oh i. have a. another day ends with more on the rest of the middle east is calling for the deaths of diplomats and the u.s. has shut down its consulate in indonesia and that is just the beginning of the latest straight ahead. plus it's time to rage against the machine secrets that is a new book takes an in-depth look at whistle blowing on the internet age with a particular emphasis on the case of wiki leaks coming up our team sits down with the author andy greenberg and then later be careful not to run red lights in some

parts of the u.s. local governments are sending out tickets thanks to red light cameras but wait a minute some city employees caught on the cameras don't have to pay so is this just a way for local agencies to make money. it's wednesday september nineteenth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm christine for south and you're watching our t.v. . let's begin today as we have for the last several days with a look at the latest in what's happening in the middle east and north africa over the last eight days protests on the streets of cities in several countries have become widespread and in some cases have gotten violent most most have come out say

they're protesting an anti muslim film made in the united states that insults the prophet mohammed and one of the major events today a rally in lebanon planned by husband here's our correspondent paula slayer with more. tens of thousands of protesters have taken to the southern lebanese city of tire this is in line with a call that went out earlier five it has been a leader on the straw in a way he called for his supporters to show their anger in a bus in a shouts and in their faces he says that this film is the worst attack ever on islam now so far the demonstration is peaceful if one of the demonstration on monday in which more than one hundred thousand his biggest supporters took to the southern suburbs of beirut now and that's one that has called for staggered protests throughout this week we understand that the next protests will be on friday in an instant lebanese city of a bit but at the same time we are hearing reports of an american food chain kate it seems that for the second time has been attacked in lebanon now this comes on the

waynes day as clashes erupted between palestinian protesters and israeli security forces at least twenty people were injured when the cash was erupted you know a global crossing in east jerusalem the protesters threw firebombs as well as stones at the security forces they responded with tear gas and rubber bullets we're also seeing again protests in the pakistani city collection hero hundreds of protesters have stormed a barricade around the u.s. consulate building we're seeing the same kind of banners the same kind of american rhetoric most of of focusing on calls for the american ambassador to pakistan to be expelled now hundreds of protesters also took to the indonesian city of medan here they are calling for the united states to be punished for allowing such a movie to be made also on the wednesday there's a lot of attention focused on paris where a weekly newspaper by the name of charlie hebdo has published

a crude caricature of prophet mohammed we understand that some of them are showing him naked now this has sparked a fierce the bait over the whole issue of sweden a speech with the french foreign minister say. that there will be consequences regarding this publication and he has condemned these caricature as being published in the first place but we are hearing from the french prime minister that freedom of speech is something that is protected although something that needs to be used responsibly nonetheless muslims that in this country have been organizing themselves for protest so far that protest has been banned but it is likely to go ahead we know also that they believe this is a co-created move and that it has nothing to do with freedom of speech french police a position themselves outside the headquarters of this magazine it's a magazine that was firebombed last year when it published an edition that mocked radical islam at the same time at least twenty french embassies are on lockdown around the world for fear that they will be reprisal and revenge attacks and that

was our policy here. well the internet has given rise to unprecedented new ways of communicating we've seen this with social media like facebook and twitter and connecting as we saw with the arab spring it's made it a whole lot easier for the government to spy on its citizens and also in some cases for citizens to spy on their government here at r.j. we have spoken extensively and in-depth about the whistle blowing web site ricky leaks how it impacted both journalism and geopolitics how leaking overall has been made more simple. when daniel ellsberg leaks the pentagon papers back in one thousand nine hundred one he literally had to go through every single page photo copy it and then cross out certain information he also had to expose his identity when he gave that information to certain organizations well today we're going to talk about how far we've come and what that means for us as a society a country and on an even larger scale. use the right cryptographic tools keep your

mouth shut and you too can anonymously frictionless lee eviscerate an entire institution's information says one man who understands the issue inside out there may not be many daniel ellsberg in the world ready to push through the twentieth century stubborn barriers to leaking but the twenty first century would be wise to expect more bradley manning's well the man who wrote that andy greenberg joined us earlier today he is a staff writer at forbes magazine and also the author of the new book this machine kills secrets how wiki leaks cypherpunks and how activists aim to free the world's information he first talked about his contrast of daniel ellsberg and bradley manning. i think what i was trying to do was draw a contrast partly in their motivations but i believe fundamentally they both saw themselves as whistleblowers the contrast between the two that i was trying to draw out really was more of a matter of the ease of the lived in and the technology that they used and what i think we can see is that is that ellsberg actually expected to go to prison for the

leak that he was perpetrating that you know this the seven thousand top secret pages that were the pentagon papers whereas manning although he said he was willing to go to prison you know to his credit as a whistleblower he never expected to and i think that that shows that in the forty years between anonymity technologies had developed anonymity technologies had developed to this degree where he felt that he was protected and it was only because of his own human error of describing his his leak to a hacker eatery lamo that he was caught. yeah and in writing this book i know andy you traveled literally around the world just to really get a better understanding of how we got to this point in terms of leaks i just want your take i mean what are some of the most important things that you learned well you know i i met with julie massage in two thousand and ten just before the release of the state department cables and he struck me he seemed to make it so easy to release trolls of classified secrets so i wanted to figure out where did this idea

where this idea of this cryptographic anonymous inbox come from is really just a kind of one off brilliance kind of singularity from this brilliant guy doing this on hundreds or did it come from some larger tradition and and so i ended up tracking down the the movement called the cypherpunks who in the mid ninety's heads were already sort of dreaming of using encryption and anonymity tools to disempower the governments and. take that power and give it to individuals and so and so i sort of traveled around the us tracking down these cypherpunks and cryptographers and inventors and philosophers who i believe inspired a songe a songe was one of these cypherpunk. so then when i saw that the wiki leaks sort of came out of this very linear tradition of of of anonymity technology is slowly developing over time i saw that you know this is something that can be systematized and replicated so then i went looking for the next wiki leaks and that was

a kind of tour of the activist world that took these from bulgaria iceland to paris and and finally to berlin where i met this the the engineer known as the architect who rebuilds wiki leaks mission site and then led a mutiny within weeks and went to form his own group called open leaks what i want to talk to you about some of these other groups that i know that in your book you talk about not just wiki leaks they have it these other organizations that are sort of sprung out of it why do you think though that they haven't had the same impact as making leaks at least that wiki leaks had initially well you know one thing that i try to highlight in the book is that they have in very small cases i spent some time with the bulgarian group called balkan leaks successfully did obtain classified or releases secret documents about the bulgarian governments and leaked them and eventually partnered with with wiki leaks to release wiki leaks very explosive documents double garia but before that they were already using the same

technologies and methods as wiki leaks did and successfully showing the that this can be replicated with but i believe what's been missing from other situations is are two things and one is a technical understanding of anonymity tools which vulcan leaks had in the same way that we could extend essentially using tor this very. this very secure and well tested piece of anonymity software as the as of fundament of of their anonymity promise but then also i think the other sites don't have the kind of journalistic or free expression figurehead that wiki leaks had and julian assigns and a songe which is kind of. little personalities like amazing media. persona he he was a kind of beacon for whistleblowers i'm not sure he still is but he was at one point yelling out at something i mean as far as julian assange i mean to this day and the major newspapers the major networks use wiki leaks as

a source they do entire stories about information that they got to look wiki leaks and yet so many of them have distanced themselves from julian a songs from wiki leaks why is that well i think the wiki leaks in a way has it has betrayed the principle that it used to tell it of being simply a tool for whistleblowers you know wiki leaks no longer has anonymous submissions portal so the information that it seems to have gone over the last year is you know either been explicitly or you know revealed to be mostly comes mostly sourced through the hacker group anonymous which makes wiki leaks less of a kind of whistle blowing outlet and more of a just a kind of publishing site for hackers which i absolutely do think reduces its not only its credibility but its but its role as a kind of moral outpost for free expression yeah there seems to not be sort of that time taken to go through and give these documents for people who are concerned

about what's going on instead it's just you know troves of things coming in and then being published it definitely is a difference and i was at the end veiling here in washington of that collateral murder video and it's really interesting how much that changed how it sort of put join us on the national. stage and i want to play a little bit about what assad said recently from the patio there from that ecuadorian embassy where he's been staying. the united states must bow that it will not seek to prosecute. or else support it. the united states must pledge before the world that it will not pursue journalists or siding shining a light on the secret crimes of the powerful so it appears and that you know one man's witch hunt is another's legal investigation i guess how did we get to this

point where songe is in hiding holed up at the ecuadorian embassy. well i mean it's a complicated scenario with songes legal limbo as so many moving parts i mean essentially he's he's he's not actually facing any charges of related to his publication yet but he's right that the obama administration is absolutely waging a war on on leakers you could call them whistleblowers i mean i would i would call some of the movies whistleblowers but. the obama's justice department has in fact and they did six leakers under the espionage act and that's more than any other president in history combines which is an amazing reversal of obama's transparency promises from two thousand and eight yeah absolutely i want to switch gears now to the future of internet freedom i know that you've covered this extensively for forbes and we've watched over the last several months the failure by congress to pass cybersecurity legislation and now it's come out that president obama is

planning to issue an executive order on this very topic so far what's been leaked out is pretty vague but give me your thoughts on this you know strengthening battle between internet security and internet freedom i mean who is in the lead well i what we saw in the in the legislation that that has failed essentially in with cisco was because of sharing between the private sector in the government that i did think was of major concern i mean one of the things that i try to highlight in this book is that there's a sort of. porous membrane between the private sector and the government that allows the government to swoop in and take documents or you know private information from the cloud in a way that is troubling i mean that we don't know what is in this every securities legislation yet but but i think this is absolutely the the internet moving data to remote servers has empowered kind of government surveillance that is troubling around the world in the u.s.

and abroad even more so finally on the i want to talk about something that's just sort of starting to come. now and that is news that a new i phone application could be coming out and that would allow apple's got the patent for this and basically it would allow people who get this app you know large companies to shut down the usage by other people of their cellphones or of their cameras what do you think this would mean on a larger scale. you know the full story about this but but i have covered another app called open watch which was actually a full suite of apps for android and i phones that allow you to turn your cell phone into a kind of invisibly recording surveillance or you could see sue valence the way your you're instead of the government surveilling you your suv alien the government from below but. i'm not sure what the this other after is that would sort of. be a counter measure to that but i do see

a lot of promise in terms of individual liberty in the in the sense that smartphones and other democratizing technologies are going to allow us to you know to watch authority the same way that authority watches us yeah certainly interesting this one a little different very very interesting the work that you have done i thank so much for coming on the show and green greenberg the author of the new book this machine kills secrets how we keep leakers cypherpunks and hacktivists and to free the world's information and i want to talk more now about this i phone application perhaps coming in the future that would allow companies to shut down cell phone usage remotely by individuals who aren't following the rules now we could be talking about gym locker rooms classrooms movie theaters or airplanes i know at least one person who would have loved this function during a fundraiser a few months ago when he was caught on camera saying this. for the rich or was. there. there were those. there were.

no you're. right. governor romney's comments have gotten him into hot water of course with both opponents and supporters still the fact that a speech given by a presidential nominee is recorded as shouldn't come out as too much of a surprise even at a private event after all live in a time where we videotape just about everything whether our dog is doing something adorable or police officers are beating someone up in the back alley it's the digital age after all and the freedom we enjoy because technology allows us to capture what's actually happening was actually being said but it might not always be this way i want to tell you a little more about this patent awarded to apple this week it's titled apparatus and methods for enforcement of policies upon a wireless device no in it a whole lot of details about why this policy enforcement capability is useful it

gives the examples of the need to disable noise or light emanating from wireless devices for example out of movie theater for preventing wireless devices from communicating with other ones such as an academic settings and for forcing certain electronic devices to enter into sleep mode when entering a quote sensitive area also in the patent a reference to use in government buildings so whereas now you may be able to record what your elected officials are saying well that could change we will of course keep our eyes on this story but we figured we wanted to tell you about it and let you know how you enjoy these freedoms to record and control your cell phone usage while you still have them. still ahead on our team get ready for a game of red light green light local governments across the u.s. are casting in on a traffic light violators ahead we'll ask if these red light cameras are installed for public safety or to make a quick as. a

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is the state run english speaking russian channel it's kind of like. russia today has an extremely confrontational stance when it comes to us. let's talk now about some pesky cameras that can really ruin your day if any of you have gotten one of these in the mail you'll know what i'm talking about the super annoying red light cameras installed on our streets to make them safer to catch those drivers who put other people's lives in danger right well it turns out the major motivation for them might be something else entirely money and while they have brought lots and lots of money to cities and municipalities across the country

they do come at a cost the cost of people's privacy for more on this topic i was joined earlier by mike riggs associate editor for reason take a look. studies of show studies that have been to your studies for your studies from florida from that sicko california have all shown that there is no discernible decrease in traffic fatalities were associated with red light cameras are still. in fact one study a new mexico found if you compare for intersections that had traffic cameras to six that did not end at three of the border sections of traffic cameras actions actually increase so what cities are keeping them on anyway i mean you know they get approximately twenty percent of the amount from a speeding ticket the other eighty percent goes towards the companies that supply these because these cameras are incredibly expensive so it really is just revenue generating projects in an hour something interesting and the city of rochester just adopted a new procedure that exempts city employees from paying for these tickets now

according to the rochester democrat and cock chronicle city of rochester employees have committed at least a hundred and nineteen red line violations while driving say vehicles now in some cases we're talking about ambulances or police cars but often those police to another sirens on and there were also violations by you know solid waste building services cemetery and library vehicles do you think this goes further evidence that the priority is not money is money rather that not safety. to a certain extent i mean they you know if you find somebody a city employee for running the truck like care right you know i mean that becomes i think part of it is just the frustration of the paperwork it may also be really that they you know they don't feel like they feel like the police should be sort of victims was not really exceptional about. city employees and there certainly nothing exceptional about laws that favors the employees over the rest of us police fire they've got all kinds of exceptions and not just in the driving that their

work vehicles but also when they you know when they have trouble at their jobs or that kind of thing so i mean. i'm not actually sure the public employees being exempt from speeding camera tickets has anything to do with the fact that speeding cameras are intended to generate revenue more than their own safety i think i just do with a totally separate but equally problematic trend that public sector employees in general get to play by themselves. i want to go back to something you talked about a moment ago and that is that you know what kind of cameras these actually are these are not cell phone style cameras these are very expensive pieces of equipment as we know and you know i held this up earlier this is mine but you can actually see you know the license plate a pretty good make out a pretty good picture of the person driving the car. so these are really really good cameras talk a little bit about i mean i don't know if you know how much they cost i certainly

don't and talk about the role of these private companies in sort of selling these cameras to different places while thanks to vandals in maryland the state of maryland we do kind of know much cameras cost because maryland has recently has installed everywhere that in certain parts of maryland that have experienced vandalism on their rumps light cameras they've installed another camera next to that one to to document vandalism so according to the state of maryland these cameras cost anywhere from thirty thousand dollars in fees to one hundred thousand dollars which is part of the reason why these only get about twenty percent of the revenue from these cameras because the other eighty percent goes to paying for the equipment and then also paying for the companies that that operate them and that issue the tickets because i mean cities are basically you know they've outsourced the big bosses a lot of writing tickets for speeding in general on the you know it's the started

out intersections to discourage speeding in scarborough by running now they've got everyone i mean there's not effective. east coast us they have these in the medians on the interstates that sort of this capture speeders but they're incredibly expensive. and if you think about a camera that cost one hundred thousand dollars issues let's say a two hundred dollars ticket. you have to issue a lot of those tickets to make your money back. a lot even more if you consider the fact that states and cities don't get all the money that comes from the scammers but the same time what did i say that saves you you know the pension a police officer that saves you gas for a cruiser that save you overtime you know so i mean so you see this is a cheaper way basically. i need to be crude of ripping people off it's a cheaper way of ripping people off and having cops out there sort of sitting around waiting to get somebody going six miles or fifty mike i want to talk with

you about that the privacy aspect of this from what i understand these cameras are not just taking pictures of the license plate on the person driving the car it also stores the date time and location data talk about some of the privacy aspects of this i'm going to a certain extent you know there's. anything that i camera's going to catch you right in your car there's a good chance the police officer could also catch you doing it because you're on a public roadway. and so there is you know there may be an argument to sort of quietly privacy to a certain extent dr i think even more troubling is that the these cameras don't have discretion and big can't you know nobody wants to are pulled over by a police officer who exaggerates that they were speeding but it would be nice if you're pulled over by a police officer who explains that you had to go to the bathroom or that your wife was having a baby or something and then you know yourself but you also can there's no discretion which are cameras and they also present the other problem that

a lot of times you know because bureaucracy is generally inefficient let's say you sold your car on monday and the person who bought it from you doesn't get a new license plate until friday and in between the day you sell it and the day that license was changed that person runs a red light and the speeding camera got his license plate i mean i've read lots of stories of. people who buy who they post their ticket online and if you've ever gone let me know that the ticket often comes with an image of your car running the red light or speeding and somebody comically posted this picture saying you know i got a ticket for speeding in my toyota corolla but the picture attached to get with the man on the boat that. there's all these kind of crazy inefficiencies and who do you review this with you know i mean you know i think a lot of people are finding that you can't argue with because you're fighting against a machine and not a person that it's an important discussion to be had and certainly when we talk about it this morning in our editorial meeting everyone sort of groaned just at the .