thank. you. today on our team when it comes to terrorism in the u.s. most americans associate that word to dark skinned men from some foreign country but coming up we'll show you why your neighbor just may be a big or a threat than extremists from other countries. and it's no secret that americans love their guns and we are the number one country in gun sales but there is a new twist to this old trade in it and balls and a r fifteen plastic and one heavy duty printer the details. and what organization is more popular than both presidential contenders and congress the answer will no doubt surprise you will tell you how the t.s.a. told higher profile ratings despite all the public lashings they receive.

it's thursday august ninth four pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching r t well we begin this hour is zeroing in on two nashua things that have rocked us community is the massacre at a colorado movie theater and just days later a gunman opens fire at a sikh temple in wisconsin both cases tragic unsuspected and unthinkable but for the most part they are seen as isolated incidents in both cases the suspects are young white males not the typical face of terror but someone may have saw this coming a former d.a. chess analyst darryl johnson wrote a report titled right wing extremism current economic and political climate fueling resurgence in radicalization and recruit recruitment many on the right criticize it as politically motivated fear mongering. wing extremists.

this is a funny story and. this is what we. like to tell it oh my god. does that mean they're going to be spending so many spies. there are no timothy mcveigh's out there right now if they're going to issue these reports for this made up threat to serve as posing a bigger threat to this country than terrorists naming veterans groups as possible extremist groups targeting veterans well as career was essentially over because the administration did not support his findings so while homegrown terrorism is on the rise why isn't the media recognizing this possibly dangerous trend to discuss this is the man that wrote that report former d.h. analyst carol johnson owner of d.t. analytics joins us now darrell welcome to the show so would you say that homegrown

terrorism is a growing threat in the u.s. it definitely is basically why it doesn't get as much media publicity as an ok to attack is a lot of these attacks are small and skill meaning that they use firearms or small explosive devices and only injure or kill small amounts of people we're not looking at the mass casualty nine eleven type of attack from these extremists but i mean in the cases that we've seen recently it seems like they're treated as isolated incidents seems like people also have a hard time calling these. these incidents acts of terror why isn't the media or you know why are they acknowledge this well in order for it to be an act of terrorism you have to have some sort of political or ideological component to it so the objective of the terrorists is to put forward their cause or their objective . ok in this league recent case over in wisconsin it seems like that objective was

very clear the motives seem to be clear that this was a hate crime he was a member in the military and his. his fellow soldiers there acknowledge that he was just racist so when he was let go for drinking they were surprised because they thought you know they they made another connection there. do you think they're all that you know the word terrorist evokes a specific image to americans and that they have a hard time associating that word it with white males that's true a lot of people because of the over of the system the global war on terrorism they're looking for people that have brown skin wearing turbans or and having foreign sounding names may be speaking a foreign accent and so people have been conditioned because of this war on terror to report suspicious activity on individuals that look foreign but we also need to

be vigilant about those who are among those that look like me you can be related to your friends or next door neighbor because that they subscribe to any one of these extremist belief systems here they pose a threat as well and this is exactly what you brought attention to in your d.h. asked reporter i wanted to read a clip from that report if we could bring it up there it states quote threats from white supremacists and violent anti-government groups there in two thousand and nine have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts nevertheless the consequences of a pro law and economic downturn including real estate foreclosures unemployment and an inability to obtain credit could create a fertile recruiting and vironment for right wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past can you darrell a lab or a down on what you mean by that and also. so the media response that you got to

this report well basically what a right wing extremism is is we're talking about people that are motivated by hate white supremacist members of the ku klux klan neo nazis racist skinheads it also encompasses those who have extremist views towards the government including the militia extremists that are basically conducting paramilitary training and also sovereign citizens these are groups and individuals who basically renounce their citizenship and don't pay their taxes and don't register their vehicles and so that's what we meant by right wing extremism in that report and why do you see these forms of extremism as expanding in the u.s. well as we pointed out in the report there were basically a number of factors that fed into this kind of perfect storm where we had radicalization recruitment going on the first was the president of the election of an african-american president this is the thing that white supremacists have

basically prepared for in this like their worst nightmare come true the other thing is the downturn in the economy when you have people that are unemployed people tend to look for causes for why they don't have a job and sometimes they may blame foreign countries for that sometimes they may be blame politicians and so some of these types of people will see go into government groups as a result you with this most recent incident over and over are suspect michael wade michael page in wisconsin do you think that this could be the tipping point or at what point will people realize that hey this is a legitimate concern this is a legitimate threat. well the one thing i want to point out between the aurora incident in colorado and the one that happened at the sikh temple in wisconsin is the shooters had two different motivations behind their attacks and i'd like to kind of address that for a second the sikh temple we had an individual that was

a member of a white supremacist movement and had an ideology that basically fit a fear of muslims and i do believe you know in my professional opinion that this individual mistook the sikh temple as a gathering place for muslims in the colorado case it was more of a person that was mentally ill who had no ideology to further them towards violence and didn't really have a political objective behind their attack so it's important to differentiate between those two right glad that you brought attention to an important distinction there. do you think this kind of reflects this shift in attitude this is breeding islamophobia. apparently that. the suspect was mistaken because in this case they were actually muslim but i mean something bigger going on here and this post nine eleven country of this world that we left it there right after nine eleven we saw

a lot of anti muslim sentiment that spilled out into violent acts against muslims and unfortunately there were several attacks against sikhs around that time and then more recently within the past year we've seen an uptick in the number of arson attacks and vandalism against mosques and so i think one thing that the government could have done given that track the pattern that we see with the mosque burnings is they could have sent out some sort of warning some sort of threat assessment to the muslim and see communities saying hey we see this uptick and you need to be prepared for it and here are some preventive measures measures you can take to my knowledge no such intelligence warning was ever sent out and as a result. you know we have people that are vulnerable. so what do you think if both of these situations the suspect a white male what if we put a different face on this suspect what if this suspect was a muslim or from a different minority group do you think that the media would react differently or

that there would be a different sense of public outrage or how do you think that would change the dynamic when the parents we've seen this very fact happen that the media doesn't pay attention to attacks because they're white males or people who are own citizenry and so i think there needs to be more awareness and congress definitely needs to devote. believe an equal amount of time to both types of threats not solely focused on muslims what do you think there are i guess to wrap it up here what would it take to shift this change in perception. and what terrorism is to to bring attention to you know the full picture of all the threats that are facing our country today well i'm hoping that this attack is a wake up call for our decision makers and if they don't take action no unfortunately there may be a attack that has even more deadly consequences or another type of

a turk that kills people in their. church right darrell really appreciate you coming on the show thank you so much that was a formal former v.h.s. analyst daryl johnson thank you. well you've heard all about three d. movies now more people are using three d. printers and while many celebrate the advances in the versatility of three d. printing others are growing concerned over possible use to print out deadly weapons and american gun smith made this a reality user by the name have. a r fifteen dot com a firearms forum claims to have fired two hundred rounds from his part plastic pistol it's the first successful firing of a three d. printed gun have blue did not use the printer and an entire gun only a part called the lower receiver. you can see it there so this component is the

only part of the garden regulated for sale under u.s. law and must carry a serial number that is unless it's made by someone for personal use so how blue is not breaking any laws so is this possibly another example of how easy it is for anyone to craft their own deadly weapons to discuss this i'm joined now by our intrepid our t.v. producer andrew blake andrew it's great to have you here on the satellite here so first of all can you just explain this concept i mean to those that are not you know privy to the making. of the printer both how does one make a gun from a three d. printer how does that transformation first you have to go back and look at how these three d. printers actually operate and over the last couple of years are becoming i don't see this really mainstream but there's certainly breaking through and becoming for

one thing affordable for an hour for just a few hundred dollars to a to a low grade consumer model to a few thousand dollars to something a bit nicer you can pretty much is exactly what i said it's a three d. printer you design something using a cad design on a computer you make a three d. rendered image you take it you imported to a big machine like a big xerox and you import a different polymers or plastic or resin into it send the file through and within a couple minutes a couple of hours or maybe a couple of days you can hold whatever it is you had in your head you can design it people have made guitars people have made keys people have made little toys and this is one fellow who just recently made a gun or at least most of a gun he was able to make the bottom half of it almost all of the trigger component to the safety of the magazine he combined it with a little bit of metal hardware and was able to fire off two hundred rounds own just like that without really ever having to even go to wal-mart and go buy. unseld wow

i mean seems like you can do a lot are there any limitations and they endure a lot of what you can do i mean you can't there's no interest in what you can do but it's limitations do you know what's going to what you can get away with i suppose that that's what really comes down to there aren't really strict intellectual property laws to it that apply specifically to three d. printing up because people don't really know about it i mean it's been twenty years . cd ours have been able to let you know any consumer in america go ahead and replicate any sort of software music or any sort of digital file it's been twenty years since that became kind of like a mainstream thing and people are still trying to for a new ways to regulate that so no it's not just you know stealing someone's music copying it and being able to distribute it it's being able to look at something design it put it onto a computer and then actually be able to hold it in your hands and it's really is that simple as long as you know a little bit about computer aided design you can design something and bam there you

go you just need a few hundred dollars in fact mr slick we believe this is the fellow who designed this gun he said that he only needed around and he said thirty to fifty dollars worth of plastic to do it and if you used one of the lower grade machines could've done and cheaper wow so seems like it doesn't take too many resources to get you know i mean it's kind of it's amazing that if you can dream it you can really make it happen that you can do and you know it's not just like you know painting a picture sitting down in you know having a melody in your head going back home and recording a song it's really as simple as is dreaming something and then coming back with this actual tangible object and you know people have been using this for years now really on a consumer level but people have used it in the industrial sector to design prototype still to come up with basic blueprints maybe architects have actually used in the past to design smaller scale models of properties that they're thinking about building and they're able to. go through it and you'll have everything in

scale go well all right that works out there that works out there how can we make it more appropriate to what we want exactly and you can do that in the thing with mr gosset was actually saying an interview that he did a few weeks ago that the great thing about this was you know he went ahead he went through the blueprints and went ok well this didn't work out too well so what i'm going to do i'm just going to go back and do it again it's just a matter of moving around a couple of points on a cad design figuring out how you you want it to look going back and just doing it again it's not like you have to go in and actually order a whole new gun because you like the way this one shoots better this one holds better it's really oh this is what i have to do to fix it ok i can fix it and i never have to leave my house and so you know the bottom half of the gun and the what he made actually using on different plastics that is the part that is regulated that's the thing that's that's that's the powerhouse of the gun that's what you need to look out for and that's what the government has a lot of restrictions on and by going ahead and making that in his own house and just using

a little spare parts of metal to build the rest of the machine yeah he he didn't really necessarily break any laws he just created some and so that is i mean that could be troubling to some people i know and i literally does this mean that you know anybody that if you don't have a gun license or if your license was revoked and here you're going to have three d. printer and make one on my own who's going to come to your house and like oh i need to look at your blueprints i want to know what designs you have in mind like are they going to start arresting people just based on the theory that oh they've looked at this therefore they're going to be able to create it because that that is very possible that this certainly that they're going to do that but if you have something in front of you you can go ahead and just make it on any scale that you want and in fact the pistol that he made twenty caliber he managed to fire off two hundred rounds himself so that actually work better than some of commercially available firearms and twenty two is the same one the same weapons that james holmes used last month india or colorado. so he was pretty much able to make more

or less that exact weapon from his computer. pretty interesting kind of scary not sure what to make of it but if you're hearing. as well that was our producer andrew blake. the t.s.a. has become an actor to many americans have come to dread we've heard politicians and frustrated citizens complain about the transportation security administration from too close for comfort pat downs to virtually nude snapshots the agency has come under fire for possibly overstepping its boundaries. just john. kerry she made sure actually your vote touched my government like the you know your authority we were going to do that here detention i just want to have your rest. starting

a lot of controversy there are many unhappy travelers at the airports but it's not just pat downs the agency is costly sixty billion dollars since nine eleven but despite the negative press it turns out most americans actually approve of the agency and the job it's doing according to a recent gallup poll the t.s.a. has a fifty four percent approval rating that's higher than president obama's fifty three percent rating republican presidential candidate mitt romney's forty percent approval rating and congress is decimal sixteen percent approval rating so why does the t.s.a. continue to have higher polling numbers than the presidential nominees in nearly four times the approval rating of congress to discuss this and more in these to benefit sociate litigation counsel for ethic joins us now amy welcome so. were you surprised by this poll a little bit i think what we're getting out of this poll are two things the first one is people approve more of the t.s.a.

i think this is a positive thing it means t.s.a. has been trained better people aren't having as many run ins there aren't as many of these egregious actions taking place that we had seen previously that numbers down that's good for airline travelers however i think the other thing that we're seeing is that a majority of people are finding the t.s.a. effective and since the documents prove that they are in fact not infective that the technology they are using is not effective that that just means the t.s.a. is throwing more money at p.r. and it's working and i think that's a problem and you know what people are going to say there's actually a couple statistics i want to bring up the t.s.a. and its many roles in equipment or. furred to hear as the security theater despite this only thirteen percent that think the t.s.a. screening procedures are either not too effective or not effective at all so that leaves eighty five percent of americans that think that these screenings are extremely very or somewhat effective and you know what these people are going to

say is that we haven't had a terrorist attack come through at least in our airports so they're being like hey seems like it's working that's what they're saying the problem is we also really haven't had an attempt we haven't had somebody get up to the gate in an airport and try to go through t.s.a. try to go through airport security with a bomb or with something that could cause a terrorist attack this is all being handled in advance what we've always said is that the number one way to prevent a terrorist attack is intelligence and smart intelligence and it seems like that's what we're doing finally and that's what's going to happen however terrorist attacks are rare. and the t.s.a. isn't stopping them they're not preventing anything from getting through security so you think people are per hour projecting what seems to be a successful thwarting of terrorism and crediting the t.s.a. for doing that when in fact it was other intelligence that led to the prevention of these things exactly the t.s.a. the machines that they use the magnetometers the body scanners the pat downs none

of these can detect powdered explosives this is the number one tool the terrorists use to make bombs this is what the christmas day bomber use they would not prevent a terrorist action from occurring the only way to prevent that is to stop them from getting to the gate in the first but this we should mention however there was that underwear bomber and the shoe bomber what about those sort of what are the but what about those scenarios those are that's the counter to explosives i was just talking about the underwear bomber the christmas day bomber he was able to get through airport security because of so in that way that he has a was an effective right because he was able to make it through mega-star say he got he got on a plane in amsterdam was coming to the united states had the power of explosives in his underwear and almost you know. if not for the incredible difficulty of creating one of these bombs to begin with he could have caused a major incident to occur he ultimately thankfully was not successful however none of the t.s.a.

actions would have prevented the exact same thing from happening. do you think these pat downs in these body scanners that epic your organization opposes and anyway actually serve to protect americans from don't terrorism you know they are actually security theater they make people feel lot safer they make people think when they get on a plane ok everybody's going through security nobody's going to have a gun or a knife or a bomb but they do actually don't prevent a lot of those things from getting through there's numerous cases of people getting on board air flights with things that should be prohibited and they're really just not making anyone safer really recently actually got the. the survey that we're talking about had a thousand respondents we recently had over twenty two thousand people signed up to ask the t.s.a. to explain why it was implementing this billion dollar security system that didn't work. i think that's that's telling what we would hope that they're at least doing something because it's costing taxpayers it will it cost taxpayers sixty billion

dollars since nine eleven am ploy is sixty two thousand people across the country so i think the hope is there that they're doing something that's effective. the hope is there they're not explaining it of course because a over one year long court order telling t.s.a. that they have to accept public comment provide certain rules and regulations for when they can use the scanning equipment they're not complying with that court order we now have had to go back to the court and ask them to force the t.s.a. to comply with this court order because they're not doing it on their own so without the t.s.a. providing an explanation we can't really even know why they think this this money is effective as we've said it's not why it's needed as we said it's not effective so. despite this the t.s.a. as we just pointed out they have a higher approval rating president obama than you know role in presidential candidate mitt romney much higher approval rating than congress so i mean with

based on what you just said they're not actually that effective so what do you think is going on here if we look at these numbers are the american people missing something well i think again like i said to begin with the number one thing that is driving these numbers up is better training t.s.a. is actually something that travelers deal with on a day to day basis most of the american public do not have one on one interactions with president obama or members of congress they do however get to go to the airport and have a. face to face with members of the t.s.a. and as long as they're trained as long as they're not groping people or needlessly . harassing them we have stacks and stacks of complaints from people since the t.s.a. first instigated these screening technologies the screening procedures of people complaining as long as those numbers are down we can understand that t.s.a. is a proto who wants to go to the airport and be groomed to keep only not a pleasant experience never happened but i would assume and. i know that you have

a court case epic has a court case against d.h. as in the works can you tell us what is the latest on that well we have filed a petition with the d.c. circuit court of appeals asking for them to force the t.s.a. to act now to force them to comply with last year's court order to institue notice and noticing that rule making to implement a rule that would guide security procedures they haven't done that the court has no told t.s.a. told us they have to respond to our petition for a mandamus which is what would force them to act so we are moving forward strongly on that like i said we just had a petition at the white house that garnered over twenty two thousand signatures that asked the white house to ask t.s.a. to explain why they haven't acted yet so people are getting behind the right amy i really appreciate you coming on the show that was amy's to associate litigation counsel for apic. well coming up next is the capital account with lauren lister

let's check in with lauren to see what's on today's agenda lauren what you have going on over there hi there liz well today is and anniversary of sorts it is the fifth anniversary on officially of the financial crisis in the sense that five years ago today the financial system realized something was really wrong this is the day that france's largest bank. shuttered three of its funds with exposure to the u.s. subprime mortgage market banks freaked out they stop lending to each other it triggered a credit freeze central banks stepped in to do something about it and what we saw over the next few years was a cascading effect of the financial crisis we're going to talk about where we are today liz five years later all right that is coming up next lauren thanks for that update but that's going to do it now for the news for more on the stories we covered check out our you tube channel and you tube dot com slash our team america our website arts he dot com slash usa you can also follow me on twitter liz wall

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