hello again and welcome to the spotlight for the show on t.v. . today my guest on the show is how. more than a century long history cinema has left sorry for experiments today in search for something new hollywood directors try out different things mostly itek like three d. and other effects europeans have chosen artistic one of the latest experiments of that kind was made by the brothers movie caesar must die is becoming one of the biggest breakthroughs of two thousand and twelve the younger brother this is my

guest on the show. the brothers most recent major achievement is the golden bear the highest prize awarded at the berlin film festival they wanted last february for their latest movie caesar must die a documentary drama played by the inmates of a high security prison the career of poland vittorio jani began a one half a century ago they used to be journalists to filmmaking and in their first short film in nine hundred fifty four since then the brothers have always worked together . vittorio have shot about twenty movies so far then. hollywood filmmakers are among the most influential directors in europe they won the cannes film festival prize in one hundred seventy seven and the grand prix. in nine hundred eighty two.

but. welcome to the show. thank you very much for being with us well first of all i would like to ask you how was the idea of the caesar. how did you come up with it. it was a spur of the moment decision usually we spend a lot of time working in films. we write we come up with stories many of our stories end up in the desk drawer and years later we come back to them. but this time our friend called us out of the blue and suggested why don't you visit this next some security prison. where the inmates searing very long sentence even life sentences say shakespeare then take. shape.

we didn't really want to go we had some doubts about the trip we were busy with other stuff but finally we decided to visit this president. and we were absolutely shocked by what we saw. we saw prisoners redone to be shakespeare on stage. and many of them did it in their regional dialect napoleon for example. many of the inmates serving long sentences come from the south of italy because of its unfortunate myth your history. spear with passion in their southern dialect made the acting even more intense. because of all that we really scared shakespeare for ourselves. it was a shock because we're very familiar with shakespeare but there we saw him in a completely new light. we know why don't we make

a documentary about this. so we chose. while working on the film we didn't know if it was going to be a documentary or a feature. we just wanted to communicate the emotion here you mentioned mafia julius caesar is all about power about betrayal about murder does it have a particular appeal for people connected to maffia people that i have a specific attitude towards towards the violence. every. it is true. when we discuss shakespeare with the convicts some said william is our friend. many years ago five hundred years ago he told the

story of us our tragedies our guilt of what we did. when we spoke about jago and other characters they found in familiar. they made these people in the horrible scary world they came from where they were lead character unfortunately. has told their story. their acting was very passionate and they need the story real when bruce q. sees or he says i loved him but i killed him. when we showed this part a close my brother and i were touched because we knew that for the actor it was not just a scene in a play. he saw something from his past. lives of his friends who were around him. one british director said this is the original to shakespeare unique in comparison

to any other staging of shakespeare. you said in one of your interviews i quoted that you were a little skeptical at first but the experience shocked to the core what was so shocking for you in the experience of working in the prison. the most shocking thing was watching how the inmates staged these plays. and rounds of applause afterwords. then we went back to our life for freedom and they went to theirselves. doing something together and they were free for a while and then this freedom was over. we left and they went back to their cells.

once we were walking down a prison corridor or there were give us a lot of freedom to move around and some cell windows were half open and we could see the convicts lying in their bunks. they get an hour outside but for the most part they just lie down in their cells. and one of them said. don't call us prisoners. seeding watchers because that is what we do here we just watch the ceiling. we feel so sorry for them. they didn't. i wonder if you and your brother had to talk to the prisoners before you start to jump production maybe it was your producer who did that i mean discussing it so what i want to know is that was the what was the first reaction of the convict's to

the whole idea of performing and filming it. with enthusiastic. yes they were and they love this they love this idea we had a lot of disputes with them in the beginning there is a theater director on the prison staff. and then who devoted his life to sieging shows with a convict. his name is fabulous and he's a very good director and so the inmates were already used to before me on stage. and when they heard about us they looked us up on the internet to see who are these two brothers or they're coming to their prison to teach them something. and when we talked to them so i am sorry they like i mean you and your brother was that important that they would like you personally. see. i remember exactly that's my point that's the answer we got.

we selected candidates for their roles and one of them said. i don't want to play its heaviest because this is my friends. but we told him that his friend does not suit the role and it is up to us to decide because we're the directors and he said we need decisions today has to be our way not anyone else's we said they can advise us but that said in response that person said you'd better be careful because we're not ordinary people like your actors for instance orphan some children. he wasn't threatening us he just said that we need to be conscious of the fact that we're dealing with a different kind of people that are different from those we deal with when shooting your films. then we said ok if you don't like it. so we left and we waited to hear what they decided we waited for three or four days and

already started to worry because we were already all hyped up about the idea that we wanted to film it no matter what it takes we started staring at the ceiling ourselves and all we could think of was their reply and they called us back and s.s. to return and their leader the man who plays cassius in the film said ok we agree to terms we should do what you tell us because we respect you because you have a gift and also because you look people in the eye when you talk to them on the back so so so you had to play by the prison rules by that time the war i mean yes you had to admit that by sea. i mean relationships between people are no no no no no we're not so no i wouldn't say that it's all on the sick rita last impulse that's making our film in the fall

of our directions in the film itself. that i know the feeling itself was the law both for us in for them. and i thought they wouldn't have given us maximum freedom and the thing that inspired us most of all was that we could shoot a film inside the prison so for instance to portray brutus tormented by the stewards and emotions whether to cure or not to kill would put him into a prison cell. other conspires in prison corridors actually it's about the power that comes from the place was filmed in because that place speaks the truth itself as we feel it. that's an innovation in film production and the public should appreciation for it to people like me up it's up so there's a filmmaker paolo time vianney spotlight who will be back shortly after the break so stay with us we'll continue this interview in less than

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a statement about how art can transform anyone's life even those imprisoned for life what was the effect of the play of the film the con convicts was their life really transformed after they worked with you and. i think they were deeply moved by the film one of them said that he could hardly recognize himself so. we think it was a very positive and in lightning experience for the prisoners to take part in this play to see the public welcome them or. people have no see in the film and will not forget about these prisoners. they will come away with the thought that inmates are human beings too just as anybody else even though they've been

convicted of horrible crimes. the prisoners are aware of the change in perception to how would you describe the genre of the of this movie is it a feature film is it a documentary or is it a drama based on a true life story how do you describe it or is it in between summer and in. the. top of your i would see is the kind of film which never me the vittorio are able to classify. during the production process we would often ask each other is it a documentary a drama or a theatrical performance. and we were basically guided her feelings without trying to mold it into any given narrative form. it does have some kind of narrative but not in the traditional way so it's really hard for me to classify the film. one

thing i'm sure of is that the film was so successful in eataly because people there were able to classify it because people were. boasting that's what people told me they had the impression that if you was made by a young director. it is true to a certain extent we're both in our eighty's no it was when we started the shooting the way the process that we often told each other we're playing with the camera just as we did when we were young and should our first film. we felt as if we didn't have any restraints we felt like novices like the first time when we embraced cinema and it was this spirit that helped us to produce the extraordinary work that i cannot fit into any category most of the film. why did you film it on black and white film or was it made later in post-production

now all we need the black and white for two reasons. one is very simple. beginning is in color and then we go six months back so we wanted the audience to know that this flashback is just collections and that it all happened in the past. but also. is very naturalistic. what we see around us and what we see on television is only in color. regionally films used to be black and white but not any longer. we didn't want to make a naturalistic film we didn't want the event in the prison to look naturalistic it was not supposed to be an ordinary documentary where they would show you the environment in great detail in color the cells the bar doors.

instead we wanted to show the absurdity of the prison of the fact that if you form in a shakespeare's play so well it was also due to the black and white format which are direct to photography insisted he wanted the contrast to be very intense because hugh and your brother belong to the older generation of filmmakers many people may think that this black and white production is actually a tribute to. the. see. i wouldn't call it a tribute we come from new realism i would say we started black and white but then we shifted to color productions the only black and white film that springs to mind is the first one we did together with my brother it was called and then for burning . we don't have any sources of inspiration for this but wait to be truly honest

there was one when we were young we truly loved cinema including real estate and so did films like those made by siri eisenstein or several of. a feeling. i'm not no. different you see for us me in the new me we're almost contemporary directors we had a thing with a great russian cinema. of human she will. we started shooting this film it felt as if we were young against the black and white film rekindle the old flame the passion we had for the great black and white cinema by say dryer or eisenstein . stayed in this respect our film was indeed inspired by the old cinema but only as a flashback of our younger days. it was only through black and white that we could

tell this particular story. because. it was a story. you and your brother both used to be journalists. i would suppose a lot like i am so i would suppose that that when you doing something like this like this movie there's some sort of a message you want to convey to the public what was the d.c. compassion to the accused what. do. rossini used to say it is the postman who brings the message. don't try to convey messages but indeed there is this is a message for us personally. i've been doing that my whole life you know. we would like audiences easily and worldwide to find out what values people who

committed murders in the end state human. war. in their ears are impossible to rectify. over the years in prison some of them have changed and one should help them in their study there really. here is a healing session for them too in their feelings through the genius of shakespeare . and shakespeare has helped these people more than anyone else has. therefore our message consists of compassion empathy and respect for them. you see in one of your interviews i quote making films is about discovering something that's never been seen before and that's the way your words however you often mufon make films they still shaped tolstoy it's what leads you to turn.

again and again to the classics if you think that your work is about discovering something new. boss the story in today's leaving for us there pollyanna to see the place where leo tolstoy wrote his great works some of which i keep in my bedside in particular or in peace. so i'm referring to this because tolstoy dello and other classic writers have been a source of inspiration for us. but we've never tried to make adaptations of their works. martin or not they're well my every time these writers can really feeling that reasoning aided with what we were trying to get across we used their works is moot ifs in our films and we used their stories to present our own vision like

there was an article machina just. say i think you told story think you better in the low and good but for now you have been of tremendous help to these militia in cinema are two different languages. to speak their own language we. will have great writers but we always betray them in our films most of the city are there any more to get to school to answer after hours just to remind you that my guest today was italian filmmaker paolo lot kaviak and that's it for now from all of us here if you want to have yourself odd life after someone in the mines you think i fit into next time to drop me a line of al gore and i'm pat are you unless the spotlight interactive would be back with more for us to comment on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay on our take and take care thank you guys it is upset me in tears as.

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