coming up this hour you heard it here artie uncovers the truth about a sophisticated surveillance system that can track your every movement so smile for the camera because chances are big brother is watching parties and you're playful break the story down. plus the latest details about the seemingly endless debate over the national defense authorization act better known as andy a well indefinite detentions become as american as apple pie we've got one of the plaintiffs in the case joining us to tell you what this could mean for your civil liberties. plus when it comes to foreclosure fraud can a single person and she what president obama and all of congress haven't been able to tell one woman who is running to be the clerk of court for sure willing to try

to ask her how. good evening it's monday august thirteenth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm christine and you're watching our t.v. let's begin with a closer look at a previously top secret program run by a company you've probably never heard of called abraxas it involves a facial recognition software close circuit cameras and former senior intelligence officials the goal is to collect information about people by recording their faces and their movements and sending that information to a central database center has been studied and combined with other collected intelligence the secret program is called trap wire and was first revealed by wiki leaks and then the hacktivist group anonymous put a video up about it and here's their take. this software is billed as a method by which to prevent terrorism but it can of course also be used to provide

on precedented surveillance and data mining capabilities to governments corporations and other. use technologies. to citizen. this was also a story that our web team here at r.t. america has been all over really laying out the nuts and bolts of it with this story stratfor e-mails reveal secret widespread trap wire surveillance program and to break all this down earlier i sat down with web producer andrew blake himself who broke that story last friday he started off by talking about the amount of media attention being drawn to the issue take a look. the way that this story has quickly spiraled out of control in just three days is almost play make believe but what's actually happening is science fiction so it kind of makes sense so we have to back up to two thousand and four this

company releases a breakfast put together this thing called trouble here and not a lot is known about it right now and it's still not the way it's been all week and we're people trying to dig up information we don't really know that much but we do know abraxas has this program called trap wire the vice president of intelligence there said it's more sophisticated than any facial recognition program out there and they can use these cameras to go in and track someone in wherever they are they're located in so far as the biggest myth piled in cities across the united states so we're talking d.c. to new york chicago los angeles las vegas and there's a connection it goes so much deeper than that too but so what they do is they monitor all these video streams they get sent to a database in nelson center and they can go and they can zoom in on someone they can find out who they are and what they're doing and they can go back and they say they'll walk the katha back and go backwards go in time and they can start off with one suspicious activity report and go to see what this person's been doing and they

can find out who these people are where they're going to go you know it's kind of they're not criminals or suspected terrorists i mean that's what's it that's why it was established that they said this is here. the started traveler back in two thousand and four as a response to kind of like nine eleven but it's everywhere and what i see everywhere we're just starting to find out really how deep this goes because i'm abraxas it's kind of peculiar abraxas was acquired by another company based out of san diego called cubic cuba grap them a few years ago it was twenty ten one hundred twenty four million dollars which is nothing trap lawyer system if you have it installed in certain cities certain states they're spending hundreds of million dollars just just to have that going so cubic took a hold of a practice in turn getting trapped wire in. turn being able to look at anyone anywhere in the city's places like d.c. where you can't swing a dead cat around without hitting something that's considered critical infrastructure sites whether it's like a part of energy satellite office or

a da a hotdog stand or something where anything around in d.c. is going to be considered critical infrastructure site and all these cameras in d.c. for instance are hooked up to the d.c. metropolitan police department who in turn feeds them to track lawyer and they have this massive intelligence database but that's one thing we really have to see how far back this goes because cubic also runs the transportation farecard systems in new york in d.c. in chicago and in los angeles so in a place like d.c. or new york for example you have the same company where you give them your credit card and you bias their card and you get on the train and go anywhere within twenty miles you give that company your information and at the same time they have your face and they're watching you when you get off that train they can find you anywhere in the city and you are referring just a minute ago to the millions of dollars that this program cost where does this

money come from and from what i understand it's often paid for by taxpayers i know l.a. mayor antonio goes it was talking about it recently and here's what he had to say we all need to be vigilant and proactive in protecting our city from terrorist threats would los angeles consistently rank in the top the list of terrorist targets we need your help in keeping watch over our city i watch as a community program that partners new law enforcement officials provides an easy way to report suspicious behavior and activities. so los angeles is believed to send about one point four million dollars a month on this talk a little bit about the money and if taxpayers are even aware that i mean no one was really aware that this was happening until thursday friday and the thing is turbo has been around since two thousand and four and before last week you can go ahead and you can google and you can go to trap wired dot com or dot net rather and find out all about them you can find out about a breakfast but the reason that this is becoming so significant right now is left

weekly he leaks released a new batch of the strafford files that anonymous were able to uncover from the future forecasting intelligence company last year and there's a bunch of communication in there from stratford kind of touting this program is kind of like the be all to end all of big brother like this was this is how we're going to be able to watch everyone and like there they're talking like internal communication and least in these e-mails that are allegedly part of the staff or a talk there are same pretty much we can do anything at one point actually said in d.c. our capabilities are increasing every single day so a lot really isn't known about it let alone where the money's coming from we do know that d.h.s.s. and the d.o.d. have been having some sort of financial ties to them really kind of have to go online and start going through this crazy like worm hole of information on trap wire and you'll be doing it all connection now with wiki leaks you know having this denial of service ok well also that's one thing that we can only speculate on right

now we can lease is being hit by d.d. o. s. attacks for roughly two weeks now and last week it was less wednesday someone from the week at least we are counted said we don't really know why we're getting hit we know we're getting hit with upwards of a bleed gigabits per second worth of traffic attacks and they said one of the reasons could be like a backlash for stratfor e-mails that are about to come out sure enough twenty four hours later that's when we start hearing this so is stress for who you know is always had something against wiki leaks and says hack was delivered from anonymous to them few months ago. are they in orchestrating this infiltration together or you know it's it's no secret that a lot of people are opposed to wiki leaks a lot of people are opposed to julian assad is how many different countries are fighting for him right now and how many different people are upset over the military doesn't that they've leaked so are they related we don't know but it also makes it much more difficult to find out about the trip wires so right now people all over the internet are trying to find a trap or trying to find out about abraxas trying to find out about kubrick there's

all these companies but pretty much what you need to take away from this if anything is that right now across america there is a surveillance system that knows who you are and can watch you and it sounds really really really creepy but that's what's happening but as of now under the data systems across the country are not all connected it's not if you it's not if you know l.a. program sees your face that they can send it to d.c. right move i mean l.a. might not be able to necessarily send it to d.c. but that's actually where it gets a little creepy are these cities there are specific citywide law enforcement agencies have contracts with the traveler and abraxas one really interesting thing though is last year d.c. was putting together a proposal in order to acquire a couple thousand private business surveillance feeds that they would then have routed to the d.c. police department who in turn can then turn them over to trap where so in d.c. for example you have around three thousand cameras that are used in public schools

you have cameras that are used as part of the department of transportation all those road cameras those red light cameras those are going to trust lawyers so you're not safe right now certainly a lot of ways in which the connections are even made and a lot of ways in which they're going to be made even more in the future argue whether diesel engines like thanks for breaking this down for the early days story . well let's talk now about some of dates regarding the national defense authorization act also known as and da white house attorneys have been in and out of court recently defending the provision in m.d.a. regarding indefinite detention they argue that jailing americans indefinitely without trial in some cases is necessary for the safety and security of this country back in may federal court judge catherine forrest ordered a temporary injunction on section ten twenty one of the n.d.a. questioning the constitutionality of indefinite detention but when white house attorneys were questioned this past monday on whether or not they have adhered to these this or that injunction they were less than cooperative in responding earlier

i was joined by activists and journalists tangerine bolen who is also a plaintiff in the case against m.d.a. she discussed the white house's reluctance to disclose information regarding the questions on section ten twenty one take a look. well so i don't attend the hearing last tuesday but i did have attorneys and several supporters who went to the hearing. a few incredible highlights came out about why it is they added a new term which was her cultural attention as a little bit more sinister connotation and definite attention much about it already today actually stated on public record that you think war correspondents could be indefinitely detained under the n d a should so huge of our bowels after every journalist everywhere story they actually said they actually refused to have i and once again with us it was you could force it means even if you're in the presence

or another terrorist group just walking by so or in the vicinity you could be indefinitely detained and i mean most interestingly they actually came out when judge forrest asked and she was sure of the courtroom that the end section twenty one had not apply anywhere in the world as of the main junction and they refused to provide those assurances so well let's break this down because that's a lot of information you just get out there and i know ok so let's talk about i mean this is one of the most fascinating things to me when we talk about journalists war correspondents i know that the case is hedges the obama chris hedges being a journalist who says he himself could be targeted because he's had meetings he's had dinners and lunches and coffee with people considered to be. part of terrorist groups or associating with terrorist groups and he was just doing his job we've got him on the show several times talk a little bit about this what this means. in terms of journalist trying to get

information out there in the future. well it's actually quite distressing because it's criminalizing an aspect of journalism if war correspondents can't do their jobs or it's left to the united states government to determine whether they're independent enough or not and refusing to design but that means it's quite showing on first amendment. so when you talk about also what happened last week which is the obama administration sort of refusing to answer the question about whether or not they've actually been abiding by this injunction what are the implications here . well judge for actually turned around when that occurred and you do understand that the united states government will be held in contempt of court and unfortunately we can't prove the actions i want to apply or not so that maybe we don't want to get into but if we come to regret we certainly would. go that route and the implications. lawlessness the.

government's i mean if they're not invading a federal judge's injunction that's lawlessness i mean it's no less than. i know a tender and you're a plaintiff in this case against the n.d.a. i guess tell us why you feel sort of in a bigger picture here this. bill this piece of legislation signed on new year's eve has such an immense potential to impact you know the future of where this country is headed. well i can only speak from my own experience that the moment was signed into law i just felt this deep sense of dread. i had to kind of wiki leaks and we dealt with them personally directly. the language of the law i think people like me and many other people directly across ours at the end which is absolutely unacceptable i'm exercising my first amendment rights and my rights to be. first of

all liberties so i think i just poses a grave threat to go out of our intact rights and liberties and i think a lot of people who agree with this and are just as disturbed as we are and saying i'm going to the last group that the government attorneys admit it they've painted me in my. basically enemies of the united states or having dared to bring this case forward and i mean i think. along the same lines i mean certainly here at r.t. we have been covering this case pretty exhaustively for some reason this continues to get very minimal attention from the mainstream media and i know you know the national defense authorization act doesn't sound very sexy i know also that you know we're in election season and this is not an issue that will drive a wedge between the president and mitt romney they essentially from what i understand would have the same opinions about this i mean why though this is something that affects everyone in this country why do you think no one's talking

about it. you know i think that's a great question and i mean maybe it's just not a sexy and issue i don't know it's not exciting or something you see it's us it's exciting and it's that incredible song especially when you're able to be there in court. that you know mainstream media just really seems to be reporting on issues and there are concerns of so liberty is and i mean. at this point then they are critical new and so unfortunately i think it's a systemic issue and we really need to obviously encourage me to get back to what matters yes certainly one thing that those who are following this have even said is that this has the potential to ruin a separation of powers by sort of moving this aspect of detention away from the judicial branch under the executive branch these these are huge things that are happening right now and we do appreciate you keeping us posted on you tweet about this quite a bit tangerine bowl and founder and director of revolution truth in

a portland oregon thanks so much. well one of the battleground states in the upcoming presidential election will always be the state of florida and in addition to having a large number of seniors there who vote and also care deeply about issues like medicare and taxes florida also has one of the highest percentages of home foreclosures coming in second place in this nation with ninety one thousand coming only after california and florida in many ways is a microcosm of what's happening around this country but to a larger degree and it turns out many of the foreclosures that have taken place have actually been deemed fraudulent so this means the financial institutions in charge of monthly payments collections a negotiating loan for refinancing and modification they've been charged with what with what's called robo signing meaning they engaged in a number of faulty practices like forging signatures switching dates and in other ways messing up the paperwork that justifies a foreclosure lisa epstein is running for clerk of courts in palm beach county florida and knows about some of these problems firsthand she joined us earlier and

shared her story and her decision to run for office take a listen. well my boy start watching most nations. a medical calls are all cancer battle for unconditionally more good when you're willing to work with like me in our next family he can more simple change thank you thout level then when i see my work situation i notice why i couldn't get anywhere and always paid all my bills on time was very savvy and then you continued to change very serious on started in any way so you know let's put some numbers out from where you're from where you are specifically palm beach county things are pretty dire there in the first quarter of this year forty three percent of homes were considered to be underwater which means homeowners actually owe more on their mortgages than the homes are worth across the united states that number is thirty

one point four percent so fifteen point million borrowers fifteen point seven million borrowers this is according to zillow lisa talk to me about some of the fundamental problems with what you found to be going on i think a lot of people thought that these problems would be fixed right there there is no solution will help more formal for a more serious then a few minor typo we got last week the austin american property rights process all of our founding fathers put in the founding of our car and without the americans. from the ground up the ending up and saying this is wrong this was where are all this would be considered a crime by the laws and they are and by federal law you know we have that we're really not going to be much help for the marking family because our proportionally

aardman is breaking almost elected officials. protecting the financial service. more important. i mean and i think that's a really really good point i mean we're talking about large corporations with large power we're talking about a problem that a whole lot of people have said they plan to deal with and and yet have and so let me ask you i mean as county clerk if elected and by the way we should tell our viewers the election is tomorrow. how much power would you actually have if you are in fact elected. well the clerk of the circuit court is a constitutional office in florida and i do not set policy but what i can do is number one with my class form educate the citizens whom me to represent form open the defense so that affects all of us what effects our property values in our county runs on property tax revenues property taxes are set on the

value of a property owning a massive overlearning all the property we have one of your statistics shows we also have county elected officials across the nation starting to understand and up with people who are less awful so while there is not much one county official can do together county officials across the nation we can so ok we're not going to see much resolution or solution from the federal level we're not see from the state level if there are people that really care enough step out of their comfort zone and run for office we have just they don't or now the north carolina john o'brien now in massachusetts will meaning. register be out in california. there's a sheriff running sheriff elect me to serve in carroll county. north new hampshire

christopher congress there are the clerks in louisiana elected officials across the nation and ending up in the duty function of their role dealing with aig but the bottom line leave it is as you say i mean individually some of these county officials don't have the power but let's let's be honest here this is an issue the president obama has spoken about times and time and time again and i want to play really quick him talking about a deal struck to help borrowers this is him back in february. we have reached a landmark settlement with the nation's largest banks that will speed relief to the hardest hit homeowners and some of the most abusive practices of the mortgage industry and begin to turn the page on an error of recklessness that is left so much damage in its wake so we're talking about the settlement that was reached with banks like bank of america and what was supposed to come out of that it was

supposed to reduce the amount people owe on their mortgage it was supposed to bring bring about lower interest rates and even pay restitution to homeowners who suffered mortgage related abuses i guess i want to know to what extent you know since the settlement happened how has it have things changed where you are i'd like . i don't think there's any. new people getting some offer from the bank. for by alan he brought. back. but every day. i do want to play something that your opponent you're running against sharon she is the incumbent i want to play something she said really quick. as your elected chief financial officer and fiscal watchdog my highest priority is protecting your tax

dollars in this economic environment those tax dollars must be stretched further than ever so it's important for you to know that i'm diligent in my efforts to increase efficiencies and reduce costs within my own organization. so she has in the past called herself its fiscal watchdog but is apparently receive donations from a company called lender processing services which has been sued for fraud on multiple occasions i guess i'm wondering first about your opponent cheryl bach and also on a larger scale about other people in this position why they haven't taken on these big issues do you think that having to do with a well heeled my opponent's credit he did receive a donation a contribution and i believe he returned that i was worried about the group he well that's in fact. need an institution and lender process is rather powerful it has the power and regulatory capture over many of our

prosecutorial. regulatory agency or to turn a general who fired to forty two are investigating a longer process. ongoing and. that we're all looking into what what has to happen people have to be brave enough and are even. to put their own. you do your political future at risk because at the end we elect people to represent all right not just sorry lisa we're out of time but we sure do appreciate you coming on the show today lisa abstain candidate for the pond beach county clerk of courts on primary election is tomorrow. well for more than two decades turkey has been seeking membership to the european union goal that has recently lost much of its appeal thanks to the ongoing euro per crisis financial gloom has caused some turks long term you residents to

head home in search of better jobs and opportunities are to correspondent has arcelor reports. what about five and a half million turks living in the european union their presence is certainly felt in societies in europe but as the e.u. continues to be deep in the red the lure of their original country's economic promise is getting harder to resist and the residents living on this street known as little anatolia say that more and more of their compatriots are thinking of cutting their losses and heading back home like the owner of this snack bar belgian born has been finalizing his plans and is set on relocating his family back to turkey. europe is finished the crisis is getting worse every year is going to continue first greece then spain italy right now belgium there is a lot of stress a lot of taxes. while in turkey every year is very powerful life is good if you can

live well why would you want in belgium it's no longer like this and the numbers say it all the e.u. managed a one point six percent growth in two thousand and eleven while turkey was at about seven point five percent gaining recognition as last year's fastest growing economy in europe while it is expecting a slowdown this year the grass still looks greener on their side and dependence on europe is not quite as it used to be the trade volume used to be very high with the e.u. countries percentage wise that used to be about fifty percent now has gone down to just over forty percent that means we're diversifying our trade more and more trade with african countries asian countries all around the world and this of course has spurred a lot of growth so we need people to be. to manage this we need qualified people personnel so we see that a lot of people are now coming you know second third generation immigrants are coming back home for this purpose but there's another reason why

a growing number of turks want out of the e.u. i think likely now with the crisis what's the result we're rejecting foreigners obviously now that there are fewer jobs less money what happens is priority is first given to the belgians and after the foreigners the turks the moroccans the russians my decision to go back to turkey is economic but also because when there's a crisis there is discrimination if you think of these communities and yet as this migration trend rises turkey is still officially knocking on the e.u. store its candidacy for membership hanging in the balance for the last twenty five years thanks to a long list of requirements to fulfill and political opposition from some e.u. countries people are afraid that that you will come up with more and more excuses even if we do overcome them people say that they'll be other excuses not that it matters any longer for some turks. turkey doesn't need europe it's europe needs turkey in a few years you will see that i mean against turkey becoming part of the e.u.

and right now turkey doesn't seem to be in much of a hurry either does or sylvia r.t. brussels well that's going to do it for us here for now but for more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash r t america we post all of our interviews in full on that website you can also check out our website r.t. dot com slash us a whole lot of stories that we covered here today and a home bunch more that we didn't have a chance to get to and of course as always you can follow me on twitter at christine for we're going to be back here at ten pm eastern. oui oui .