oh it's. the last part as i say don't blame us regular hundred filibusters it's never happened to us through the united states the overlaying one was there but the democrats they're both they're both equally complicit in a scheme to ignore the actual problems you guys are talking about hillary can you roll with anything that's in their mission from day one they've refused to even blink across the aisle let alone law when was the last time democrats introduced the budget we have entered two thousand and nine thousand had over a thousand days that if you guys got a budget the budget and it would have all looked at i want to know one vote for either pump unanimously no in the senate last year or the ninety seven zero one vote it was broke obama's latest budget what was going serious that was that was a procedural mess and again it was because because john boehner and it because barack obama thought he had to deal with john boehner and then eric cantor came along and said i'm going to do a power play and put the shiv in the back of john boehner and all the sudden everything blows up i mean reduce the budget that called for more money then congress would ever have given him more money that he wanted more money every year

is rewarding money but always has been so strong in washington it's called the foundation and a lot of the people that act like are says that in every single case broke obama asked for more money in a federal budget that he got every single time he wanted more money wouldn't you think reagan this is that i guess i'm right i don't mean all that we let them bring him into office the bus it was the budget deficit sorry but the national debt was one trillion when he left office it was two trillion dollars we saw he was retreating. he was greatly going to learn about it might look where we are in the eight hundred road and want to hand it out as five trillion and now that that one in five years ago twice as obama's twice as much the debt than bush did in eight years now yes sorry not even close that bush has added that to the budget we are looking at two bush's wars we're looking to bush's recession we're looking at lucia's tax credit actually because of the same coin as in germany and what has been maintained as republicans in the house of representatives represent is that maintaining our speaking of paul ryan let's turn to paul ryan's speech here was one

of the many many half truths and misleading statements that paul ryan laid out this speech and foremost. a lot of guys i went to high school with worked at that g.m. plant right there at that plant candidate obama said i believe that if our government is there to support you this plant will be here for another hundred years that's what he said in two thousand and eight well as it turned out. that plant didn't last another year it was locked up in empty to this day. and that's how it is in so many towns where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight so the recovery that obama was supposed to bring us didn't happen and that factory got closed down and i don't think anybody in the audience thought he was condemning george w. bush but take a look at this picture and we're going to put the picture. oh it's full. this

is the last vehicle off the janesville assembly line and it's been donated to the. in the cube ok i donated to the united way of north rock county december twenty third two thousand and eight this was a plant that was closed during the presidency of george w. bush why is paul ryan talking about this it's an absolute joke because listen presidents do not create jobs ok governments do not create jobs my solution is why is the guy running for vice president up their line about you know i don't think he was lying at all he probably thought he was in line here he what he really think that all of us republicans in that audience thought that he was condemning i don't push no i don't think that all that ever said that but he presented two facts he said barack obama he came here he stood here and he said this plan going to close down if i'm elected it'll be here for one hundred years from now and then he said and then paul ryan said now that he had to tax it was fact fact one obama said he'd fix it back to its close now broken promise and now liberate are dealing with it if

dissonance it's caused by the failure of their great leader he didn't say that it's going to make that claim he said that the role of government should to hear why it is same way that paul ryan implied that it was that follow their plants like it was the workers here we don't want and it is then you wait it that it was obvious that the model that will come out that plan back obama with a candidate that never said he was responsible democrats knowing that he was actually was responsible or trying to defend it i mean they're going to get a big concert responsible for something that occurred before you with pride and you know i thought he was commander in chief when the united states government assumed control of the largest audience auto manufacturer in the united states is what john case it was bragging about about hey you know i always back but instantly if you have a good joke and it's a hell of a fallacy to think that a president or a governor or someone is really responsible for job creation the only thing the politicians can do about job creation is stay the. oh out of the way because they do not create a job that he wants and it's just

a great policy politicians can destroy jobs but they can't ok for the auto bailout detroit would not be where it is today not bill paid and it's all your way but you would be where it is right when you want to pull their data out of and bob's right but it is a grassroots right there. is one not uphill climb and it would not be there if it wasn't for the auto bailout no it would not be that it first there were no i mean just the other day was i left of the only object you absolutely was able to up and walk the land flight i'd like to have found from what you have to have a bankruptcy in the nation for capital one i want to stay focused on this nobody because of the deceptiveness of paul ryan you know he claiming and mitt romney repeated the same thing that obama raided medicare for seven hundred sixteen billion dollars to give to obamacare paul ryan in his own budget took that seven hundred sixty million dollars and said this is crazy that we're giving this money to private corporations for insurance when we can simply pay the hospitals ourselves and cut them out of them in fact many i got to i've got to i just got to

queue here we've got a whole lot more coming up right after the break. here is mitt romney trying to figure out when they thing that you may call. a. far left doesn't want the usa to defeat terrorism. cells neighborhood. the olympics and a. whole. lot of. you know the corporate media distracts us from what you and i should care about because they're profit driven industry that sells us my facial stick garbage because that breaking news i'm having martin and we're going to break this that.

you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture.

i'm laurin. what about big picture rubble on our panel tonight as c robinson deputy director of the paul revere project and contributor to human events the blaze in the national review it called williams attorney and progressive strategist and austin peterson director of production for freedom works so let's get back to it the republican effort to rig the november election has got a couple of setbacks here on thursday a federal judge said that the texas law the texas voter suppression id law was on its face voter suppression you know basically. this is a very weird law and expired gun license from another state was enough to get you in devote but a social security card or a student i.d. was not i mean this is i mean can you imagine sitting around going ok what's going

to be legal id well what the republicans have gone is only out so any of that this is this is just nuts and how the texans say they're going to take this is supreme court we'll see where this is but isn't this more isn't this just vote rigging since i mean last year you had you know twenty three people who were accused of voter fraud twenty six people who died because their televisions fall on their heads this is a non-problem se i mean this has been this decision was championed as a victory for the deregulate our elections crowd but i think that actually set it back in a few key ways and one of them is that the court actually ruled that whether or not there are proven instances of voter fraud doesn't matter and so that's going to be a big thing going for it obviously it was a border protection matter in the context of whether the war on uganda's is so interesting no no that really was very specific it those those issues don't matter in the context of the one nine hundred sixty five civil rights act and the fact

that texas has been operating under a court order for years and you. i forget one of those but if they have left the voting rights act voting rights act vulnerable to. i guess it's going to be well you could argue that the media that what that what that is saying is that you know ok pass another law if you want to deal with this you know might not have said that's not the point i mean the point is the law was my question is what is a they accept a bill form of identification to someone to go and vote i mean what really what is the problem with asking someone to show an i.d. if you go to register to vote you have to show an id to go out you know pockets anyway as the perfectly sure not to give you the let me give you i think we have a graphic that we can show up on the screen here here we go this is the percentage of people adults right now who don't have a valid photo i.d. ok among african-americans twenty five percent among asians twenty percent among latinos nineteen percent among college students age eighteen percent among seniors eighteen percent among poor people fifteen percent among whites eight percent

that's interesting because they're looking at this and going ok if we can say that you can vote with an i.d. we can bought a third of all those people who vote for the democrats say this i mean they say if you have a gun then you could vote and i bet a higher percentage of blacks asians and latinos have guns than have those writers or not but i just. know the brennan center of justice produced this graph so i mean i don't think very many republicans are looking at it and police and taking strategy now well they are there are no i don't think know what a public is they're taking strategy notes from this i think republicans are looking at this two three four years ago the republicans were looking at this in one thousand nine hundred eighty when paul way rick was out there saying you know i don't want everybody to vote voted in you know elections but i think they're going to get all of those are beginning to look at the hispanic base as a conservative base because hispanics are naturally socially conservative and i actually see that they are spending base is actually going to start shifting into the red category because the idea is they have some light but it prevents them from the ability to vote i mean obviously our conversation should be about race because

one thing that the court ruled today is that race is not a proxy for paul. and that's the way the court i guess that's the way the court ruled is that but here's the problem with that rights act the voting rights act specifies race it doesn't specify poverty in the law the law itself never said anything about poverty or race these three liberal judges i mean one of them was a bush appointee but that doesn't mean he's not liberal or she's not a liberal but the bottom line is that they're making a comparison are just they're trying to use poverty as a proxy for race and frankly i think people should be offended by that is actually sort of the you know the what the ohio also had knocked out today too i mean this is there's still several voters really aren't there are sixteen but the larger question i mean let's take us to the biggest frame with the statistics that we just saw a second ago on the graph and the and the and the fact the absolute fact that you know vote. election fraud not election fraud voter fraud somebody showing up and pretending to be somebody else to vote is so rare in the united states the you are

more likely to get hit by lightning over any ten year period than to have voter fraud happen and anyone you have made is going to you know that's not it is not anywhere you go and no one can say that because there is going to syria a mechanism in place that the tech that we don't know is very sort of the same as you know a million dollars trying to find it and we found acorn his lawyers and the president right now and several more to fill you know anybody else and they've shown a brown had no nothing to do with voter with well with water fraud want to talk about russia where it's going to decide i'm going to see what in your mind is an acceptable form of identification if i might you do not need. to prove your case so there is no reason you see if your end of voter file you go you show what you say your name your there you go and well we want to stop someone from from going and registering a dead person voting and i'm going to vote first of all when you register to vote that registration is checked at that point in time they're not going to put you on the rolls if you're dead or if you're a felon and that period has shown that that's not the case and you know if you if

you want to look at the north dakota election when norm coleman. there were felons who voted in that almost a thousand that i've been on that election that election came down to a very very close and a thousand every say that fraudulent votes turnout election giving the democrats another seat in the house which led to the passions obamacare is that waterfront is huge and it. goes through which they were much larger the a temporary about the integrity of our electric bill you know what i have that i agree with the integrity i want to put every one of the system rests on. the lives of so why should we not encourage that why should we not support end of it you know that have the ability to do what we have to look at what we should why don't we take medicines out by huge part of that are you know i get everybody's argument why don't we take the step farther and say like australia has. a in fact a we have no you know in bush v gore they came right out and said there is no enumerated right to vote bros the united states in the constitution so a why don't we say that there actually is a right to vote and put that in the constitution or put it in the law and be in

australia you're required to vote they have ninety eight percent voter compliance because if you don't vote you get fined and the fine start going up exponentially and we don't want to replace voluntary ism with fascism so we don't want to have to turn loose to actually write it down or you know you know exactly it's not just you know any way i want you to go and vote for somebody you know from both of your dictator is a fascist that's a let me know and people voting in a democracy is not necessarily a good thing i don't want people to know not to say more people more people in government are getting no where people are not able to go get their nightmare to go for the more writing or getting a babysitter for their kids they're going out of their way to cast a vote. for high levels of play that he is not a good fellow if we have a very early voting which i know you guys are so afraid of if we have early voting and people can vote at a time that's convenient for them unions can and they don't have to get very very hard to leave the unions will help and you know i give him the paper they can fill it out and you go and show us losses and we are not going to lean on early and vote i don't really i wouldn't let's talk about citizens united republicans are fully

embracing citizens united in their. their party platform this year in fact they say by name called citizens united said we need more of this basically said you know let's let's reduce the way with the law all of the last vestiges of mccain feingold let's absolutely create a country where. there was tell me forty five they've identified forty five people who account for forty seven percent of all the money that has been spent so far in this election cycle so you get this is this is this is the definition of a banana republic and this is how oligarchy spending doesn't like you've got thirty six families in mexico who basically control eighty percent of the lad house it was there were six major primary realities that i have with the republican party embrace turning america into an oligarchy it's not just the republican party that would embrace turning america into a free republic where you can actually spend your money as you see fit i think an oligarchy is that a republican we have an all gorky as a resort as a result of bipartisanship in the fascism that come from both parties not because

of the ideas of liberty we have an oligarchy in this country that we are going to be is where a small number of very wealthy oligarchs basically loran not only the economy but the government yeah that's a bipartisan consensus this is not a left right issue this is not a republican versus democrat issue then why is it that the republicans are putting it in their platform that they like it that way because i get to spend my money however i see fit we told you there's an entire line i will be and i'm going to be here just as usual corporation you're you know i want to. start a free speech and i think what you saw i guess it was yesterday that barack obama was online doing news little chat thing trying to release a message very much under the radar as far as conservatives and fans of liberty are concerned and his message was that he supports a constitutional amendment that would essentially repeal free speech portions of the first amendment that's what he says he wants an amendment overturning right to get president yesterday it was a constitutional amendment and if you don't think you know if you're going about

spending your own money i mean what i mean to say that money is the same. in his speech money is property you know you want your son and his ability to sleep but this is not speech this is this is no argument absolutely right it is speech because i have absolutely it is because i don't know how you know i don't mean i have that money in my nose on what i choose to go in and use an establishment such as a mcdonald's over a starbucks i'm choosing to do have my free speech rights to support or starve i should not have to have been doing you know if you have dollars in order to get my point across and that is the issue i have with them if people are stupid because what you're saying is that a millionaire can swindle the entire public just by spending the most amount of money so you're saying no you see it below so you know your entire voting base or a bunch of any is so you're saying hey i said as a man not in all cases especially not at the end of a campaign and if donald trump spent a billion dollars trying to convince me that his hair is sexy yes he would fail if he just i have a democrat israel spend i have billion dollar advertising tell us more on this and

i have been trying to have a good away from donald trump's hair it's the worst plug disaster you've ever seen right but no amount of money last night i should remember on the head to give a speech of his life last night unfortunately was overshadowed by clint eastwood. i wondered about. you know when when. he. wrote. what do you want me to tell romney. i can't tell him to do that they can't do that to himself. you know you're absolutely crazy right the empty chair is the one that's absolutely crazy earlier on there was a discussion to bring on a ronald reagan a whole gram but the idea was nixed out of fear that it might actually overshadow mitt romney now in respect in retrospect the reagan hologram would have been the best thing bunch of them probably had saluted. it was interesting

a way he looked like the crazy old me and. my lawn guy that you know that's where i don't agree at all i think that the performance of clint eastwood give good last night was the single greatest piece of performance art that has ever been delivered perhaps since socrates apology that was just you remember that oh yeah just. to get you're going to talk about it i mean if you're i don't know were really a four i was really him he's got he's got liberals choking on their tongues somebody over their feet trying to figure out oh no someone from hollywood one of our guys is criticizing barack obama and doing it you know what larry i see i got to. see robinson nicole williams austin petersen thank you all for thank you very much appreciate you coming up after the break. karl rove plans to spend as much as a half a billion dollars this election to defeat president obama and democrats what's motivating him what happens to america if he succeeds as journalist and author craig unger in tonight's conversations with great. for you.

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that i had conversations with great minds i'm joined by american investigative journalist and author craig unger he's previously worked as they do. he did editor the new york observer and editor in chief of the boston magazine also has been a frequent contributor to c.n.n. the new yorker esquire and vanity fair his book house of bush house of saudi is a new york times bestseller and his most recent book boss rove inside karl rove secret kingdom of our documents the return of karl rove following the disastrous bush administration and is set to hit shelves of temper for karl rove is promising to spend upwards of a half billion dollars this election to defeat president obama and progressives around the country so for a glimpse into what's motivating rove and how he works and what could happen at the succeeds praeger is the man to talk to joins me now from from his home craig welcome to the program great to have with you thanks for having me and in new york

i should say what drew you to karl rove and in causing decide to write this particular book about this fellow well i think what was remarkable as if you go back to the zero eight election a lot of people were overwhelmed by the sense of hope and change that obama brought and the disaster of the bush presidency that is when bush left office he had started two wars that were ongoing rove had been forced out in disgrace really and was a prime suspect in the two biggest scandals of the bush era the u.s. attorney scandal and the valerie plame affair bush's approval rating was twenty two percent and it seemed like there was a huge mandate to enter a new year that bush had been an extreme turn to the right and now we are finally out of that and yet when i realize just a year into obama's term. in early two thousand and ten karl rove was coming back he was not simply

a creature of the bush family he was far more than that and if his vision of a permanent republican majority. began to grow right after the citizens begin to be reborn rather right after the citizens united decision in early two thousand and ten yeah and he took that and ran with it with his g.p.s. contraption. you have a brilliant chapter in your book about don siegelman and his story don siegelman i should i should say as a pro personal friend of mine i'm very familiar with what happened with him on my radio show over the last five six years we have been pounding on the dogs been on the program many many times i know his daughter dana as well tell tell our viewers about karl rove's role in the first ball what happened and who does he want to was and what karl rove's role was in this will i think it's just a spectacular travesty of justice and the people don't understand. really what the

u.s. attorney scandal was was about it's not insisted eight or nine u.s. attorneys were fired for not toeing the line of the bush justice department one of the key question to what about the other u.s. attorneys what were they doing and the answer is they were prosecuting democrats and there's no more egregious case than that of don siegelman. and in alabama once bush took office it turned to that karl rove had a friend in it so certainly bill canary who is sort of the local karl rove in alabama he ran the gubernatorial campaigns for the republican candidates the senatorial candidate. campaigns for the republicans and he married a woman lawyer named laura canary and as soon as bush took office who did they appoint as united states attorney in alabama but laura canary so you had

a situation where when and let's in came up in alabama bill canary again this is this is call rove's colleague and good friend was in a position where he did run the race for the republican candidate. bob riley as it happened who did become the republican governor and is in alabama and as soon as you let him came around his wife could indict the democrats right and i'm certain you can. see them you know and in fact the evening of that election don siegelman was declared the winner and something strange happened in a in a republican controlled electoral district. exactly that was the election of two thousand and two and one of the wire services that actually declared siegelman the winner. in baldwin county there were both republican and democratic

monitors of the election who were there in the board of elections until about midnight at about midnight determined krantz left to give the election was over and an associate of call rove called bob riley team and said don't concede don't concede whatever you do don't concede they held on and loops six thousand votes suddenly disappeared for siegelman only for siegelman disappeared baldwin county and riley ended. winning the governorship and i remember when when don siegelman started complaining about that in the media all the right wing local talk show hosts and basically you know the whole the whole mechanism in alabama went into a bad loser weiner can complain or but then karl rove's best friend wife laura canary prosecuted don siegelman for having appointed to

a unpaid hospital oversight panel the same guy that the two previous governors had appointed to that position why how and why is it that well that don siegelman ended up getting frog marched off to prison and put in solitary confinement for seven months so he couldn't talk to the press. well exactly i mean you know i don't think it's the prettiest part of the american electoral system but it is a commonplace it's standard operating procedure that sometimes candidates successful candidates appoint their campaign donors to various positions and certainly george w. bush did that with over a hundred of his campaign donors who ended up with a point of positions in his administration don siegelman did the same thing but in his case he was prosecuted for bribery and and to me and it's quite hard on september eleventh he's scheduled to go back for.