camps for up to one hundred twenty thousand so it looks like the ultimate plan is to intervene militarily here a state department spokesperson victoria nuland as the secretary said to me we're in istanbul we have to first of all look at the hastening the day some of the effectiveness what we're already doing the ground situation that we are seeing which is changing and evolving and what more could be done by our allies and partners to support the syrian opposition. but how does the public feel about another military conflict the polls say there isn't strong public support take a look at this poll sixty three percent of americans favor a multilateral economic sanctions fifty eight percent support u.s. and its allies and forcing no fly zones two thirds support the idea of enforcing save havens inside syria by arab league by the arab league and turkey forty eight percent favor sending weapons and other supplies to rebels forty seven percent

oppose overall a little support for u.s. ground troop involvement. what they discuss us foreign policy and syria i'm joined now by cole bokken fell director for advocacy for the project on middle east democracy coal welcome thank you so what do you think about those figures overall it seems that americans aren't overwhelmingly on board with the idea of direct intervention yeah i think that is generally true i think some of the comments that you see from condi rice and john mccain it's interesting that those aren't reflective of the romney campaign's position that they're actually much further in front of him and his positions very consistent with the administration at this point i don't think there's a lot of appetite for much more than we're seeing right now. as we just saw we saw mccain and rice really pushing for military intervention mccain really criticizing obama for not doing enough over there. and you could see it was interesting you could see the attendees of the event at the r n c they seem to be on board seem to

kind of be in support but you don't see in the kind of you do not see the kind of passionate support years ago in private at the prior conventions where people were so ramped up and hyped about going into afghanistan going into iraq what do you think the reasoning is behind that do people not really understand the conflict in syria because it's more complicated and more not as relevant what do you think or i think i think of course the examples of iraq and afghanistan it was do very different time in the wake of nine eleven and people had much more of an appetite to go after our enemies abroad and the u.s. was very much under threat by these regimes as to when not the case with syria it's a much more difficult case and that's why even the proponents of intervention will much more likely point to humanitarian intervention rather than the existential threat of this regime to the u.s. or its allies in the region so it seems this time around that foreign policy is kind of on the back burner it doesn't have as much passion or there's not that much

interest these days over much so i think even even among. in the new conservative the right community there's a lot of criticism about the romney campaign not speaking very very much on foreign policy and national security issues the way the republican party has done historically and socially a lot of the positions so far have essentially boiled down to what we would we would do with the administration but we would do it sooner and tougher but when you really try and deal and tease out some specifics on there a little bit light and that's what i think a lot of the community would like to see more details on this new some alternatives to what they do right and but what we what we are seeing is these top figures kind of taking this very hard line stance when it comes to syria and the u.s. off dead and what we have been seeing is taking this more noninterventionist approach in terms of doing things not not as blatantly about doing things for more behind the scenes and based on that poll that we just saw it appears that that's

what americans would favor and yet that is seems to be really at odds with what is being pushed by some of these figures within the g.o.p. why do you think there is this disconnect here well i think a lot of the a lot of the sentiment is coming from the new conservative wing of the republican party where the ideas of intervention based on based on human rights and democracy and so on are still very popular and these are a lot of bush administration officials that still very much believe in that school and that's cool thought is not one that's been primarily reflected in the campaign and as you mentioned earlier i think it's something where there's much of the same environment the same mood in u.s. public opinion on how we're going to approach these problems do you think that you mentioned the bush administration sentiment do you think that the romney campaign sentiment mimics that of the bush administration in terms of their hard line stance on foreign policy was a little bit early to tell just because they haven't really spoken in detail about

a lot of this i mean what you can see is that a lot of the campaigns advisors their foreign policy advisers are made up of a lot of former of minutes. gratian bush administration officials so it is you know you can draw those lines but i guess that i think on both sides of the debate people want more details to sort of see where they come down on these debates. we are seeing this rhetoric do you think it is a sign that military intervention in syria at this point is inevitable i don't think so i think there's a lot of rhetoric i think both the french president and president obama have recently sort of staked out red lines that i think were implied especially with the use of chemical weapons as obama said he said well that would change my calculus on military intervention but but the signals a move toward intervention i don't think so i don't think we're close to there i think right now the strategy is much more undermining us support internally from different from different directions. you know we are based on this rhetoric is seems like there there is this this push to portray it as black and white the

syrian. conflict in syria as a black and white kind of good versus evil almost this symbol of simplification of what is going on there do you think it could be a disservice by characterizing it like that when in fact what's going on there is quite complicated was definitely very complicated and i think that's really would tendered the administration for making more decisive action a lot of what they've been doing is spending a lot of time really trying to get to know the opposition the differences between the internal opposition versus the extra opposition the influence of outside actors where different communities fall on the spectrum and until they can sort of get a better map a better sort of spectrum of this i think that will hold back really a lot of action ok i want to switch gears a little bit i want to play a clip from you from newly elected dejection president mohamed morsy let's first take a listen to. the. are solidarity with the struggle

of the syrian people against an oppressive regime that has lost its legitimacy is an ethical duty and a political and strategic necessity we all have to announce our full solidarity with the struggle of those seeking freedom and justice in syria we must translate the sympathy into a clear political vision that supports a peaceful transition to democratic system of rule this will reflect the demands of the syrian people for freedom. ok so we have very strong words there from this from morsi what do you think he meant by by that what exactly did he mean by that kind of support or i think morsi of course just just until recently until he came into power he was on the side of the freedom fighters the dissenters and so on and so i think he's sending a message to the syrian people that we're with you and this is a very big shift i think for egypt and particular i mean this message delivered in

iran it will have big impact. called thank you so much for coming on and coming into the stereo the appreciate it that was called bach and fell director of advocacy for the project on middle east democracy we turn now to a multi-state foreclosure settlement targeting the five largest banks the twenty five billion dollars settlement was loud as a bipartisan effort to bring the banks to justice for kicking millions of people out of their homes the banks were accused of engaging in the practice of a robo signing but it looks like the banks are being punished at all that's because they didn't actually have to cough up most of the fines and cold hard cash to discuss this and more it was joined by david de ed blogger for firedoglake he first explain to us this practice of robo signing. well there was a massive amount of fraud up and down the chain you know starting from origination all the way through the way that these loans were securitized and sold into the

marketplace all the way up to loan modifications and foreclosures i mean there are stories of massive service or abuse which was also covered in this settlement people who were foreclosed on when they didn't actually even have a mortgage anymore that they had paid it off people whose payments were misplaced and then after a couple years put in the foreclosure i mean i don't think there's anyone who has escaped the massive amounts of abuse and fraud that were up and down the chain in the housing market that would you say because of these reckless practices that people were wrongly foreclosed on. absolutely i mean you can just look at. at some of the few investigations that we have into these practices i mean it's not just just robo signing which you discussed but it is losing the chain of ownership on these loans so that i mean we have we have cases of two banks

closing a foreclosure on on the exact same house because the banks lost track of who actually owns the loan so that the right person has the means to foreclose and this gets back to you know the rule of law and property rights which are hundreds and hundreds of years old and and what some economists say are what what delineates developed nations from from developing nations so. this is really serious stuff that was done and as i guess we're going to talk about the settlement itself was really not even a slap on the wrist and you know want to play this clip from president obama after the settlement came out kind of praising what has what the settlement was all about let's take a listen to what. we have reached a landmark settlement with the nation's largest banks that will speed relief to the

hardest hit homeowners and some of the most abusive practices of the mortgage industry and begin to turn the page on an error of recklessness that has left so much damage in its wake well they say of president obama and other politician lauding the settlement as bringing relief to homeowners but have homeowners really see significant relief. not very much yet we just got a report from the office of mortgage settlement oversight this is the monitor that was put in place to basically find out how much relief has gotten too from the banks to homeowners and you know there was a big top line number that was put out saying consumers get ten point six billion dollars in relief sadly. how bad actually worked out on a second i'm sorry. how that actually worked out was that eight point six billion the ten points six billion was from short sales and now what

a short sale is it's basically a foreclosure without the messy process i mean a short sale is where a homeowner who's underwater does a sale of the home and then the bank forgives the difference between the actual sale price and the end result price. how much they owe on the mortgage so it's basically the bank saying ok we know that you're underwater there's no way you're ever going to get this this right and we're going to forgive the rest of that balance but what happens in that case is that the homeowner loses the home they get out without having to go through the foreclosure process they don't. they you know they don't get a credit hit but really this is something the banks have been doing for at least

over a year now they scape having to deal with the foreclosure process which has been tripping them up because of the documentation errors that we've discussed they get the sale price that is probably higher than what they would get post foreclosure and you know they're in better shape and it makes economic sense for them so the idea is this is a punishment that. that they can satisfy some of this settlement through short sales is is really ridiculous because it's something they were already doing before the settlement and something they're happy to do because it makes economic sense for them in these cases where they're going to foreclose on this borrower anyway ok so you think this practice of dancing you know the bank using the practice short than kind of gaming the system well partially i mean a short sale is certainly a better idea than a foreclosure what it isn't is a punishment i mean the banks make out fairly well the homeowner makes

a better than in a foreclosure but it doesn't the homeowner does not get to keep their home and there is a bit of a gaming of the system going on because basically what the bank is doing is saying we're not going to go after you for the rest of that money if we get a sale price is less than what you were on the mortgage we're not going to go after you at a later date for rest of that money one twelve states in the country which are non-recourse states the banks can't go after someone for the rest of that money in the event of a foreclosure or a short sale or anything so what you have is a bank getting credit for a punishment for a penalty that they have to pay for something that they couldn't actually do which is go after a borrower after they sell the home in a deficiency judgment or whatever you want to call it so there is some gaming going on and about. mentioning those twelve states five billion of the eight point six or

eight point seven billion that actually has been. counted by the office of mortgage settlement oversight in the short sales were in non-recourse states particularly in california and arizona. in the end here david are our banks really being held accountable. i mean just have to look at it this way the settlement has been in place for six months after this six months there have been seven thousand borrowers who have gotten relief in terms of a principal reduction which was the purpose of the consumer relief we were told at the beginning when the settlement was and we were told that a million people would benefit from these these issues and you know the settlement itself was twenty five billion dollars when we have seven hundred billion dollars in negative equity it was always a slap on the wrist before but as we see it roll out. a very very small

amount of people actually getting the relief that they were promised and most of the money is you know most of the credit for. the on the part of the banks is being done in things that they were already doing and i don't know how you can call that punishment at all david very interesting thank you so much for coming on the show that was david diane blogger for firedoglake well it's been nearly three months and founder julian assange refuge inside the ecuadorian embassy in london after being granted asylum by president rafael a legal firestorm erupted fighting over a songes state's brand has promised. the moment he leaves the embassy making a trip to the airport all but impossible most recently vice president met with british foreign minister william hague to further discuss details though few

details about that exchange have come to light so far the two countries seem to be in the middle of a strange dance spokesperson did say however that the to quote discuss the situation regarding mr julian assange and his presence in the embassy of aqua door in london confirming their commitment to dialogue to find a diplomatic solution to the matter. as always for the latest on a songe and wiki leaks tune in here to r.t. . and speaking of wiki leaks accused leaker bradley manning continues to sit in jail waiting for a trial this week pretrial hearings resume get again this time focused on allegations of his mistreatment while in custody for the latest on the bradley manning case we were joined by kevin to still love fire dog lake take a look. well we got a date today for the trial february fourth that's being widely reported right now because that's big news and it and it's good to know that it's moving along because there's been many issues with getting evidence of the defense has had to fight for

certain evidence so it appears that this day is probably going to be pretty solid i mean we've already been delayed once there was a september date for the trial but this is something for people to keep in mind because also on the calendar now is debate over a speedy trial motion so lawyers intend to bring arguments that manning hasn't been given a speedy trial and that he should have you know some remedies some sort of maybe you know time served added on or maybe a shortening of the sentence for the fact that he's languished in prison for so long can you talk more about that the defense pushing for that or his right to a speedy trial right i mean you know in the military you have to have do you get charged you know within one hundred twenty days there has to be some action taken towards the trial and there's this other thing of you know if the prosecution isn't doing diligence isn't you know reasonably moving along with the proceedings and you

can make a case that you're not being granted a speedy trial what's interesting in this case is because of its extensiveness because it involves so many government agencies one of the ways they've excused it delaying and dragging on this long is because they have to go to so many agencies and ask for information and they in a way there's been some stops and starts that they've used and said that they're getting around some of these issues that might be raised in a speedy trial argument all right and i know that most recently some of the controversy yesterday the defense and the prosecution were arguing over the is hundreds of e-mails and documents that. that i guess detail the conditions that he was subjected to mile he was. held in custody in this military a president did any more details in those e-mails come out today no because the judge was actually overwhelmed i mean she's got to look at not only

seven hundred e-mails that she has to make a decision to hand over to the defense but she's also got to go through we're talking about thirteen hundred e-mails from commanding officers at the quantico marine brig and she's got to decide whether to hand over these other seven hundred to the defense so we only know what we knew on tuesday we know the little bits of details that david coombs manny's defense lawyer has shared which is that they would be confirming that this commanding general whose name was flynn had made the order to keep bradley manning in suicide risk in prevention of injury status ok and so today kind of significant that we do have this preliminary trial dates and that brings up a whole nother issue here many people arguing whether or not bradley manning will be able to whether or not a fair trial is even possible for him. definitely i think you know that's always an

issue with a military justice case and i think especially in this instance because we're talking about documents that exposed government misconduct or abuse we're talking about a case where the defense is going to raise whistleblower like arguments and they definitely are going to be concerned about the fact that the people they're arguing against are the government and then the judge is this military justice lawyer who answers to the government or is part of the military and so i think that's something that will factor into the case you can't ignore it and you're also going to have to expect that the prosecution as they've been doing all along will continue to guard certain evidence and secrets possibly closed portions of the trial so that certain elements do not get out to the public right kevin really appreciate you staying on top of this case that was having a stolen blogger for firedoglake well that's going to do it for now but for more on

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imax kaiser this is the kaiser report yeah now i know i jamie diamond doesn't come on the show stacey max the first headline might have something to do with that a condom. just appearing on max keiser show forced to resign this is on forbes magazine max and in an email confirming the action sandeep jaitley explained to me apparently they don't want to burn bridges at the gold standard institute and i take this to mean bridges with large benefactors and partners however jaitley is unfazed and values to continue his work including a ph d. acceptance speech on the lewd big gone missing split from carl manga and eugene von bone bay work regarding certain aspects of interest rate theory but. you say i figured out that the whole mazes institute was populated with dangerous ideologues

and that these guys formed the basis for the corruption on wall street for the financial terrorism on wall street they refer to the media's institute as their ideological framework that's why they're dangerous ideologues that we have a guest on the show just talking about it in general terms he's fired now what do you see that saudi arabia iraq afghanistan i mean you see this in totalitarian regimes of course i knew this was the case and that's where we're coming in after the maze of well as forbes says i like send because he challenges orthodoxy and a thoughtful way aside from the illuminating monetary debate sparked by as a guest on the kaiser report the forced resignation of an economist is both interesting and disturbing well if they're there they're fake libertarians out there in the u.s. people who call themselves libertarian or not they're fake they're fake austrian school adherents and the whole ion room school is. from here to sunday the whole

all those guys are the fake ideologues that are fueling the basis of the jamie diamond's the the alan greenspan's the lloyd blankfein the terrorism so let's move on to this next headline max group occupy protester accused of bank robbery for holding your being robbed sign an occupy easton protester faces. and attempted bank robbery charge following an arrest that an organized event at a bank during which the occupier was holding a sign that reportedly read you're being robbed dave grusin skee allegedly held cardboard signs outside a wells fargo branch that read you're being robbed while the other said give a man a gun he can rob a bank give a man a bank if he can rob a country the thing that got the police called however was that he was protesting outside bank of america and an employee activated the panic alarm oh right what you know were some panic button words or panic alarm bank of america ploy inside the

bank saw somebody pointing out the fact that bank of america is stealing money so they have the passwords aren't perfect but it gets them actually max when we were pushing the panic button when we were saying there's fraud happening in the system there's manipulation happening in the system there's a fake bubble in the system we're pressing the panic button and here's what was told to the global you know panic button pushers this is a clip that somebody sent me from two thousand and seven bertie ahern he was the prime minister of ireland at the time here he is talking about the naysayers those pushing the panic button sitting on the sidelines or on the fence crippen a moment is a lost opportunity in fact i don't know how people who engage in dot don't commit suicide that's right that was the response at the time that the market fundamentalism the side the ology that's pushed by the freaks on these think tanks whether it's measles or adam smith institute they get these folks around the world like bertie ahern who's

a market fundamentalists of the time to suggest that for anyone challenging them they should commit suicide instead when they should have been pushing the panic button and say women will find interest on this show and first patrick is a terrorist he's talking over a budget system we did get put some perspective didn't want to know bertie ahern was there in front of his compatriots justifying the whole sale rape of his country thanks. well you know there's mass hunger desperation poverty people having to forced to leave ireland because bertie her hern was telling people to commit suicide in fact people are now committing suicide because at the time bertie ahern was telling the journalist the people who were speaking up about the fraud in the system he told them to commit suicide and notice that the industry the mainstream media in that moment with him were laughing. yes tell those naysayers who want to pop our bubble that they should go commit suicide

also paul morse and top regulator is bust turn whistleblower that hundred million people have been put into poverty as a result of bertie ahern in the financial crisis starting in two thousand and seven many will die many millions will die and they're laughing about it they're laughing about this financial holocaust they think it's a joke so you know here on the show we also cover the fact that these same guys bertie ahern when normal people out there are saying you know there's something going wrong with our financial system there's many people ation and fraud in our financial markets this property bubble this must be based on fraud because there's no way for the incomes to sustain that debt and he tells those people to go commit suicide so when the top when those one percent that he helped let's see what happens when these guys become negative and down on what the government is doing and piece anger over g four s. damaging to economy one of g four s. is largest shareholder.