive director of demand progress. yesterday morning organizers from occupy seattle staying in an apartment had a rude awakening they were raided by a swat team now according to the warrant issued by police police said they were looking for quote anarchist material and continuing an ongoing investigation of
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a may day riot but the police left the apartment in seattle yesterday without arresting anyone and with just a few pieces of seized property that's only after they busted down the door used a flash bang grenade and tore through the entire apartment with me now for more is someone who was actually at the scene when this all happened political organizer philip neal he is in seattle right now all right fella break this down for me what exactly happened here. basically i woke up. to this can you hear me yes i can hear you just fine. ok chattered my headset basically i woke up to the sound of the flashing going up actually open we had just enough time to jump out of a little bit of clothing on and put our hands behind our heads and then the swat team came in with their automatic guns drawn had been pointed at our backs for a good period of time will they search the house clearly disconcertingly to wake up
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in the morning. anyways they raided the entire house they went through everything they hold everything out of my drawers etc etc i asked them to show me a warrant was refused by the first a swat team member he said the detectives would be out later in the show me the warrant i asked if a broken the door they had knocked no response asked what precinct they were from he get no response later the detectives came up they flashed the warrant really quickly we didn't get to see the war until it was actually all over and we had the zip ties taken off our hands and everything anyways that's i mean that's the basic gist of it with many people won't get a look at them or how many people were in the apartment at the time and how many of you guys were occupy activists who were pretty much all known community organizers an occupy activists people that i work with i regularly people
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well known for their radical politics as well as people who are organizing the upcoming everything curry one festival we give away free food in the central district here in seattle at risk sunday for everyone and so we're all known organizers to other people at the time were actual residents of the apartment two were visitors ok just about four or five of you and what time did this all happen or this was it six am six am the only thing if i think five. and they didn't even knock at the door there wasn't even an attempt to to for you know what they were not sure they were probably so using her and. more and more and no one not we're not sure anyways they used a flash bang grenade in the stairwell you know we know it was a stairwell could have been a living room and then they broke down the door immediately really disturbed one of the neighbors as well philip let's talk about this i mean it's no secret police and
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occupy activists don't always get along but this is new territory actually going into someone's home we've seen the footage from new york from oakland but this is on a you know oftentimes public property police out there let's let's think about this in a little bit bigger picture here i mean what do you think this says that they're now doing this. first of all it says i think this is counseling lax care terminology were to enter this materials thing from the warrant but also you know so that means this is explicitly political that targeting people for political ideology a political ideology is the least think that they have but i also want to know if this is new territory for the occupy movement it isn't territory but this isn't really new territory this is been going on for a long time this is tom in crack this in communities of color and the only thing that's new about it is that we're mostly many of us are are white activists it's not something that's you've been done to white radicals or white people since the last red scare in the fifty's but it's very common practice in communities of color
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it's the beginning of a. kind of new jim crow era that people like michelle alexander talk about so in one sense it is new but in another sense it isn't and i also want to emphasize that you know we're younger activists we live the majority of our adult lives like after nine eleven after he treat acts cetera et cetera more or less you know the state so you know way it's a lot less surprising for us than i think it is for all the people were used to this and we see this all the time and we've grown up and it's still somewhat shocking though at least it to me that they would do this and from what i understand i mean you guys were zip tied your hands were tied while the raid was going on but nobody was arrested and what kind of items did they take out of your apartment. and no one was arrested they took basically they took of black hoodie that belonged to my girlfriend they took a few gloves
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a pink scarf. they took a notebook that belonged to my girlfriend that was going to a she was one of the she's five i don't concede i don't there are some that you know it was a notebook with her and snow you know they took a few flyers or like a book release party it was a book on an artist in the occupy movement so i think they took the center of this on it it took a few flyers that have been handed out at occupy recurrence previously basically i mean it was like nothing it was things that would have been in anybody's house yeah just so interesting you said you know you asked the police and the swat team what they had done to the door i mean are they going to have this fixed and where did you leave things with them in terms of you know this whole incident. well i mean things were left on terms of on the same terms they started with which was kind of brutal force and just. plain disrespect on the part of the seattle
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police department but we've become used to that the commanding officer here was wesley freeze and that's f.-r. i yes yes and he was pulled over in two thousand and four for drunken driving and threatening to kill the officers that you got twenty days suspension and now he's heading up there a day investigation squad i mean this is really with s.p.d. they're one of the most notorious of police departments in the country they're currently under armor justice investigation for repeated excessive use of force these swat teams for just regular everyday activities they've been critical critiqued by former police chief norm stamper even who i you know don't agree with on most things eclipse heats them for using swat teams in situations like this i mean they were overall you know we were completely cooperated and they were still you know threatening people saying that they're going to go to jail et cetera et cetera and no arrests were made philip as part of i would say nationwide but it
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actually becomes that sort of an international movement the occupy wall street movement talk a little bit about. this incident and how it you know it should make people concerned on a much more broad level as this movement moved forward. sure. you know i don't think occupies just become an international movement though i think it started as international. and it came over here you know we have indignados in spain all of these things been bouncing back and floor and heating off of each other we really. we've been suffering the same police repression in country after country in greece in spain etc etc these are basically you know they're there at a fundamental level united and united by those underlying structural economic factors more than any it's not just greedy corporations etcetera etcetera is that greed is built into the system and that's what people are responding to and the
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reason that we're being rated the reason that we're being attacked and a specifically i'm part of a red spark organization here it's our collective were openly communist we have open radical politics in a new attractive way you know and reasonable being attacked is because you're willing to say that these minor reforms and purchase shin's and things are not and no one teledensity clear has when your friends and i broke in the law. well the thing is though always try to put charges on people right now no we have people here who have done a rescue militants asked charges of them but i don't know from our clients and they've been found not guilty we had someone who had assault charges and church and charges put on him and he was down not guilty they continually are trying to charge people with things whenever they get arrested right now no one's being charged with anything what you've done is exercise our first amendment rights and we've had our
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fourth amendment rights breached of course but it's for speaking out you know that's what i was wondering if this was just about your or if it was actual you know charges or or convictions appreciate having you on the show something interesting stuff political organizer philip neal joining us from seattle thanks so much thank you well we're living in a world folks where so often science fiction is becoming science fact we're remote controlled warfare weapons are used more and more to kill enemies and to spy check out these cyborg insect drones they're called nano quad rotors they're developed make a mil robotics in the university of pennsylvania. so these devices can be controlled from far distances and they may look teeny tiny but they're actually equipped with cameras and microphones and experts say this advanced technology technology is advanced enough that it could lay hands on you use its needle and take a d.n.a. sample or it could inject
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a micro tracking device under your skin and guess what it would feel like it would feel like a prick of a mosquito bite all right i'm not trying to fear monger here i'm just saying this is some of the technology that is out there available for use by our talk top tech teams and perhaps too by our government right now check this out as well fifty gigapixel kara it's called aware to camera system kind of looks like another insect with hairs but those are actually wires and ports parts of multiple cameras to take multiple pictures from multiple angles and there's ninety eight of them at that amazing zoom level then there's also video advanced hypersonic weapons program this is a glider type vehicle and it provides the president secretary of defense and combatant command with the ability to quickly destroy delay or disrupt key enemy targets within a few hours so in this era of drones it's important to stay on top of some of these developments if nothing else to realize we ain't seen nothing yet.
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so speaking of this amazing technology in the development of new weapons systems a lot of this actually happens on our dime taxpayers fund infrastructure projects that keep our roads paved sometimes we fund public education in this country that our children might learn to read and write and refund a large department of defense budget that fund our troops and our wars and the development of new weapons and technology to keep this country safe now of that six hundred fifty billion dollars budget nearly sixty billion of that goes to the pentagon's black programs is a programs you were i don't know anything about most are totally classified so we wanted to look a little further into just what this was and how it all works here's what i found. it's all the things you don't see but pay for anyway it's secret intelligence programs and weapons research. budget. time we give to everything in the
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budget everything in the defense budget was classified green. one. it all started here with the manhattan project the program to build an atomic bomb when the u.s. government spent more than two billion dollars in secret today it's estimated between eight and ten percent of the entire budget is unknown it may not seem like a line but the cost of the secret stuff is on par with the entire military budgets for france and the u.k. and more than germany's. you can't keep spending money like this and maintain an empire this is how empires fall but military officials argue the empire need security and that covert operations and classified weapons research need to be conducted without congressional oversight on grounds oversight we compromise secrecy tim wiener wrote the book a blank check the pentagon's black budget and says what they're doing is illegal
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our constitution commands a public budget so when we spend money in secret were violating our own constitution other critics wonder how much of the things budgeted for are actually produced or are produced but never used as william sweetman says pearls too precious to which i don't anybody has an issue with for example keeping. what we call tactics techniques and procedures on the raps. but it becomes a pretty big deal when you concealing its existence they have not to mention that despite drawing down one warrant plans to draw down the other. the black budget has skyrocketed over the last few decades perhaps the post nine eleven mentality will be permanently etched in future budgets but we want to spend time in the shadows of the intelligence world. a lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly without any discussion so it's going to be vital force to use any means at
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our disposal to disposal basically to achieve our objective but with those objectives starting to change at least publicly it will be interesting to see if the numbers change as well especially once the drawdown from afghanistan begins skeptics they know that with concerns about countries like iran and north korea and other threats that there will be plenty to keep black budget business booming at the pentagon christine present r.t. . all right so there's been a bit of fallout from a recent comedy show at a los angeles comedy club and the blog of a girl in the audience what happened when daniel tosh of tosh point zero made the remark that all jokes about rape are funny so the girl wrote quote so i yelled out actually rape jokes are never funny i did it because even though being disruptive is against my nature i felt that sitting there and saying nothing or leaving quietly would have been against my values as a person and as a woman i don't sit there while someone tells me how i should feel about something as profound and damaging as rape after i called out to him tosh paused for
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a moment and then he said would it be nice or wouldn't it be funny if that girl got raped by like five guys right now like right now what if a bunch of guys just rape her. so we want to talk about this and about free speech political correctness and if there should be lines drawn or exceptions made especially when it comes to comedians by the way apologized in a tweet sort of saying all the out of context misquotes aside i'd like to sincerely apologize so disgusted me i was joined earlier by comedian stan hope and i first asked him for his reaction to this drama with tosh it's silly and overblown and embarrassing to our silly country crew first of all we don't know what the story is we know it's. blog account from meade had who walked into a comedy club and then wrote about it it's not like a michael richards situation where there's video we have her word against the club
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owners word and tosh hasn't said anything and regardless even of what she wrote is accurate it's it's nothing rape jokes are funny as what he said they are to some people. and you know i guess if you haven't heard of tosh what he says can be a little shocking but i do want to play some clips of comedians including tosh just to sort of lay out the way comedy is in the modern day. it's one tone and that's why you guys are good air traffic controllers because there would be no difference between a baggage left behind in newark and a wing on fire in terms of the tone so i'm saying the last time that i would be let down by that is our viewers don't like you i'm not condoning rape obviously you should never rape anyone. unless you have a reason like you want to only they will let you in which case. you do you have no rules you. wish to have an orgasm in their body if you don't remember what my sister's off the charts i play practical jokes are constantly though i got her so
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good a few weeks ago i replaced her pepper spray with silly string. anyway that night she got raped. all right so doug clearly some people actually do find this funny. two comedians have a responsibility here i have three and for three on those whole areas to me. if you don't find them funny first of all maybe you should put more effort into researching what entertainment you're going to see you just one blindly into a comedy club and think it's all going to be laughlin nevada buddy hackett then it's your fall you should know what you're going to see it's it's not like it's hard to find out who the people are that are playing that night now maybe if easily offended you shouldn't be in a comedy club to begin with a lot of you know you don't really hear too many people saying you know tosh should be fired or anything like that but there were a whole lot of people saying he should apologize to any sort of that on twitter but
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what do you think should comedians have to apologize he never apologized it makes me sick and i hope he was being sarcastic when he apologized because in his apology he did say aside from the misquoting out of context. i sincerely apologize i hope that was somehow an underhanded slap at her being a liar but either way it's if you don't like it read there's a lot of things just because rape might be touchy to you hey you know what diabetes might be something i dealt with in my family that should we not do diabetes jokes where do you draw the line everything should be funny and i'm laughing and you're not i win and that's what i was going to ask i mean is there anything that you think should be off limits or too sacred are there any lines that should be drawn at all. if you have you have the choice where i can laugh at this or be morose about it no there's no line you're more dramatic the funnier and that's what i was
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going to be sort of touched upon this before. cause a reputation and the majority of the audience was probably prepared it was very interesting this blogger wrote that dane cook didn't really offend her at all but obviously tosh i mean at the end of the day and you think this responsibility does fall on both sides of the stage well first of all a car has a reputation for being really funny and really dark so if you're listening to her account of what he said you're probably not getting the funny version it's just like lenny bruce is famous case where he had a cock testify using his material but using that cobb's delivery when you hear it from a comp it's not funny let's talk about politically political correctness and this country certainly for some people it just goes a little too far and i think you would agree with me and i mean when i say that what do you think are some of the biggest reasons why this is just important to
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talk about because people are bored and they don't want to deal with their own problems so they create problems but they don't want to confront their boss or their own husband or their horrible whatever their life is they'd rather you have some vicarious nonsense on twitter to yell about including me and this conversation i know they are i want to ask you about this meeting that you're attending the amazing meeting is coming up in las vegas what's this all about. it's just skeptics meeting i guess they've done it since two thousand and three i just got invited to go as a bunch of atheists and skeptics and probably bitter and miserable people who like to make great jokes and the like what i have and in your experience doug i mean you're obviously a pretty well known comedian have you ever experienced anything like this i mean have you ever been asked to apologize for anything that you've said but it seems every time i go to the u.k. i get involved in some kind of nonsense and it's usually language based and someone
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was offended by something because they have that problem you can't talk we can use that word retarded. retarded is a description you know. if your body doesn't understand or shut that dog up when you get that in the door of our clearly your dog agrees with you i was going to say if your boss doesn't like the word retard. or the delete challenge because he is he's asking you to apologize as well don't weigh in as a judge was questioned i mean what is your hope in terms of comedian in comedy rather in the modern day in this country what should be its function. to make people forget about their problems but as long as there's this many people who have problems with comedy i should do very well sounds good and. i'd be out of.

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