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exempt from. thirteen minutes from now. we talked to gerry van dyke and that he was held captive by the taliban for forty five days he shares his personal view on the reason behind the u.s. military operation in. eleven years ago america began its war on terror and today in afghanistan now u.s. war continues to be waged by current guest has a very unique perspective on what has happened in continues to take place there
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joining me now to talk more about this topic is journalist and author jerry van dyke mr van dyke wrote a book called captive my time as a prisoner of the taliban thank you for joining our team thank you mr van dyck as i mentioned the war on terror began some eleven years ago and u.s. troops according to president barack obama are expected to fully withdraw by the end of twenty fourteen is that a sign of victory or defeat in the so-called war on terror i don't think it's a sign of either one i think it's a sign that the u.s. public is tired of this we initially went in for one specific reason and that was to dismantle the government of the taliban and to destroy al qaeda now people ask why are we still there how many are there under president bush in the early part of the obama administration we heard the numbers fifty there maybe fifty left in afghanistan are we there because
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a fifty fifty al qaeda members know it is morphed into something far larger than that is it because the former soviet union the former what we'll call the stands it was because she could stand because if. you could stand to have the largest untapped oil and natural gas reserves in the world if you talk to the afghans you talk the taliban they'll say oh that's why the united states wants to stay here people say it's because we want to surround iran we have bases in the gulf we have bases once before in iraq we certainly have them in afghanistan do we want afghanistan and pakistan not to go to war with one another neither the bush administration. no the obama administration has been straight with the american public about that and finally we are responsible long with other nations for creating the very people against whom we are now fighting these were all allies of the united states and its allies during the one nine hundred eighty s. we haven't been straight with the american public why what we have created which
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evolved in some cases into parts of which evolved into al qaeda and which are we trying to dismantle that can you tell me what the war on terror looks like through the eyes of the taliban. no one's ever asked me that very good question very interesting question when i was a newspaper reporter enough ghana stand in the one nine hundred eighty s. new york times when we were tied with some of the members of the taliban today we called them the mujahideen which means holy warriors the taliban told me that we are the sons and the grandsons of the mujahideen when i was captured by the taliban and when i was in prison i had to listen for hours and hours and hours to taliban recruitment tapes and suicide recruitment tapes they talked of or they sing or chant of pashtoon history question geography pashtoon poetry this is a nationalist movement in their view they are simply trying to free themselves of
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foreign infidel invaders exactly like their fathers and grandfathers in order to have what they feel is a proper islamic government the taliban have become somewhat different. and that is it's a result of their ties to al qaeda. which is comprised of foreigners primarily air chip pins saudis chechens specs those from western china and even some from europe so it is a different entity entirely it is strictly a just interested in international jihad but the taliban have become because of their ties to al-qaeda and because of the twenty four seven news cycle they have become far more international but deep down in their hearts they're interested in one thing and that is an islamic government and a pashtoon islamic government now i don't want to make this too complicated for
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viewers but for them the posh tunes are afghanistan and they were at war before we came up with what we call the northern alliance the tajiks these are different ethnic groups in the north so this is also an element here there's an ethnic war at play here as much as anything else but deep down more than anything else they want a unified pashtoon land they want an afghanistan that is deeply muslim their interest ultimately is certainly not to attack the united states but because of their exposure to the international world now they're far more capable of trying to go across to soviet central asia to expand the perhaps into iran yeah that element is there you were how hostage forty five things by the taliban what was that experience like. frightening. thing.
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what did you learn that you didn't know about. i thought initially i would be killed immediately but what i learned and what surprised me was that even though i was a prisoner. even though i lived in constant fear. that i was also treated with respect. and i was treated as a guest. because and this gets to the heart of your question ultimately. tribal law pashtoon tribal law called question while the tribal codes take precedence over islam they deep down there they are members of tribes more than they are muslims and i think that's one reason why i survived. i'm not sure why i survived. and why did they let you go after forty five things i still
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don't know the answer generals i'm trying to find out i get many i hear i get many what did they say to you once they were on locking the chains from your arm they said congratulations on escaping death i daresay this i will that about a year ago i got a call from someone a foreigner european and he asked me to go down to an apartment in new york two min there were questions from pakistan here by the invited by the state department on their way back to pakistan getting ready to catch a flight the very first question they asked me was. who kidnapped you. the taliban. or the government. my jailer said to me not a shot would be fired in afghanistan without the backing of the pakistani government so with the taliban in touch with the government did the government of pakistan know i was there did the government of pakistan in to intervene and
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ultimately save me. did kill all of the in the hood county network. that we are at war with. and with which i lived in the one nine hundred eighty s. and his name i use constantly to try and save me and who i was trying to get to because i thought by getting to a colony i could find out about al qaeda did he ultimately hold on to that travel. and samey i've heard so many different things that's why it's very murky complicated place in the war is far far different from the way we perceive it in the media speaking of tribes what are u.s. intelligence capabilities among the tribes do you believe that washington has enough knowledge when it comes to the language and cultural experience of the particular reasons in afghanistan that need to be fully understood there was a general flynn i think his name was and this was about two thousand and nine two
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thousand and ten who was in chief of intelligence under then military general stanley mcchrystal mcchrystal who said and i quote we are flying blind in afghanistan how many pashtun speakers are there when you when you find out in the u.s. intelligence committee when you look when you talk to for example interpreters you find out that there is a huge underground network of interpreters all of whom have to pay bribes before they can work with with the american soldiers who controls these interpreters well i'm not sure that they're going to completely free at all the television can easily infiltrate this is my own experience i don't think the u.s. intelligence capabilities are nearly what they're portrayed to be however. when you get to someplace like pakistan i think it's possibly a bit different we have drones overhead we're constantly under president obama
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we've ratcheted up the number of drone attacks to those drones and i've been under drones how do they know where to attack you have to have the information on the ground what does that information come from it comes from working closely in tandem with pakistani military intelligence that they would choose to attack their attack there why after so many years where we have we not been able to kill the leader of the country network ormal omar or go buddy next month they are the three leaders of the. taliban or why did we have to go in and kill osama bin laden why didn't the pakistani intelligence tell us where these people were maybe they knew and maybe they don't know but i happen to think they absolutely know. but they have we have to have that intelligence on the ground and i think it's far better in pakistan then in afghanistan but it comes because pakistan works closely with these people and they work closely with the united states and who they want to attack they want to allow the united states to attack i say this interview by asking about afghanistan but i want to wrap it up by asking you about something you said that
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because you recently said that you believe that your lesson and its allies are fighting a proxy war against. own with the media but that is at all without a doubt that that create that even more dangerous time to make clearly and in that area of the world if they still don't know what they're doing in afghanistan can't figure it out rightly right is pakistan our ally or is it our enemy now the taliban and you take someone like former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff admiral mike mullen who said that kani network is an arm of the pakistani i.s.i. pakistani military intelligence that we united states have paid at least twelve billion dollars have given a different forms at least twelve billion dollars to the pakistani military since nine eleven but the pakistani military according to former admiral mike mullen said every everyone else is backing the tell of it so we are supplying money to the very
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people that are providing this money to the taliban to attack u.s. forces why would pakistan back to television what is pakistan's interest in afghanistan no single afghan legislature in the history of afghanistan has accepted the border between afghanistan and pakistan afghanistan was the only nation in the world to vote against pakistan admittance to the united nations in one nine hundred forty seven. one single thing the border in one thousand nine hundred three the british when they ruled india created with this called the durand line they do not accept the fact that the land that once belonged to them that the british took away should belong to pakistan and this is deep down at the heart of this particular never ending war in the middle of which the united states and its soldiers continue to die over a war that once started out of the against al-qaeda which is morphed into something far deeper far more complicated is an old afghan saying it's gonna stand it's very
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easy to enter but it's very hard to believe we're not leaving by two thousand and fourteen will still be there and we'll leave it right there thank you very much for your time. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm trying hard welcome to the big picture.
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would be so much brighter if you knew about some from the finest impressions. from star totty dot com. top stories this are naughty a six day fury shakes the muslim world as protesters across the globe brought against america pulling the release of a controversial film made to mock islam. and diplomats rushed to balance the flames and sold its toys with the muslim world while experts point to america's mideast policy as being responsible for the on the rest. plus europe is engulfed with thirty protests once again as people want the belt tightening measures to win over a million in the hall people in spanish catalonia according to independents. and u.s. sanctions against iran are failing to curb to iran's oil traders heavy consumer nations
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are once again exempt from the measures. with a news team with more news stories for you in fifteen minutes from now the meantime we bring the latest updates from the world of sport with you know. thanks for joining us this is sports today let's have a look at what's making your headlines this hour. on home ice and surrogate gone char become the first n.h.l. all stars to return to russia as the n.h.l. officially locks itself odd. some grow for you venters and italy legend alessandro dealt piero touches down in sydney to begin his stint as the country's highest paid footballer. trick hero it's been a weekend trim ember for sure life in the. car as he wins three major global
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ords in the same. list to call for the russian premier league football have ensured they will end the weekend second in the table the army man taking care of a londoner in sunday's opening fixture it wasn't until after the break the hosts fun at the japanese dangerman case suki one day with all the time in the world to pick his spot half a dozen minutes into the second period. after a c.s. good talk would follow but a waltz until five minutes from time not they finally put the time to bed again finding himself all alone in the box to turn home made it moves also to know how it ended up the second one allowed me to stay in the bottom of the stomach. while the goals came thick and fast as their way up to third spot in the table crusading side getting off the mark in the very first minutes of lake shutoff firing home after the opening of the contest joe carlos would double the fun just
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minutes later before some you were at so the man in yellow. with only fourteen minutes on the side would exchange strikes either side of the break before all the running is needed for two with a well taken volley fifty. two minutes in but captain answer wasn't finished quite yet the cameroonian leaving a final score nine zero five two any fearlessly headed over the rushing rushed the door goalkeeper so on the third with the number three. i overrating in tottenham have won their first game of the premier league season under his charges seeing off reading in sunday school e.p.l. fixture a dominant spurs side deservedly taking the lead eighteen minutes in germany in the fall of the pier placing r. and then it's pulled by bale would then double advantage nineteen minutes from the end before the full came this break shortly afterwards so after four games told them their first victory which is more than usually promoted reading help of the
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royals remain second from bottom without affecting. the biggest signing in australian football history has arrived dawned on her to thaw it in and six world cup winner alice on the road del piero greeted by local crowds us he prepares to begin his tenure with sydney f.c. the legendary forward on this wide reminded of former soon as he arrived signing autographs on is it will be fantasy plenty of pressure on the thirty seven year old to perform as well with a two year deal see him earn two point one million u.s. dollars per annum contract means he's the highest paid player process truly is for . codes rugby union rugby league australian rules football. russian n.h.l. or john are free to play ice hockey in their home country or indeed anywhere else for that matter the north american league unable to come up with a new labor agreement this weekend resulting in its second work stoppage since two thousand and five two russian n.h.l.
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stars in fact already returned to their roots all the way defense bunch for a gig on charge pittsburgh forward. trained with their former coach mike you during negotiations they are now officially reunited on the ice putting pen to paper with . squad on a year long deal soon as the lockout went into effect on saturday evening the previous n.h.l. lockout wiped out the entire two thousand and four five season. reading . meanwhile we're in for a quite an eye opener at the hands of truck tour legs nor ox men going down for want to for their second loss in the past half a dozen games check it better in the yard the willis chewing he's still got plenty left in the time the thirty four year old scoring the first one last call of the game truck door have no i want three hours off the first four games at this early stage in the heat chelsea's and while lucky teams are slava who are unable to overcome after lunch home former n.h.l. star an equaliser a day of claiming the glory with
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a winning strike late in the third. on the moto g.p. circuit jorge lorenzo points back in the ultimate way to win his second straight son marino grand prix the twenty ten world champion lost his pole position in dramatic fashion in qualifying but recovered with a dominant performance when it mattered abraham's bike problems first saw the race we started on short to twenty seven months paul said or done in producer was also pushed to the back of the grid due to a technical issue and then crashed out without even finishing overall you're lorenzo taking full advantage of his mean rival tools with valentino rossi finishing second. o.t. stuff joining them on the podium in third place. a terrible tragedy in the world of rugby with one of the sport's rising stars dying while trying to save his father over the weekend. nevin spence his brother and father drowning in the slurry type accident the twenty two year old two family members
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believed to have been overcome by toxic fumes after falling into the pit at their family farm outside northern ireland spencer sr also fell into the slurry pit but survived the accident the up and coming center on wing routes to prominence playing for he had eleven caps for ardent under twenty squad three for the irish senior reserves team. to cricket where the twenty twenty world cup gets underway this week in sri lanka having recently lost top spot in the test rankings to south africa england headed by captain to have broad will be keen to reassert their dominance in t twenty the south africans also happen to be the top ranked t twenty side in the world but are still seeking their first major i.c.c. tournaments victory their captain a.b. de villiers admits in the past pressure me have got to his side i'm going to be very honest with you i'm going to put out this trade up front we have church in the past and we know about that if you if that's the riches of people it's a simple as that we've had some really bad experiences in the past but are locked
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in for source of us post we come in with a whole new look in the team we've worked really hard with a whole new management team which is given us a lot of energy and a lot of new ideas so we will approach just two of them and differently we would like to run the prison situations we're going out there to do exactly that and like i said be prepared and really excited to get onto that field meanwhile it was a busy night for kumar sang a car at the annual i.c.c. awards ceremony of the sri lankan winning three awards including the people's choice voted for by the public the batsman who not almost fifteen hundred runs in the past twelve months was also named test cricketer of the year and won the overall prize as icing see cricketer of twenty twelve. finally children from iran were given a basketball coaching master class by n.b.a. stars in moscow this weekend the youngsters are some of the most talented from across the continent richard van port fleet discovered they've got an experience
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they'll never forget. both of our boarders has been helping the development of the sport in europe for over a decade even though even took place in moscow children from over twenty countries to pont the youngsters a selected by the local federations and all extremely talented and have the potential to become stars of the future of a camp itself is going from strength to strength what happened was we were shooting a commercial for the united nations with bodyguards eleven years ago during the balkan wars and actually they had just ended and they said is there any way we could bridge put together a basketball camp and bring all our children together for the six now independent countries and we did it we realized it was so successful that we said ok how about will have the whole continent involved and do community relations projects so far from there there was no shortage of expertise for the kids to learn from and they could only include some of the most golf and i would say shared pool play in the
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n.b.a. turned up. brooks and dunn the green trouble way from the u.s. to lend a helping hands meanwhile brian can only use a thirty five year old bedroom of the dallas mavericks said he was delighted to have the opportunity to give something back to the youngsters i see a lot of myself in them are growing up loving to play basketball are skilled in their way the game and so it says it's an honor to come here to share my own. past experience in the last twelve years in the n.b.a. and. teach him some of the things i've learned and experienced the pre-date can finish with an all star game to the best youngsters and to be age of sixteen from europe because he was heini and green believes that some of these players have the potential to pull him into b m b a i know they're enjoying it like they really pay attention they really work hard and are hopeful they learn something from us already so take them and it's amazing to believe that some of the guys maybe want
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to hear there was one guest who was particularly interested in the proceedings. the u.s. ambassador to russia michael mcfaul he's a massive boscobel found himself and so there is two sons i mean we're thrilled that they're here i have two young sons and it was the best event that spa so house ever was when we had all these n.b.a. players or a few nights ago they participated in the camps that they've done here and you know we support. the growth of the n.b.a. around the world the sedan tast export. event was wonderfully received by both the coaches on the participants and the boss coupled with my board his training camp continues to rise in stature around the globe in helping youngsters to fill that possible dream it's been a fantastic experience for some of the most talented young basketball players around europe to play in the servants' hall perceived coaching tips from some of them based top songs on a cold spell be wanting to fully invest what steps can play in the n.b.a. one day themselves for me to all say. i'm not as oh your sport whether it's
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