welcome to the big show. today on r t one delaware based tech company is quietly leading the way in surveillance infrastructure and serving as the middleman between law enforcement officials and your most personal information coming up we'll expose the secrets of the company that already know yours. plus ron paul might have lost the battle for nebraska delegates but he's certainly not ready to concede the war to rival mitt romney will tell you what his next step is in the quest for a speaking spot at the r n c. it's the secretive meeting that the world elites don't want you to know about some of the world's richest and brightest are descending on bohemian grove yet again we'll take you deep in the california's redwoods to find out what actually goes on

. it's monday july sixteenth five pm in washington d.c. i'm christine and you are watching our t.v. . well there is a vast movement taking place right now it's been in the works for about twenty years basically certain companies with one in particular are developing the most high tech systems in order to be able to serve as a connector of dots you could say with those dots being communication entities from cell phone to e-mail even to online shopping habits and one of these most successful companies is called new star it has more than four hundred telecommunications companies that works for dell deal with data requests from law enforcement agencies so we're talking cell phone surveillance requests text messages cell phone locations wire taps and just last year there were one point

five million of these requests neustar even as seven commercials out and so we wanted to play you part of one. week and it's believe day to lead you to the right person on the right device at the right time. with your customers scan the barcode on your. takes to donation to charity or pollution media with their friends and family. he day making connections. so how exactly does this work our correspondent liz wahl breaks this down to give us a look at what's actually going on and why it may be affecting you. well neustar is a massive telecommunications company the delaware based company was founded back in one thousand nine hundred eighty as part of lockheed martin one of the world's largest defense contractors now the company has grown to provide a wide range of services providing information for internet and and marketing industries now what alarm security experts is just how much information this

company has about consumers anyone that uses the internet or cell phones that is new star has info on just about every cell phone in the country in its database they also manage telephone area codes and numbers and with this vast amount of data hundreds of companies turn to new star to handle law enforcement surveillance requests now since new star is in a wireless carrier they've been able to work under the radar their role is to provide this invisible networks store and streamline communications information and let's take a look now at how this network operates so you set out to get a cell phone you had on over to a wireless carrier team mobile risin wireless cricket whatever it is that you decide on and they have chorus they assign you an area code and a telephone number and it's actually a new star that decides on this information and since a new star was there from the very beginning they can claim to have the responsibility of providing you with cyber protection now let's take

a look at the flip side here of the government wants to get information about you they can go directly to new star since they have this vast database or they can head on over to the cellular provider and which case that provider will outsource that government surveillance request to neustar so as you can see neustar is the middleman in all of this and when the government or a company requests this information neustar is likely to have it now if you take a look at new stars website it goes that the government is one of its biggest partners the site status quo. over three thousand government agencies major industry associations regulatory bodies and others rely on a new star to help navigate the complex world of cyber security now new stars coziness with the government could be alarming to internet privacy advocates especially in the wake of a recent new york times article the times reports that cell phone surveillance

requests from law enforcement has skyrocketed they're reportedly one point five million requests for text messages cell phone locations and wiretaps and washington list of all party. again this is a company which has in many ways laid the foundation for the surveillance infrastructure in this country it connects people with companies that want to market to them aggressively and it does this neither with their knowledge rather approval and very few people are talking about this but there was a pretty in-depth article recently in buzz feed breaking down what new star is and i want to bring in the reporter who wrote that article he is joining us from san francisco and there are a on break this down for us i know liz sort of showed us some of how this works but what exactly is new star. bank and news are the very large companies and that cell phone surveillance requests are only one small part of what they do as you guys showed they provide. the numbering system for united states and he and

phones both landline and mobile. but and i think two thousand and three they bought a company that only did so phone surveillance or less from the government so when they acquired that company becoming a place for companies to other smaller mobile companies who are saying we're overwhelmed with requests we don't know what to do let's outsource our now this is a company which has in many ways laid the foundation for the surveillance infrastructure in this country and really tell your article nobody has been talking about this i know you called it one of the most important companies that you've never heard of why is that well i mean they do infrastructure and i think you know they don't provide many consumer facing business is inside their giant business so i think that people pick up a phone you're not really thinking about who you are who's router your call how did

you get your number you know making it possible to have. phone numbers and you're definitely not thinking about the surveillance possibilities. i mean is new start doing anything wrong here are they breaking any laws you know there's been no suggestion that they have i think that what experts i talked to really wanted to know was just more about how many requests they're getting and how they deal with them and you know there's been a lot of. things written lately about how lot of law enforcement quest don't always come to the most appropriate channels or with subpoenas and it would be nice to know what new star is doing to make sure that the mob force and requests their information they're doing it the right way yeah i mean or even if they have any interest in making sure that those channels are being you know those rules are being followed if there's simply just the umbrella company that all the law enforcement agencies sort of end up going to now i mean i wonder is anyone regulating them or making sure that they're following the rules well you know they

do just purity i mean there are other officers privacy expert and in a statement to me she said that they do patiently well now she didn't hear just how often but they do or do reject law enforcement so they are getting requests for. propriety and sort of legal protocols but again we don't know the volume they're dealing with so there's a lot of unanswered questions it's really interesting here in washington there are tons of you know congressional hearings and conferences about cyber security and something that's always interesting to me when i attend these things is how many sort of the same faces you see i know that i was at a cyber security conference and michael chertoff was there so a lot of these people sort of come in and out i know in your article you talk about the company for dushan net and how it was founded by an f.b.i. veteran back in two thousand and two and you know soon after it started businesses grew and profits skyrocketed skyrocketed i'm wondering i mean are you suggesting

that surveillance by law enforcement has sort of become its own industry. i think that i think i think you know i think that there's always been a revolving door between government and private industry and surveillance is no different you know i again there's been no no one has accused or star of doing anything improperly but again just the existence of their large databases combined with their business of handling survey on sequester does mean that you know people call for accountability and transparency but you talk about this revolving door i mean do you think that people are aware of it and do you think people should be concerned about it i think that people should be aware of it i mean i think that people's concern. grows in proportion to their lack of understanding so i feel very concerned when i just see the same names and the same faces you know if there was more transparency i might feel less concerned let's

talk about how this kind of activity is perceived by americans i mean have you know these people in washington these a lot to lawmakers working together in the name of cyber security you know oftentimes they're coming up with legislation to deal with this but it turns out they're not exactly representing the desires of their constituents there was a recent poll done this was done i think by united technologies in the national journal congressional connection and basically found that two thirds of people said that government and businesses should not be allowed to share information they're concerned rightfully so i think about privacy and civil liberties so what about this sort of this connection i guess between the people and their elected officials when it comes to cyber security and some of the action being taken to deal with this. i mean i think it is. one of the roles of our elected leaders to pressure on these companies to tell us to see request for more

accountability and transparency i think you saw that with the cell phone surveillance so the only reason we know anything about the volume of surveillance requests that cell phone companies are getting is because of one congressional inquiry that yielded i think there were nine companies they're asked to write letters to talk about the volume of their surveillance requests so that was a very positive thing and i think it would be exciting to see more of that for instance a new star has not been asked to disclose their volume of requests in the number that they rejected why so that could be used yeah absolutely and i think it's interesting to. hear you're talking about here some of the things that new star and other companies like it too as they deal with you know cell phone location so this makes sense to me when you're talking about trying to find you know somebody that's missing you know let's get these companies involved to try to find out you know the best acting most accurate location of their cell phone the most the last

conversation they have this is a little more easy to swallow then you know if the government wants information for a person who's done nothing wrong and wants to know more about their text messages i mean and i mean how how is how do we move forward i guess as journalists and as concerned citizens to try to find out if this is actually happening. i mean i think i ask questions and by telling our elected leaders to ask questions and to request more regulation around this you know news stories of big company we don't understand all of what they do but i think that i'm glad that more people are interested. you know in terms of more steps of pro publica recently offered a kind of op ed in the new york times and talked about how you know your cell phone they call it basically a tracking device and i think that you know whenever you look ation. aware you

should know that you're opening yourself up to tracking of all kinds you know i mean it's very easy to go down like a conspiracy theory or you know warm. or cold here but you know that's the reality of it absolutely for those of us who have an i phone just about every app we open or free ask siri to help us find someone something she's got to know where we are unable in order to be able to help us really interesting article appreciate all the information that you sort of put together for it on her mind she west coast editor for buzz feed f.w.d. thanks so much thank you. let's switch gears now and talk some politics over the weekend results of the final statewide presidential primary were made official in nebraska now even though ron paul finished third during the primary there back in may a whole lot of people expected the official results to show delegates throwing their support behind ron paul and paul did have the majority of delegates support from four other states iowa louisiana maine and minnesota now if he would have won that

would have made it five state primaries and that would have guaranteed him fifteen minutes to address the republican national convention in tampa florida next month are in c. rules state that winning five states makes you a nominee for the party candidacy but that didn't exactly happen so was this his last chance or is hope still one for ron paul joining me to discuss this is austin peterson director. for freedom works then is this every chance that ron paul had to have these fifteen minutes to speak at the convention it is that not going to happen now not really actually there so there's a little bit of a light at the end the tunnel for ron paul supporters delegate counts and totals that's a really complex topic and it's really hard for people understand even the mainstream media and i work for fox news for a couple of years and i was one of the only people who was able to really understand this because i've worked in politics before but a lot of people who work in the media haven't done politics before so they don't understand how fluid some of these delegate counts can be and everybody's forgetting the big elephant in the room ever but nobody said nevada everybody

forgot the fact that nevada was one of the states where he did take the plurality of delegates so there was no vadra there was maine minnesota louisiana which is a little bit questionable and also iowa but there were three other states that were maybes as well which was massachusetts colorado and i'm also getting reports that are unconfirmed today about virginia so there's a chance that he has a plurality in more than five states and that he'll have his speaking convention of speaking slot of the convention but these states that you just mentioned minnesota i mean sorry virginia colorado analogized massachusetts i mean weren't these results already official going to mitt romney well there was the there is a lawsuit going on in massachusetts right now we had reported on this last week where they were forced to sign an affidavit which is technically illegal that makes someone notarize a form to do something in the future right now there is a lawsuit against the massachusetts g.o.p. if that lawsuit goes through then there would be a plurality of delegates from from ron paul's camp that would be going instead of the from romney's that's a little bit in dispute but there's also colorado and virginia as well that sort of

entered into the territory if he so there really is a lot going on right now that a lot of people are reporting on just because it's so if you so it's hard to talk about because people don't want to report misreport something but a lot of my sources are showing that there are some of these states where ron paul actually has taken a majority delegation and he has five states so that he'll be able to have a speaking slot and not just if he austin but i think if anything this time around the. cycle has showed just how complex is a nice word. screwed up has not been as it were i mean our system here i mean odyssey it's very complex to say ok there's a primary in may but the results are going to be official until july i mean why can't we just you know check the box and have it counted and that's that's not i mean this whole fact is delegate factor has really really changed things and frankly i think in a lot of cases it's made the romney campaign pretty nervous because in so many cases as we saw you know romney or santorum or gingrich or whomever you know took

this the first time around that when the delegates actually make their choices known it goes to paul what is wrong we have to be nervous about i mean they're not it's not like they're firing on all barrels on ron paul anymore they're now focused totally on the obama campaign and ron paul has come out and conceded that he will likely not be the nominee you know the worst case scenario happens with mitt romney between now and then i think it made romney nervous a few months ago knowing when conventions and statewide conventions and primaries he expected right which is why we saw the police state locked down in the basket last weekend because they wanted to make sure that there was not going to be any disruptions and you know that everything would go smoothly that they hired the bush lawyer to come in and oversee everything to make sure that nothing was going to happen i think it's funny that you say it was the police say because the head of the g.o.p. there nebraska said oh we're just going to do things the nice way yeah we're going to do things and i swear we're going to do we're going to send the cops in with tasers and make sure that they're standing at the entrances and if anything gets out of control then we'll start shutting it down just like they do another caucus states we're going to start winning but you know romney doesn't really have any cause to be nervous as long as he's following the rules and as long as they give

ron paul his do you know if mitt romney wants to beat obama he's going to need these ron paul voters not every ron paul supporters going to vote for mitt romney but if mitt romney between now and the convention actually sticks his hand out and says you know there are some certain concessions that i could make to a libertarian platform then there might be a chance that he's going to pick up some of these voters the last thing that mitt romney needs to be doing right now is is angering. his base and real limited government conservatives and libertarians those are the base of the g.o.p. he needs those people because in the last few days going out coming up to an election the most important thing that can happen is have your troops the ground game out on the streets now romney is not the type of person to inspire passion amongst young people that's what i was going to say it's not just the voters that romney could use it's some of this energy that we see that is pretty unprecedented absolutely door to door campaigning is the most crucial aspect of the campaign in those final few weeks before election you send your troops that you know the storm troopers to go out across the united states and go door to door and knock on knock on doors and to win

a few votes and or to take people to the polls now obama inspires this sort of activism on amongst youth they will go out and do whatever they want for him mitt romney has to work a lot harder for that knowing that ron paul supporters are mostly youth oriented why would romney want to alienate this young group of supporters when he's going to need them the few weeks before the election so you're saying he could appease them or make them happy at least by by just saying you know ron paul you've got you've got a slot on the stage at our in c. or would go a long way absolutely because what's going to have i mean you know that there he's going to make them angry if he if he denies them a ten minute speaking slot let me ask you this something that was very surprising i think even to the paul family itself was when ron paul's son rand who's a senator from kentucky when i had an endorser in there romney i think this was something he was being pressured to do but even i think that his mother wife is a little surprised a few days or maybe a week later ron paul was asked and i want to play his response when he was asked if he too would support mitt romney. your son senator rand paul has endorsed

romney i take it you're not ready yourself to endorse romney are you. not ready you're not ready no way. did i stutter is basically saying i mean do you think that's going to happen anytime soon you know i don't really see that happening and i think a lot of on paul supporters don't want to see that happen and i don't know if ron paul is putting himself in jeopardy for that speaking slot by saying that he might not endorse mitt romney but there are a lot of things that mitt romney has to do to appease the base he's really done nothing to reach out to limited government conservatives to to to get them to get their endorsement you know i work for freedom works right now and he has you know he's really come out hard against the tea party in the last few years you know he could go a long way towards building bridges to these organizations and to libertarian conservative organizations by sticking his hand out and saying hey i'm going to talk about these issues but instead what do we see we see obama bashing do on a daily basis we're talking about you know bain capital and talk about issues that

conservatives don't care about he's going to pull another john mccain we're going to have another two thousand and eight where we've got a lot of old people who are going to say that i'm just going to pull it because it's a republican but you're not going to have that base of activists that you need to win the election i think to just you know the last point is that a lot of these issues that ron paul sort of has been talking about for years that were sort of fringe a before are not so friendly before polling defense spending you know getting out of the force a lot of people even though they're not the ones in congress a lot of people agree with that people agree with him a more limited government don't you think it would serve romney well to allow you know this speech to take place to bring some of these ideas to light it is but you know these people are all about show and they like a perfect show you know if you're a producer of a show the last thing that you want to somebody come in and you know put something in your kool-aid you know and you don't want you don't want that you know so i can understand why the establishment republicans and certain types would be afraid of a disruption and they think that people are going to be unruly but i really don't believe that because the ron paul supporters that are delegates the ones that get elected they've been through. really vetted by their local parties it's been the

people who have voted for these delegates to go to the convention so by the time they actually get to the convention these people are generally pretty you know pretty mild and they know that they have to kind of go along to get along at a certain point but if they are alienated you never know how people are going to behave so i think it romney does reach out to them in a certain way then he can have a better a better ceremony a coronation core notion somewhere that ceremony for sure but much but easier time and i know you have a lot of sources on the inside to keep us posted in terms of what some of these other states what happens they're always good to have you on austin petersen with freedom works thanks so much thank you so i think there is it is one of the longest running annual gatherings in this country back since the eighteenth seventy's and yet it's one of the least well known but he knew groves that to we gathering for some of the most wealthy and powerful men in the world takes place just outside of san francisco in a town called to rio those who have attended in the past say important policy decisions have been discussed political candidates are often chosen and yet even members of the media who get the invite and they go they never breathed

a word about it correspondent abbie martin is in montana rio and has more on the significance of it. straight from the san francisco airport headed to montevideo a city with beautiful redwoods and picturesque coastlines. the perfect getaway for the world's rich and powerful and in fact every year ceos media moguls and high level politicians flock here to the bohemian grove secluded campout less than half a mile from there they're millionaires billionaires the people that control the world control of central banks the build nuclear weapons i mean this was their summer playground dr peter phillips spent three days on the inside now on the outside he argues that the public has a right to know what's going on and his calling for an occupation of the grove it's speaking to the powerful of the world saying we want to have a democratic process we want to have an open transparent process and they're making business deals there they're talking policy with a lot of conversation

a claim which members deny their motto here is that weaving spiders come not here which they claim means there's no business discussions it's just the vacation from the wealthy men author and activist mark dice has a rare grove yearbook issued every decade showing everything from men in drag to high profile politicians giving speeches it's a really good way for the ruling class to get an inside perspective from another ruling class remember the book shows george w. bush and his father giving lakeside talks along with presidents jimmy carter and richard nixon others have attended our david brooks of the new york times along with c.e.o.'s from c.n.n. and fox jimmy buffett david rockefeller and henry kissinger mark also has an official two thousand and five membership list of grove attendees your typical warmongers george bush sr colin powell richard perle and your typical

republican establishment and cider. for hundreds heeded the call to protest the people in the growth are about to be conquered. college student kimberley is out. ridged by what she sees as the top one percent excluding the rest from the discussion shows that we are really the franchise that our voice is a little muted money is speech you know so if you don't have money you don't really have a voice activist felipe in the siena worries about dangerous policies that are drafted from within the redwoods the nuclear program was discussed here and then developed later the fact that reagan was here in eighty and then afterwards we had the reagan revolution where. an event with so little transparency has bred theories some of them pretty wild about what goes on on the inside especially at the cremation of care ritual where group members burn a coffin effigy to

a forty foot. to counteract the crimean ceremony the protesters held a creation of care festival. the creation care of course is the opposite of cremation that peace and justice activist cindy sheehan speculates on the lack of media coverage as they are part of that you know there's there's a propaganda arm for the one percent the corporate media is the one percent i mean if you look at it that way n.b.c. m s n b c c fox they are of the corporate one percent they're not going to do negative stories about themselves about capitalism about global empire and war. how can someone own a two thousand year old redwood grove that's the question of the occupiers are asking about the bohemian grove which they say belongs to everyone and not just the one percent. here at the gates of the bohemian grove a line of right police made sure that everyone didn't gain access to the layer of the one percent abby martin r.t. what they do you know california and earlier i spoke to abby for an update on what

she witnessed take a look. i think people are recognizing that this is the one percent of people in the world we have million heirs billionaires i mean you cannot you have to be pretty pretty rich to get in there there are one hundred twenty eight camps of twenty to fifty people in these camps each one has a full barn. very rich wealthy elite going in there from all ends of the society and what really happened this year was the first time that the occupy movement recognized hey the bohemian grove is really something that we should be calling now and occupy and so they made an event occupy bohemian grove just as they have before just dovetailing off this whole movement of the ninety nine percent versus the one percent and they had an event a month later you know ampitheater which is about a mile of the gates of the grove and all day they had a beakers. band they had a woman from the mothers of fukushima that was there just because she knew that you know the nuclear program was basically started here decades ago so she was calling

out nuclear radiation the radiation and everything that happened in fukushima and just kind of tying it back to the policies that were originated in these redwoods christine and a lot of the occupiers were just saying we want a voice we want to be heard just because we don't have money doesn't mean that we should not have a say in the democratic process that the society should be built on and that was built on and then you had a big march from everyone that was there at the creation of care festival which was which of course was to counteract the cremation of care ritual all the these people do in the bohemian which is very interesting it's fifty people and monk robes walking around and they create a coffin effigy to a giant forty foot out when they mullick so these people were having their own you know create such as they were we want to take care we don't want to burn our way and pretend like nothing's happening you know when there's so much starvation and war and all these these things that are happening pretty much at the hands of what

they say are the people who are inside the group kind of celebrating their own power. our we saw in march the gates of the grove where of course they were met with riot police and and a pretty tense stand off there there was one arrest of a seventy five year old man across the police line so if you talk about all these protesters who have come sort of as part of the occupy movement which is new this year what about inside you know on the other side of those walls abbie i mean is there any evidence that those who attend this retreat have changed their tune or at least are a little more sympathetic to the ninety nine percent cause. i don't know kristie yeah you know i haven't talked to anyone except of course peter philips the the professor and a former director of project censored who did attend three days to do this or cation on the group where he he did the business deals being made first and he did the a lot of business discussion and policy discussion but of course after he did that they did close that off to two journalists and everyone who isn't via.