tv [untitled] September 14, 2012 8:00pm-8:30pm EDT
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these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. joint operations room today. i'm arrest in the middle east rose violent protests are spreading after an anti islam film sparks outrage will look at the implications of the protests in the u.s. policy on the region. today we learned the u.s. congress is basically calling it quits until after the election in november this while president obama and his challenger are crisscrossing several swing states looking for votes what does that say about our political system we all spoken jesse ventura weighs in today on r.t. . and twitter will obey a judge's ruling and turn over possibly incriminating messages in a criminal case against an occupy wall street protester what does this say about
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the social media giant and internet freedom our t.v. will debate the issue. it's friday september fourteenth pm in washington d.c. i'm meghan lopez and you're watching r.t. . well topping the news this hour it's a scene that millions around the world watched unfold a moment in history captured on cell phone cameras and through the eyewitness accounts seen on twitter for many the arab spring was a total upset of the past decades policies in the middle east government officials looked at the protests with an air of skepticism many others with a glimmer of hope for what peaceful rallies can accomplish we watched as the protests flared up topple governments and then died down but now in light of an anti muslim film titled the innocence of muslims dozens of protests have broken out
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across the region this time the unrest isn't focused on each individual country's government but against the u.s. now here's a map highlighting some of the regions that we know of that are experiencing these protests in gaza city tripoli cairo benghazi bangladesh baghdad jerusalem's sanaa islam abad tehran kabul and jalalabad and that's just to name a few now as we watch the situation develop there are still many questions we simply don't have the answer to there's also the question of the bigger picture what these protests mean for the geo political landscape and more specifically for the u.s. so for more on the unrest i'm joined now by a spokesperson for the yemeni american coalition for change thank you so much for joining me so a lot to talk about here but first i want to ask you about the instability of the region is it really that big of a surprise. well you know what are you seeing and in the region and the past few
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days as an acceptable basically the the break in to the u.s. embassies in the region however i think it's a clear indication of anger to word toward the american government policies in the region which many of them hasn't changed and still the same and so we need some sort of new policies and in the region particularly in places like yemen in. egypt and elsewhere and even came i actually watched a thirty minute film trailer myself to prepare for interviews today and i must say that it actually looked like something out of monte python and the holy grail and it was poorly made poorly edited almost filling with its ridiculousness and yes it was offensive but does this movie merit the attention it's been given in the region and the lives that it's actually costing those people in the middle east well you
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know when it comes to religion i think a lot of muslims are very emotional especially especially with their prophet is being attacked but but personally i don't think it is just the film when you many american and when you go to yemen and talk to many people in yemen and even when you share it with them in the social media many yemenis for example think that the u.s. ambassador in yemen actually running the country and only dealing with the same old politics with the same rejean not support in the people not support of those who want to the streets to actually demand justice accountability jobs will citizenship and so basically you know the u.s. can do so much and we didn't the u.s. can and and to me to all sort of respect and i'm equal interest where they can achieve their interests and also. where are the people of the region can can
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can benefit from it as well but you know clearly in yemen where the drone strikes us all taken place the saleh regime is still in power and the movement that actually started like the most peaceful yemeni revolution did not get enough support from the us government when they designed the g.c.c. deal that was back by the us basically they completely excluded the youth and the civil society from it so basically that is a lot to be done here on law that the us needs to be taken into consideration and we can't just leave your hand we have seen a lot of those. protests happen in yemen i mean right now we're also seeing a ramp up of the drone strikes there that's something that r.t. has been covering extensively now when the vice president took over in yemen those drone strikes increased so why are people taking this sentiment and in taking
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a movie to express the sentiment against the west should they also be expressing the sentiment against the yemeni government well basically there is a lot of anger toward the yemeni government and also the u.s. government among a lot of movements in the country but not a violent you know anger toward the u.s. if you look at the pictures that were taken a breach into the u.s. embassy and it's only a handful of people not a dozen or goes over two hundred individuals and the vast majority of yemenis actually against violence you can see that through their peaceful revolution where millions of yemenis took the streets and didn't even fire back at the government that actually murdered over twelve hundred peaceful protesters and wounded over twenty twenty one thousand people so the bottom line here and let me. be clear yemen is a country that has more than sixty million pieces of weapons each family
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household has at least three weapons they decided not to do anything violent and this one they took at the the streets they never use their weapons they could have thrown their governments overnight they don't want to do that they want jobs they want education they want to leave peacefully and these are the things that the u.s. government should be looking into and help in the yemenis abroad we need some sort of you know educational change program we need some sort of support where they support the civil society support the youth movements and these are things that we need are you saying that you think the u.s. should be getting more involved in the region say that again are you are you expressing that you think that you actually get more involved in the region while i'm not expressen they need to go more involved than in the region what i'm expressing to that they say they need to correct their foreign policy in the region which is by violence of poor and respect of the people who wishes and demands and
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yemen so far a president a former dictator who dictator who was supported by the u.s. is still at large in yemen who fired many who killed many peaceful protesters in yemen and still now own a t.v. station and the people seen you know saleh and his family as allies and less family for example his son the still the head of the republican guards and a lot of people say if it wasn't for the u.s. then. they wouldn't be in the country they would have been either prosecuted and behind bars so they are know that some of this rhetoric some of this hatred is not only being spread to the west they're also attacks going on of the embassies of the u.k. and also of germany can you talk about that maybe and it's not necessarily anti-american sentiment but an anti. western sentiment i look i focus more on yemen and i really
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can't speak about what's going on in london because they haven't even looked into that but i think this and against any kind of violence and i don't think this you know express an anger toward anything especially when we're talking about freedom of speech should not be done this way but there is a lot of things behind this basically that is an anger and a built of anger for decades now especially than the revolution a lot of people in the region were were looking at the u.s. to actually stand by their demands however there was also on time you know. a slumber phobic in the u.s. and this and that we need to look at them seriously that kind of extremism whether it's in the u.s. or abroad needs to be dressed we need some sort of dialogue we need some sort of and these are going to zation that i actually spread in. islam or phobic or even.
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americans or any any sort of that extremism need to be really dress so we can't just talk about you know any sort of violence towards season when we know that many are unaware and i'm going to have to cut it off there thank you so much for your opinions i'm sure we'll have to follow up on you and follow the. developments as it as a unfold it would be spokesperson for the yemen american coalition for change thanks thanks for having me. switching gears now he is possibly one of the most compelling figures in independent party politics his rhetoric for the political establishment has defined his career and helped fuel third parties across the u.s. has taken on hold colgan president obama and everyone in between he was a wrestler an actor governor and a military veteran and now the author of a new book that compares democrats and republicans to gangs jesse ventura certainly
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isn't one to hold back his opinions and earlier today he joined me to express a few more the new book is called democrats and republicans no more gangs in the government and here's what he had to say. well my take is i very much i'm very much like congressman ron paul i think that we should pull out and remove all foreign aid we should get rid of foreign aid and don't have them anymore because all foreign aid is bribery and if they don't like us then why are we there you know that's the way i view it. and it's that simple to me and foreign aid is no different than what they've set up here in the united states with our political system it's all based upon bribery ron paul put it great when he said here's the definition of foreign aid taking money from poor people in the united states and giving it to rich people in other countries that's what foreign aid is and so if they don't want us over there i'm all for pulling us out bring us home and let them
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fend for their selves why should we be there what's our purpose in the middle east as a whole while the u.s. our friendship anything like the riots in the middle east we have seen a movement that attempted to take back the streets and of course talking about occupy wall street now you of course the court at the moment i think i even read a report that you. and you went to hardware store and you bought as many hand warmers i want to get your hands on to give them out to the protestors can you talk about the occupy movement it's a little bit well the occupy movement i agreed with that because their message was simple they were asking wall street to quit buying our politicians quit bribing our politicians and i agree with that one hundred percent and every american in this country should have supported that movement even if they didn't agree with why they were doing it because all those people were doing were exercising what is supposedly their first amendment rights instead they were pepper sprayed and ran off with dogs well maybe someday you're going to want to protest something and you
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won't have your first amendment rights anymore either bell pepper spray you and run you off with dogs we need to get back to the constitution and. the bill of rights and uphold them i went to court against the t.s.a. a reasonable search and seizure it got in front of a federal judge and she ruled she didn't have jurisdiction now how does a federal judge not have jurisdiction over a constitutional question that's why i don't fly anymore today because i refuse to be treated like a criminal at the airport we need to remember in this country and we seem to forget the great words of benjamin franklin and that was for those of you that will give up your liberty for security you shall have and deserve neither and i remember that quote very well jesse and now let's start talking about your book a lot of it has of course called democrats and republicans go ahead and explain it a little bit and to our viewers and tell us what you're hoping to get out of it
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well they're just like street gangs they've even stolen their collars you know alls gangs have colors well what's a blue state that's a democratic state blue happens do you get the color of the street gang the crips the blogs their colors naturally you read what's a red state that's a republican state and they're there hierarchy and the whole thing is just like gang gangs first allegiances to the gangs second allegiances how the gang makes money furred allegiance might be us the people we may be third fourth or fifth i'm not really sure but they are set up and they operate just like gangs they acquire turf if any third entity and is into the turf the two gangs will team up to expel that third entity or absorbed that third entity so the mindset is identical to the street gangs the crips and the bloods and i apologize to the crips and bloods for having to do that too i'm. and jesse in your book you said that the third party
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movement tends to start whenever there is a crisis in the country do you believe that that was the case with the occupy movement. it could be but i do it all i go longer support the third party movement i now support the abolishment of all political parties and i have pretty good people that stand behind me in the book if you read my chapter two you'll find that george washington the father of our country thomas jefferson and john adams all agree with me that party should not take over governments and apparently we're not listening to him because we have the two party dictatorship here that completely is taking control of our government and in this upcoming election i got news for you it doesn't matter who gets elected you are still going to have the same government going forward as you have right now and fact i think in your book you wrote that if a third party was to come into power it would have to require a lot of money and that you would see not a two two headed monster but
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a three headed monster but back in two thousand and eight we saw the party movement really gave the third party movement party with an excuse they really gained steam they of course had powerful financial backers you had said in your book that you think it was coauthored by billionaires now they're still going strong in the u.s. as changing political discourse because of that now that doesn't happen as much with the zero ws movement as change of dialogue yes but change the policies maybe not as much so with money the only option. well money is what drives it all you know they they've they've created a system now the worst thing that ever happened was them the supreme court saying corporations have the same rights as individuals and money is free speech do you realize china could control an election here now all they have to do is form a corporation and they can funnel all this money into these super pacs and the real
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bad thing about it i'm not necessarily post all the money but there should be full disclosure where does the money come from and they don't even have to do that now so a foreign country could literally control the elections of the united states of america by pumping money and that used to be illegal here but now thanks to our supreme court it isn't anymore and jesse actually in your book i know that you kind of made a funny joke about the fact that president obama and mitt romney and all the other candidates might as well be wearing nascar suits we actually made a graphic just to show you what are our to stick interpretation of that says so if mitt romney and barack obama and their little nascar suits with all their little fonts or ship stickers so you win an anti you wrote in this book that you now no longer support third party i know that you supported ross perot not once but twice in the presidential elections and now you're backing gary johnson but in your book you said you don't even support third parties anymore so are you sticking with gary
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johnson oh absolutely i'm sticking with gary johnson he was governor of new mexico when i was governor of minnesota i have to vote for someone because i do vote in every election i just never vote for democrats and republicans and you know they always tell you if you vote for a third entity you're wasting your vote i'd like to reverse that thought and have people understand if you vote for a democrat or republican you've wasted your vote because you're going to get the same government no matter who wins or. over there there now i'm supporting governor johnson i urge people if they truly want to strike dollar against government if they're angry against government like the polls say that they are there to do it at the ballot box because that's the only thing we have left so poor gary johnson the libertarian candidate for president now is jesse ventura new york times best selling author and former minnesota governor catch the rest of that on our web site and as i mentioned earlier in the show when it comes to spreading the word about
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the arab spring social media was the instrumental tool used in getting that message out namely twitter twitter of course has also been a major plus major platform for the occupy wall street movement to spread its message at first when the say refused to release the tweets of protesters on the brooklyn bridge to authorities there was a lot of backlash it seemed as if the last stand between the protesters and the government was playing out but today that line has fallen twitter released the tweets of malcolm harris who is being charged with disorderly conduct along with seven hundred other people that were on that bridge that was back in october first of two thousand and eleven so are these tweets fair game or is this an invasion of privacy lauren harvey harshness for the resident dot net takes the pulse of the nation.
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a manhattan judge has ordered twitter to release the tweets of an occupy wall street protester and those tweets are expected to be used against him in a criminal trial is that an invasion of his privacy and right to free speech this week let's talk about that so let's say it was a terrorist saying ok let's go attack somebody what it was it was it was an american expressing his views. you know just trying to get his message out there ok some would call him a terrorist and it christian that you. i think if the terrorists might feel like they're just expressing them their needs and what they're frustrated with. i don't know if we always seem to be you know. giving you information that you haven't been revealed yet or broadcast yet so i appreciate that about it and i hope that never stops as he's put out there for the general public so pissed off lowkey of it's going to be used against him in court you know we shouldn't set it you know he's going to incriminate himself that's his own fault that what you say under free
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speech so it should still be subject to law yeah if i go on television and tell everybody had avoid cops or to commit a crime and get away with it and do it on television. smile faults i think the most interesting thing about twitter is if the internet is not journalism but writing is going to start to say more of a hold than it probably needs to be treated similar sue newspaper ads or other things that might be written in print media and so i'm not sure if twitter should give it up but if they want to start to grow i think they might have to do what about that person's right to their own tweets and their privacy depends how serious the matter is i think yeah i think who draws that line do you trust the government to draw that line i don't know if you don't want it in the public you don't put it out on the public to you you would keep it to you so yeah it's kind of a canvas screaming out a window if you're posting it on the internet that draws so things like most people
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agree because social media is taking on a more important role in social justice change and counterculture the laws around social media are going to have to evolve as well. and for an update on this twitter square off our team web and your way to i mean earlier to break it all down for us. if you remember occupy movement really started mid september up in new york a few weeks ago by seven hundred people go on the brooklyn bridge sorry thousand people and seven hundred arrested including malcolm harris who is a mid twenty's writer from brooklyn now he was arrested along with seven hundred or so others and he was charged with disorderly conduct for knowing police orders to get off the bridge now it's been almost a year now in this case has been repeatedly brought up over and over again in court
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because the prosecutors want to see his deleted tweets they want to see his record of what he was doing on twitter for a couple of months before and after these events on october first because they want to say that well we have knowledge that he knew that he was breaking the law because he might have been tweeting to someone like oh maybe through his deleted tweets he made plans to go you know one more step on the pitch or something like that so they want to be able to say ok you knew this and because of that we're going to charge you this five hundred dollar fine for disorderly conduct but in the meanwhile this case been dragging on for months and months and months and finally today twitter couldn't do it anymore they had appealed over and over again they tried to fight it and a judge in new york pretty much said look you can give us this material that this person created and then destroyed and you don't want anyone to see. you can give us that out or if you don't we're going to find you a lot lot lot of money so twitter has been putting up a fight for the last couple of months and god bless them the doing
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a really good job they said that we're going to keep fighting to you know make sure that if you tweet something it belongs to you and the prosecutors tried to take him to the whole legal gauntlet and you know it was a fair game and it looks like it finally lost so today twitter handed over those tweets so which one says if you do something on the internet even if you get rid of it even if it's just something about conspiring for a disorderly conduct charge not that i'm sure why would he even tweet that but you know that can be brought into court even months not a year later but andrew i have to ask you once you put something out on twitter i mean even have people following you that you have no idea who they are once you put something out in a public domain like that are you or are you not effectively releasing your rights to it you know that that's what the judge was saying that if you tweet something it's essential the same thing as just opening up the window and screaming you're just saying this is what i'm doing this is it and twitter or the a.c.l.u. and the they were all saying well now this really you know the person who tweets
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that they should own that they should be able to control the copyright they should be able to control where their information goes if they choose to delete it you know good on them they they have deleted it the court won and said no that's not exactly the case and it's only like one of the several examples we saw this week of finally the court getting their way in terms of being able to i want to see destroy the internet but there is a really unfortunate week as far as the freedom of speech in the first minute goes with internet rights not just a case of malcolm harris but we go back to i believe wednesday the house reapproved the feis. amendments of two thousand and eight act well and so as long as it clears the senate and then the oval office which it means is the government for another five years is going to be able to do on an essential. i watch everything i do on the computer for another five years so that's happening twitter is doing that it's pretty much this is a really really bad week for the internet i've heard you say that
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a couple times today i enjoyed it i'm really a second i i work on the internet i have the internet i do all of my you know i've been doing stories the last couple of days where i think communicating with sources who don't feel comfortable talking on the internet anymore will have to use a special check line using off the record encryption or as some people don't even want to talk on the computer because we're worried that we're being monitored and i shouldn't feel that way as a journalist that i should be able to go out there and find out you know people should be able to talk to me they should feel free they should feel open they should not be worried that because they're expressing their concerns about different political ideas that are going to be persecuted for them but that's exactly what's happening you know eighty of malcolm harris was breaking the law i don't know i wasn't there but were his tweets really that relevant to this case like is this really worth the fight to to install this fear that anything you do on the internet really isn't safe i mean a lot of people already think that with just legislation that's been trying to push on this for the last couple years especially this year. yeah i'll say it again it
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was a really bad week for the internet and go ahead and talk about the a.c.l.u. case that we've got i know they reflected a foyer a foyer let's go and talk a little off and on line things are really bad days till you file this lawyer request months a month months ago because they wanted to see what was happening with f.b.i. surveillance of the occupy wall street movement specifically up in northern california the f.b.i. followed through and they said ok we'll let you know what we've been doing the honor there for you requested provide them with some documents but they said all right half of these you can't see because it would be a national security issue so we know that the government wants to be able to see what you delete on your computer they want to be able to bring it up into court for you to use it for you know prosecuting someone for a five hundred dollars fine and we know that off the computer the f.b.i. is watching your. political activities and they're not going to tell you about it like knowledge it which they just did but you have no idea what they're doing when you know that they're monitoring you off and on the computer and if you've been
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here from what your hair away you're saying i think i have to agree with you so i from everything from twitter to privacy to the a.c.l.u. and even to this site that they say the only thing can be certain is that you're probably going to be monitored some type of way and they should definitely be careful with what you write on the internet and more importantly what you read on the script everything or use a courier pigeon when other. answers like r.t. web producer thank you so much for joining us course all right well that's going to do it for the news for this week but be sure to tune in next week here's a preview of what's ahead it was a movement that started off on the streets of new york and spurred into a global movement the occupy wall street movement has changed political discourse in the country and spoken multitude about the widespread distrust of the government next week is the anniversary and we'll bring you an exclusive look of where it came from and where it's heading and the group has certainly come a long way from the early days it also achieved
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a considerable amount over that time heading off foreclosures in southern california that's just one example we'll bring you a look at the movement's evolution. and it looks like the a.c.l.u. has discovered new information that the f.b.i. was keeping a close eye on the occupy movement all along and although they're watching the protesters the f.b.i. doesn't want anyone else watching them so are they withholding information why are they were holding this information of the surveillance because they think it might jeopardize national security all those questions and more ahead we'll give you a closer look at the issues next week that's all new coming up on our city of course to make sure you stay tuned for more news and in-depth interviews keep it tuned right here and that's going to do it now for us for more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash r.t. america don't forget to check out our website for the very latest and greatest and all the stories we've covered today and a few that we didn't have to.
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