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leap toward privatization. it's friday august seventeenth eight pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching our. well an update now into the cop blocking story we reported a short time ago in new hampshire man was sentenced to almost three months behind bars for a secretly recording police conversations thirty year old adam mueller posted the video on a blog connected to the web site cop blog dot org the claims that this web site claims to hold police accountable for their actions that's right here is where the story started you can see a police officer slamming a teen to the ground this looks like a police brutality directed at a new hampshire high school student while gathering more information on the alleged police brutality he recorded his conversations with police and for that he was

charged with three counts of wiretapping a pete air from cop block dot org joining me earlier and shared his thoughts on the conviction take a listen. disappointed to see the way it went dale made a strong case for himself he stood on his principles he didn't act in the wrong on the day on october fourth when he followed up on the incident that happened at west high school and in fact he did something good he tried to hold a public official accountable for hurting a student but you know regardless of what the verdict was on his case he undoubtedly shared ideas about cellphone or ship and about. personal responsibility and about copland and some other good outlets with a lot of people so there was a lot of good that came from this and it will still continue to come from this do you think that justice was served in this case certainly not i think you know if anybody anybody who looks at this incidents with for more than five minutes will realize that it in a way to do the wrong and that his efforts should be held and that derren murphy

and his colleagues michael valentine the d.a. who tried him and then other colleagues of theirs whose sensually remained silent and allowed for a demo to be brought in front of to court was not a good use of resources and it was does not lead us in the direction that we should be wanting to go if we want to live in a free prosperous society now ultimately what do you think this will do do you think this will scare people away from recording police conversations and making that public as your question and honestly i don't i think you take the pulse of any average person today and most everybody acknowledges the fact that you have the right to record a public official who at the end of the day claims to work for you their salary is paid for by money stolen from you so you have every right to document their actions and tell us more about your website and see your hat they're advertising at cop block dot org what do you hope to achieve through this website what is the purpose of a couple of doors as a decentralized web site we have we accept submissions from

a lot of people around the states around the world now that have had negative interactions with police and individuals and also positive interactions. i don't hate police officers by any means it's just trying to share ideas and ideas about self or shit that individuals at the are responsible for their actions no matter where they happen to work so it's not that we want to in a sense get a way we want to create a lawless society anything but we want to we believe that the goods and services provided by police could better be done through consensual interactions so would you say that website kind of serves to police the police exactly we seek to police the police we have a sister site cop reports dot com where people can share their interactions we encourage people document their interactions police we try to support each other when we're negatively impacted and also going to my goal for the site is for it to not exist we don't do that we live in a society where it's not needed we're people are responsible for their actions or

is today sometimes folks have badges get away with things wrong for you and i now mr miller here is just one example of what kinds of things have you captured and published said on your website what kinds of instances of police brutality are on the flipside police doing you know good things have you been able to capture and make public on your website well unfortunately this was an actual the first time adamle said trial for wiretapping in the last year he and i also had a wiretapping trial in massachusetts in which case the jury in that instance said that we were in the rights and that we hadn't wrong anybody's rights but to look to a specific example of where a complex been affected i would say it would be there are so numerous i would just say the site has grown substantially since its founding over two and a half years ago there's now chapters or offshoots in dozens of cities across the states and elsewhere and you know essentially we're encouraging people to stay out of what they know is right to document their interactions and to support each other and to not not be led by fear but you know be led by their conscience and.

hopefully we get to like i said that scenario where every good or service is provided through concern for your actions including the good. protection security and how effective has the web site and cop lock arc in terms of holding police accountable for their actions it's a good question and one i honestly can't answer with any objective metrics what we try to do is share ideas that an individual again owns themselves and we and that those ideas you know they can have a deep impact on somebody today or maybe next year but what i know from for example the most recent situation with a dam oh based on the coverage that i got from r t n n numerous other media sources there's been hundreds of thousands of people that have are now familiar with their situation and a lot of them the bulk of them come down on the side that what it will face and what people similarly situated face is not something that they support not something that they would voluntarily choose to pay for so if anything it only

further erodes the claim legitimacy of these public officials and we have covered a lot of these instances where people have been punished basically for recording police officers but for the most part it is legal to do so cracked yet is and it's interesting to see you know i would point out the difference between law and legislation law being natural common or god's law and legislation being man made an arbitrary and you see this with filming police officers for example how it differs based on arbitrary political boundaries you have in one instance the folks that work at oakland police department saying that we would never dream of taking somebody recording device and we actually encourage them to film whereas other police departments proactively take people's property they still are property and a sense try to chill them from documenting their interactions taking their cameras so but again with with the traditional gatekeepers of information losing their

grip on the free flow of information cop lock and other alternative media sites are having a huge impact and people around the world. are seeing that you know it doesn't make sense coercion is not the way to to operate your life but instead volunteer actions are much better it seems like we're seeing a lot more of these videos coming our police kind of cracking down on those that do record than and do try to expose what they're doing why do you think that as a there are police officers in these jurisdictions unaware of the law or what do you think is going on so your question i would honestly say it's a natural consequence of the perverse incentives that exist because of this institution of law enforcement today it said that certain people have an exclusive right to provide law enforcement they have a legitimate right to negotiate force and any time you give some you allow somebody to have the right then it just sets up a bad situation where first they say we're going to steal your money to them to

protect your rights there's no way those actors employed and then it's the touche and could never do anything of the sort and instead that's why we would i would advocate that those goods and services such as protection and policing be provided consensually i often have conversations with police officers and and if they're willing to have an open mind a conversation than that to me says quite a bit and i say i say you probably work with some folks who are heavy handed or maybe even corrupt and you know they might acknowledge it and i say well one should prefer to work in a situation where that wasn't the case and undoubtedly they would so how do you best get there it's not to provide this one size fits fits all top down monopoly with more money but to advocate for a better alternative very interesting really appreciate you coming on the show that was pete air from cop block aargh. flock of high oakland has a new target president obama protesters decided to occupy his campaign office on

thursday about one hundred protesters calling for the release of u.s. army soldier private first class bradley manning invaded the campaign offices they stayed inside for three hours bringing business to a halt where they were later forced out by police are to correspond a remote glinda joins us now live from l.a. with more hi ramon so what exactly were these people protesting. that's right liz we saw several arrests happen there in oakland there were actually several arrests in portland as well as a group of manning supporters conducted several protests up and down the west coast now in oakland where dozens of people showed up the supporters of manning there were trying to deliver a couple of demands to president obama first of all they want president obama to apologize to bradley manning we remember last year president obama during a fundraiser said that. manning one had committed

a crime now in the eyes of many of his supporters this really creates an environment where bradley manning won't be able to get a fair trial given the fact that the commander in chief has already pretty much rendered him guilty in this trial saying that he has committed a crime and second of all the supporters of bradley manning also want president obama to step in and to him to guarantee that many another u.s. soldiers are not punished before they go to trial now there's been a lot of world right worldwide criticism over the treatment of bradley manning while incarceration by the u.s. government in fact the u.n. torture chief called his treatment degrading even you know former spokesperson of this the state department p.j. crowley said that it was stupid and counterproductive what they were doing to manning so definitely still a lot of anger over the way that manning is being treated so far in these protests that we saw yesterday are

a new sign that bradley manning supporters are really stepping up their pressure on the obama administration now how would you describe the protests are mounted they remain mostly peaceful or did things turn violent. right from the demonstrations that we saw yesterday everything was peaceful there did seem to be video of scuffles that happened between the obama campaign workers there at the office in oakland and the demonstrators not completely sure what led to that but for the most part the demonstrators displayed peaceful disobedience decided to stay locked in that obama campaign office and really taking their message directly to the president they were assured that the letter that the address of the president was going to be sent to the national campaign so the definitely hoping that their message to give bradley manning a fair trial does get to the white house and bradley manning has been behind bars for quite some time now is there any significance or amount to the timing of these

protests i mean we've been covering extensively a new twist in julian assange. you know his saga now being stuck in that embassy is there any significance to the timing no definitely this coincides with the asylum requests or the granted to julian assange now a lot of the supporters of bradley manning believe that the work of weiqi leaks and even even though there is no proof so far that bradley manning was in fact the person who leaked these documents to wiki leaks they know that the principle of free speech and the fact that all these secrets were exposed about the iraq war about the afghanistan war i mean they definitely think that there is a coordinated attack about against both leaks and again in the prosecution of bradley manning that this is an assault on free speech and really an assault on peace so ultimately what were they protesters trying to achieve.

i was you mentioned earlier there's still a lot of fear because many of bradley manning supporters really really think that not only has president obama. prematurely convicted and tried bradley manning but many in the media have also tried him and convicted him as well if you look at. a lot of recent mainstream media corporate media reports there are reports that bradley manning is for sure the leaker yet he still has not gone to trial there are some pretrial hearing still to be done later on this month and and what they want to change the conditions out there has been pressure before from the u.n. and other human rights groups over the way that he was treated at quantico yes since been moved but they still believe that the treatment that he has been receiving is completely unfair considering that he is a war veteran and of course occupy oakland was kind of a hot bath where

a lot of the where we saw these images of police brutality during the occupy wall street protests this protest and in relation to bradley manning at how does that compare to some of the other protests occupy wall street protests or occupy oakland protests rather that we've seen in the past in terms of police response. that's right this police response was definitely not as aggressive as the ones that we have seen before now we we have to remember that following the response of oakland police to the occupiers there have been several vesey gay sions several watchdog groups and even government groups have condemned the oakland police department for their response to the occupy protests so we have definitely seen a very heavy police response to previous level of new protests occupy protests in the weeks previous to last night some inspiration we deceive

a much more subdued police force here even trying to negotiate with some of the demonstrators who threw out stayed peaceful and in and the police assured them that they were going to try to do their best to get their demands sent to the national campaign office of the obama administration and we should also mention their amount because during occupy oakland we we kind of highlighted scott olsen the iraq war veteran who kind of became his household name when he was seriously injured by police he was also in attendance right. that's absolutely right he was one of several activists and military veterans who conducted the sit in there at the obama campaign office now he was allowed to leave however six others were arrested he was able to come out and speak to the media and really give their side of the story i mean they are very concerned about the wars that we are fighting abroad and they

know that and they point to the importance of weak leaks which pointed out that the administration and many in the government wanted to remain in iraq even longer than we did so they feel that it's very important the work that joining the songe and weekly says and if bradley manning was is to be proven to be the leaker then what he did was heroic and. not treasonous like many people have painted him to be. thanks so much for staying on top of this story that was our t. correspondent ramon going down millions of years ago before the human race existed and adventure began. an adventure the ultimate leads man to confront is destiny. exploration. and that was a clip from stanley kubrick's one thousand nine hundred sixty film two thousand and one space odyssey exploration is continuing but with nasa retiring its space

shuttle program last year the space race is taking on a whole new meaning once one symbolic of a country's political progress the space race seems to be becoming a commercial race and last year about a dozen companies have stepped up to develop space shuttles to explore the final frontier most notably space x. which launched its space crafts to the international space station last spring so what are the pros and cons of opening up space to private companies for more on that i was joined by dr scott pace director for space policy institute and george washington university we first discussed the benefits of bringing the private sector into the space race. but one of the obvious benefits of bringing the private sector in of course is increased efficiency of the private sectors played a large role in the u.s.'s basic cities for of course many many years i mean very very few government employees actually build spacecraft and build rockets or some

of the boat that work is really done in the private sector so the first thing you look for its efficiency and flexibility in the question is whether they can. do the job. ok in terms of commercializing space exploration or making space travel available for regular people i mean how soon are we looking for this. this change to happen well i think a number of people been looking for it for the last two decades and i've been disappointed that it hasn't come out yet we've been delivering cargo to space for a long time privately really question i think you're touching on is when are people going to be able to go up in space tourists are going to be able to go up i think the first step is probably going to be sub orbital flights that is people going up not all the way to orbit but enough to see the curvature of the earth and get a sense of weightlessness but taking people all the way to orbit is

a much more challenging activity. some people are hoping for as soon as you know maybe two thousand and seventeen you know maybe five six years from now others think it might take another ten years just it depends on how the technology goes and really how well we do on safety when you say space tourism who exactly do you think of these space taras that these space tourists will be. to who you know be able to cool access to going to space sure well we have space tourists already some who reported on the order of twenty million dollars to go to the space station aboard a russian so used vehicle russia has been a pioneer in space tourism if you will. and then the question is is how does the market expanded hugo come down in price so instead of twenty million dollars flight or a billionaire it may be a ten million dollar flight a million dollar flights how many people would be willing to go if it was say the

same as a trip to antarctica you know there was a time when only naval ships went to antarctica and then there was a time when it was done with private companies and of course now tourists can go to antarctica so depends on the price point right now at the beginning it's going to be extremely wealthy individuals who are doing a very unique adventure in the future it may be more common. but it's still going to be an extremely extreme high end sort of travel like say wait maybe you could see antarctica and other exotic locations being today right so we're not talking about space exploration being accessible to just anybody. disneyland has nothing to fear from the people visiting there but it is something that can become more accessible with time big question is whether or not the safety and price points are going to be demonstrated and really how soon just how big of

a market do you think commercial space exploration is i mean how much of a demand is there for people to to dish out the dough to go into outer space. well again i think it depends on the price and if things like i think going all the way to orbit are going to still continue to be i think very very expensive and i think that market will be very small and we're limited essentially to two very high wealthy individuals i think space tourism sobel little flights i think there is maybe a more steady market in that again you can see markets for people taking flights in high performance the fighter aircraft there are flights in russia for example on big twenty nine. that are that are done for several tens of thousands of dollars if you can imagine a few hundred thousand dollars for a sub sub orbital mission that might be on the order of thousands of individuals certainly numbers like that have been seen in weightless flights we there are aircraft which to give people

a sense of martian gravity or gravity with zero gravity or commercial aircraft and there are thousands of individuals who have done that so the interest is there the question is again whether the safety and the prices are going to be there now beyond space tourism what other incentives are there for companies to explore space i mean what is out there for humans and what is the space friends here hoping to try to find. well one of the ways and this may be a kind of an academic answer but one of things we tell students is that we have big questions like is there a human future in space i mean some people think the answer is yes other people think no and of course both answers are interesting if we don't have a future beyond the planet that's a big deal if we do have a future that the big deal and it depends on whether or not we can live off the land can we use local resources or do we always have to come home or is there anything useful to do out there is i think commercial to pay our way if both

answers are yes then you get space settlements you get space as something like coming to the new world if the answer is no the navy space is some form of mount everest that maybe tourists or adventurers go to that people don't really live there maybe spaces like antarctica where we have scientists go their own outposts maybe we have tourists visit but nobody really has a large community there or maybe it's like an oil platform where people work but they really don't live there there's many many different possible futures in space we just don't know which one is right i guess the possibilities are endless so we are seeing more private interest and exploring steadily more and more company is like space x. virgin galactic i mean what kind of technological innovations are we seeing from private companies like these. well i think one of the things that they bring certainly is because some efficiencies and innovations the difficulty is rocket

technology is not the same as information or computer technology i think we're very used to. information technology has changed really rapidly certainly the computer you have today is very different than the one you may have had ten years ago but rocket engines haven't changed that much machinery to operate such high performance is still very expensive and very difficult to to use and so the interesting question is whether or not companies like virgin galactic and space x. can. to really bring down the prices from what we've been used to in the past certainly if we keep doing things the same old way will get the same old thing so it's good that there's innovators out there but demonstrating that they are really going to make a price break through and do so safely and safely and reliably is still something that hasn't been demonstrated but i think that's again why the experiment is worthwhile they think there's an opportunity and it's probably in everyone's interest to hope basically so will you we are seeing the shift of it space exploration from the public to the private sector you know used to be that

different countries were were kind of competing too in terms of you know their accomplishments and getting into outer space whether it be the moon or beyond alternately the shift from the public to the private sector i mean do you see this as a good thing what does it mean ultimately for space exploration well it means there's more and more diverse markets i mean it used to be that communications satellites were something only governments could afford and then of course private companies built communications satellites the first g.p.s. satellites were course for military purposes and now everybody has g.p.s. in their car so what's happened is something that starts off being something that only governments can support then become something that industry is able to use and then finally many cases it's something that individuals and consumers can have access to but not everything works like that and information technology is going down one path whether or not space tourism is going to be that like the aircraft

industry is something we're on the edge of but we haven't yet crossed over into. well that's going to do it for us but before we go we want to give you a preview of some of the stories that are on deck for next week and we are as financial show plant money could have a conflict of interest it gets financial bank backing from one of the biggest banks involved in the great auto bailout so what is the image they want to give off to listeners and what n.p.r. ever bite the hand that feeds them plus big brother may be soon watching you on the clock if not a software company is experiencing an increase in orders from the federal government to spy on employees at work so what privacy do you really have left these days and earlier this week we told you about guns made from a special printer but what if i told you that researchers are working on a prototype for principle meat i can see it now instead of going to the butcher for

a sleighs of this and a pound of that shoppers truck over to their local office depot for this need replacement so as a global solution to starvation is this what we're seeing or the bio engineering industry just taking things too far will get to the bottom of it next week those are just a few of the stories we have in store for you along with more news and in-depth interviews so keep it tuned right here to our team. that's going to do it for now for more on stories with coverage check out our you tube channel youtube dot com slash r t america you can also head over to our website artsy dot com slash usa and you can follow me on twitter at liz wall back here at ten pm.

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