i realized everything. i'm tom is a big. bag big picture rubble joining me our friend jessica chambers editor and publisher of red alert politics the reverend alexander bullock president of rainbow push detroit

chapter and laughlin marc a investigative reporter with the heritage foundation let's get back to the electorate is fighting back against voter suppression id laws in ohio african-american women are rallying against the law and knowing that it's minorities who will be affected the most but here's what pennsylvania state representative darrell metcalf the sponsor of his state's radical voter suppression id law said in a recent interview about those with voter id laws. as it romney i mean what we have forty some percent of the people that are living off the the public dole living off of their neighbors hard work and we have a lot of people out there they're too lazy to get off and what being you know to get up and get out there and and get the id they need so i mean if individuals are too lazy the state can't fix that so is that true as a single mother working three jobs too lazy to take up time go to the d.m.v. and get a an idea vote lauchlan. i certainly don't agree with that characterization you know a lot of people have a lot on their hands working multiple jobs reasons. so on so should we make it

harder for them to vote i mean voting is a right of course but no not according the supreme court there is no there is no right to vote for president bush v gore it's not a right what is a right i think we should we let it go with a right then owning a gun but you have a right to only have the supreme court has ruled that exactly yet they've also ruled that it's perfectly legitimate to ask for id for you bottom no if they did i wouldn't object to it say that i want it that would remind you can walk into any gun store and you can buy it when you want it and but you can and you can walk around with a concealed i mean it's the most liberal guy i used to live there that's all i know you know they're it's a legitimate it's a legitimate request to ask for id you know even even upon you even the needle conducting your most basic one right says every state in the union people show some form of identification in order to register to vote in every state in the union and they sign they put down the signature and then in every state any when you come in

to vote your signature gets checked against your signature so it's a form of you know it's like looking at a fingerprint what's you know this is worked really really well for us for a long long time down in florida you know all crazy rick scott decided that he was going to go find the illegal voters and spent millions of dollars trying to purge hundreds of thousands of people off the list he found one guy who was an austrian who with a nice german accent who had moved to canada became a canadian citizen moved to florida claimed us of this and shipped so he can get his concealed weapon permit and he could buy all his guns and then vote in the two thousand and four two thousand elections for george bush the one guy who committed voter fraud that they were able to follow ok but let's let's take a different state was take minnesota. not the recall election the need to do the runoff between coleman and franken a review of voting records after that election showed more than one hundred thousand convicted felons voted in a runoff that was decided by just over three hundred votes ok so we're not talking about a theoretical problem here this is

a real problem if if those people. illegally voted right now they'd be in jail i mean we had we had last year there were sixteen prosecutions for illegal voting it's not people for you to prosecute voter fraud as a theory it's no it is not or could it is a felony and you know it it goes back to jail is expensive to promise you that your daughter for what it is difficult to convict for voter fraud a lot of states don't even want to enter into that when they know that voter fraud is occurred because it is expensive to do it it's hard to detect voter fraud i mean you would use the seventy four million dollars in seven years looking for voter fraud he fired seven attorneys general are several of them quit over the fact that they refused to spend anymore looking for voter fraud and what did they find more people in the united states every year die from televisions falling on them than commit voter fraud people who say that voter fraud already exists there clearly not reading the news in mississippi recently there was a member of the executive board of the mississippi m.-w. c.p.

and went to jail on ten counts of voter fraud she voted as ten different people who want to jarrett and she got caught and she did get caught and she didn't go to jail she was one of them that got caught it is not always easy to catch someone particularly if they did what she did which is you know did absolutely wait a second or another different and more of the bullet i want to get your thoughts on this but let me just make this point first if i may it we have a firm time or the. what typically what we do our cost benefit analysis ok we say ok you know if this. power plant is going to spew mercury into the air and the first ninety nine percent of the mercury is only going to cost a buck and a half to get rid of but that last one percent is going to cost five thousand dollars to get rid of we're going to let that one percent go out because you know we can figure out what the cost versus benefit are we look at that the spending hundreds of thousands millions of dollars to knock people off the voter rolls that five million people nationwide is what is what you know alec the american legislative exchange council is talking about five million people to stop thirty or

forty or maybe a couple of thousand people from committing voter fraud that doesn't seem to me like a reasonable cost benefit where you're not even looking at that anymore because progressives actually stop them from continually think house didn't see him in over fifteen states did rectally answer your question you know can you can you quantify this the sanctity of a senate seat being one with gentlemanly you know how much is that worth a senate seat that became the sixtieth vote for democrats in the last congress and we have heard those words were at all fair because of although i don't know that that's actually true is this may be one of the one of the right wing blogosphere because i believe that if the facts were that they could demonstrate that any of those felons voted for al franken he would not be in the u.s. senate right now there would have been laws wherever bullet what do you want if you can if you can quantify. the voter disenfranchisement seven hundred fifty thousand people potentially disenfranchised in pennsylvania we're still happy to see half the city of philadelphia is right we have to see the supreme court move in the right direction i mean in the state of michigan we won that fight i was at the

front line of that that fight to get the voter integrity bill taken off the table but this is called is what it is this is a strategy to shave the points is a strategy to determine the outcome of a national election to stop president barack hussein obama in his tracks i mean why would you all of a sudden know voter fraud manufactured crisis a net. you know we're rolling out of legislation right now for a manufactured crisis and then people already show id the utility bill. there's already a process in place right pins on the state but there's a process in place that is so identification and so this is obviously about something else this is not about voter fraud this is not about voter integrity it's about disenfranchising the forty seven percent of people who vote for president barack obama so that we can get leverage in an election and so just like in two thousand we saw what happened with gore where my fear is that we don't see something like that happening this year and this week ahead we have basically four

groups who find it hard to get voter i.d.'s and that is people who live in urban areas you know who are poor who wouldn't have never had who never owned a car and so never never need a driver's license i live here in d.c. i don't own a car but you know i used to own one so i have a driver's license that's a couple years old. students people college students elderly people and disabled people i mean you know these the the forty seven percent. and there's a bit of though is that this is the larger part of the democratic constituency of the left also want to say that minorities are being disenfranchised i'm here to tell you that minorities are not being disenfranchised by congress but i am not being disenfranchised i am young i am also a minority i come from a state that as a voter id law kansas that's one of the big targets aloft on voter id also kansas is a conservative state so why would we need to enact holder i.d. law in kansas it's not going to be stopping barack obama from getting elected if

you know people who aren't supposed to vote aren't voting in kansas so and also in kansas you can use your student i.d. to vote so that argument particularly in kansas that it's disenfranchising young people is absolutely incorrect and over the numbers these are and nobody is disputing these numbers after americans twenty five percent don't have a photo id to asians twenty percent latinos nineteen percent college age people eighteen percent seniors eighty. percent and all of these seniors they're not going to get out of the d.m.v. i mean there's their house and people and poor people the working poor three fifteen percent then you look at you know white folks it's only eight percent you know that's the republican conceiver is right predominantly right but seniors who are often cited as one of the groups being disenfranchised predominantly vote for republicans why would republicans want to cut seniors off from families because they've got a guy on the ticket who proposed voucher rising medicare. or younger maybe romney and paul ryan are leading with seniors right now is holy so it would be very much not in their interests for the republican party to disenfranchise that group what

they're doing according to the most recent new york times poll mitt romney is leading with fifty three percent of the vote on seniors and barack obama has thirty eight percent of the vote on seeing i think very good not at the end of the other three constituent doesn't mean well but but going back to minorities i find it offensive that liberals think that minorities aren't smart enough to figure out how to go get a voter right now i'm sorry it's not about being it's about that so i'm going to do i do it and are who when she gets off of work goes home had to take care of her family does not have time right and should not be burdened i have to go and get i don't have to get i'm sure you're going to get. i mean this is this is this is a undue burden. on urban populations on seniors on students on that forty seven percent and i believe that this is a national strategy to try to save the point we don't have to steal the election outright right we can shape the points and this would not be in place if we did not have just came right out of spec

a nine hundred eighty i mean the founder of halliburton legislative exchange council is that i don't want everybody that's right you know elections are not won by the majority of voters fact here this is paul weyrich telling in one nine hundred eighty the guy who was running and helping run the reagan campaign help from both bush campaigns and was the founder of the american legislative exchange council which pushed these laws here is. how many of our christian have what i call them grown good government they want everybody to vote. i don't want everybody to vote elections are not won by a majority of people they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now ok matter of fact our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up only populist goes down. this is the guy who is the founder of the whole thing earlier you try to characterize these laws as being enacted this year to stop barack obama from being from winning a lot of these states of the had these voter id laws long before barack obama we're going to have or in our problems i know that was paul way work in one nine hundred

eighty he helped found the heritage foundation as well i mean he's been in the senate is that that's an accurate representation of why the laws are the laws shortchange indiana have had laws since before barack obama every came into office and you know what's funny about george in indiana was minority norty voting is actually went up since they had the voter i.d. laws whether it was clear of the person right or we seen would almost almost thirty eight states i mean this year rolling this kind of legislation out i mean we've seen a movement of sorts but even more so that you know every great gain in this country has been about including people in democracy the civil rights movement women's lib these movements have been movements that have included people into the democratic process now all of a sudden it's very strange that we have a movement to exclude people from the democratic process i find it amazing but you know obviously there's a difference of opinion here we'll come back with more conversation more of tonight's extended edition of the big picture rumble right after this break.

you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize

everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom hartman welcome to the big picture. here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that many americans call a dollar. i'm sorry i missed the guy who cares an awful lot about you sorrow are a fool you know what kind of my carousel in your neighborhood all want to give us aid to feature isn't the only liberal and the christian point. i can see your beliefs about it because it's going to school for you to distract us from what you and i should care about because they're a profit driven industry that sells a sensationalistic garbage he calls it breaking news i'm having martin and we're

going to break that. back to the friday big picture rubble joining me are francesca chambers editor and publisher of red alert politics forever india alexander bulk president of rainbow push detroit's chapter and laughlin mark a investigative reporter with the heritage foundation let's get back to it violence and protests continue in the middle east as a result of an anti muslim film made in california and now it looks like we're giving extremists in the muslim world something else to be upset about a new ad is about to be run in the new york city subway system reading in a war between the civilized man and the savage support the civilized man support israel defeat jihad should advertisers be embracing as the flame

a critical part of the planet is this like are we yelling fire in a crowded theater and frankly for me more importantly jihad means one thing to a very small sliver of radical islam and it means something completely different to all the rest of his law jihad for the rest of his life is part of norm it's part of the normal it would be the equivalent of confession in christianity or in catholicism or bad tism and in in the bad for the bad as i mean it's just a part of the religion it's got nothing to do with killing people so what you thought well to answer your question no i don't think they should embrace it i think everyone who should embrace what the advertisers should not embrace you know what we're talking about here is a government's deciding whether or not something can be displayed in public property so should we embrace the message absolutely not we should condemn it but we cannot legally and morally allow you know allow governments to decide what is

and is not acceptable speech assuming of course assuming of course that it does not incite people to violence and by that i mean the legal definition of incitement a stablished branded in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine which says you have to be directly and intentionally inciting people to imminent lawless action and that you can certainly do in that do that clearly does not do that it it doesnt. it doesn't say if you're israeli a civilized person and here it is really and implicitly if you're muslim they use the word savage they know you don't work they never use the word muslim in any harm i would nice not unique to one religion no what i'm saying is that they never use the word muslim so to say that this is an anti muslim ad and that's exactly what they're trying to do i wouldn't i wouldn't say that i wouldn't be around because i am i did not think that savage is the word that i would personally use i would have used the word terror read. as a as a much better word with the terrorists if i'm not saying it was ready to be actually. this is like this is this this is like you know we're used to having to

like folks you know this is this is kind of double talk double speak you know savages we know we know who the savages are in this and the savages. american citizens almost but just this cannot stand and the government. protects free speech not hate speech you know the government does protect hate speech and in fact we allow but not of whiteness and cites for how it is insightful in this this is not satisfy the legal standard for incitement it's simply a fact wait until you wait until the you know a city burns and fran my brutal u.i. was established when i believe it was it was a white supremacist of some sort came out and said you know if the government doesn't do something about minorities we're going to have to we're going to. know you said they're going to have to get violent and they determined that did not satisfy the stand your got thirty seconds francesca your last comment on the phone all of us thing is no do i agree with that no i would not have used the word savage i think that was a terrible word to have use i think the word terrorist would have been better to

have used in that statement and i'm just saying i don't find it and anti overall muslim ad i think that it was an anti here rest out and that's why it's a terrorist extremist that and those who are and i i i find it interesting that this kind of cleves along almost political ones but any last question for you. talk about spray tan gate here is mitt romney at the univision town hall looking darker than normal. there was actually a line we could see the make up on his neck and neck it was a different color and under his eyes were different color so what do you guys think happened here was he trying to look more hispanic or did the makeup artists for univision sabotage him was he was he harmed by them because the you know this was i mean people people been talking about this for today or i think absolutely it's either i think more men go tanning and want to look tan then you think but he didn't in the press conference before and he didn't in the next day he wasn't made

up like this it was just for this one little dig you know you think i don't know i think the fact that this is news really speaks to. the whole church and really what drives ratings this shouldn't be knows i mean it is it is did him roll the make up artist but let's listen let's keep our focus on his policies his policies a bad for america let's stay right there archeological a group that i agree with the first part of that statement anyway you know i can't imagine that he was really trying to i was who is out of my way to make them so i don't know if any of us could chambers the reverend ball bowler laughlin mark i thank you all. for shit. so tonight i have good news and bad news for you first the good news just below the

surface there's an enormous political shift underway in america that's going to sweep the far right reactionaries out of power and put moderates in progress is back in control bad news is all hell will likely break loose before this happens think about a major political shift in america have occurred in reaction to major economic. crises stock market crash in one nine hundred twenty nine in the great depression put into ten years three republican administrations free market corporate rule in the one nine hundred twenty s. and gave way to the new deal revolution and a huge political ship to the left similarly several decades later the economic crisis caused by problems in the middle east in the oil embargo in the late seventy's gave way to the reagan revolution and a massive political shift to the right here we are again today in the midst of another economic crisis and a subsequent political shift the financial meltdown of two thousand and seven and two thousand and eight at the end of the bush administration swung the pendulum

back to the left with barack obama winning the presidency and democrats gaining big majorities in the house and senate. it was nineteen thirty two all over again yes the two thousand and ten midterm happened and congress snapped back to the right but in my opinion that was an anomaly i think was fueled in part by racism it was made possible by the supreme court's citizens united decision as we see today looking at the polls and the failure of the mitt romney campaign who probably won't continue this swing as hard right swing in two thousand and twelve instead i believe over the next few years the united states will move to the left in response to three decades thirty two years of failed reaganomics and so-called and failed so-called free trade policies that have crashed our economy and because the right continues to endorse these same policies today they're going down lawmakers in washington are figuring this out as t.p.m. reports mainstream moderate republicans are preparing a resurgence they're getting ready to take back their party from the far right

crazed tea partiers who've taken it over as chuck schumer was quoted as saying there's always been a group of republicans that want to compromise but they have it out shout it out flanked by the tea party if democrats keep the senate and the president wins and even better if we take the house the mainstream stream republicans are going to be strengthened it told me that republicans at least the ones who aren't crazy which is not that big a number these days but still the public is who at least the ones who aren't crazy realize today that embracing the far right reactionary wing of their party a total losing strategy moving forward and democrats realize that embracing their progressive roots going back to f.d.r. going back to lyndon johnson not the vietnam war but backed it back to the great society back to things that actually made a great america great put people back to work eliminated poverty reduced poverty

these are winning strategies moving forward. i even want proof of this look at the democratic national convention it sounded like it was straight out of the new deal or democrats who are proud to be progressives they were railing against corporate power in the billionaires running things they were promoting a we society with a strong and vibrant social safety net and telling the rich who pay a maximum fifteen percent income tax and live in this rarefied bubble they were telling the ridge that reaganomics is dead and a guy's tired to pay your fair share of taxes again this political shift in my opinion is clearly happening although like in one nine hundred thirty two it won't be without peril yes we're moving to the left but those who've made a lot of money gained a lot of power since the last shift the people on wall street who literally there's

over a dozen people who literally are are taking home a billion dollars each a year and paying a maximum fifteen percent income tax rate just like mitt romney pays since the reagan revolution they're going to do everything they can to stop the pendulums to i'm talking about the corporate elite the millionaire and billionaire class political shifts of the far right are always peaceful because they don't ruffle the feathers of the rich powerful political shifts of the left that's a whole nother story they can produce violent reactions from the hard right during the last big shift leftward the corporate elite like the du ponts and the remingtons planned a coup d'etat they enlisted the help of general smedley butler back in one nine hundred thirty three to march a well armed and well financed army of five hundred thousand men in washington d.c. to physically remove franklin delano roosevelt in the white house it's known today

as the business plot and luckily general butler blew the whistle on it before it could be carried out. but the point is the corporate elite and their lapdogs far right politicians they're not going to relinquish their power without a fight or without taking the rest of us down with them i mean we've seen this now in a couple of cases where the republicans were willing to literally crash the economy of the united states they were willing to they were willing to to what they did that destroy our credit rating just to try to make the president look bad just to stop the movement to the left this could mean even an armed coups like the attempted nine hundred thirty three or it could mean committing our nation to endless wars across the planet you know while desperate bid to galvanize support here at home you know the whole let's let's try and scare people thing the whole whoa look at this it's a ran now it was iraq before you know it's they've got weapons of mass destruction now saddam hussein he's all you know the center of evil. who's going to be next who

are these right we're going to tell us we need to beef so afraid of that we need to go to war with i mean this has been their strategy for reacquiring power and what does it do to the united states it wipes out our cash it we pay a huge price in blood we get devastated our reputation around the world are they going to do that are they going to try and sabotage congress like they've been doing for the last three years blocking all the legislation they can try to make our economy crash so that the president will look bad they already appear to be doing this but whatever pitfalls are on the horizon the left is better prepared to come out of the chaos and take back power with its message of a we society and its message for the ninety nine percent clearly the political shift underway in america is not going to be easy but rest assured it will happen. and that's the way it is that i friday september twenty first two thousand and twelve for more information on any of the stories we covered visit our websites of

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