yes and from people outside why is that is it is it because the cause isn't justified or are people just tired to wars. that the second world war the great patriotic war wasn't just one boy of course it was one boy you know the whole soviet people. the soviet victory defended depending in the end on the puppet support for the war and the willingness to to make a huge sacrifices also depended on having a political and economic system that was i would say survive the challenge of war and on the lives of the war and also impose heavy discipline on the population in order to secure victory today the picture in relation to various world cc's is very different. maybe most cases there's not a great sunday not great deal of popular infusion about was the sun the divided political. opinions which makes it very difficult to prosecute and continued as

well as particularly problems on conflicts such as the one we saw in iraq is still ongoing in afghanistan but why always the no one likes a war but it seems like an old days people were really driven to win at this point it was the fatigue with wars what it depends what the was about what system if you're talking about second world will russians kotak right petrol to a what was at stake was the whole future of european civilization today is was obviously the issues are quite potent in some cases there are divided opinions about you know whether or not the warriors were of the congo of what's at stake and so on but are the issues may be blurred because for example speaking of other experts we spoke to there saying that war on terror is misleading because it doesn't really define the enemy you don't really know what you're fighting for do you think that might be the problem. well the war on terror is is

a vague concept i think the problem is more the. when the war on top terror has taken the fall with actual wars such as the ones. we've seen in iraq and afghanistan. there's been a confusions about what killed jets objects of those bills you know initially the object is supposedly. you have to have six security objects of various kinds you know but then they get confused with various political and ideological projects new products to transform the societies in the american or in the west and self-image of course that that makes the whole scenario very complicated but also it seems like if you compare the wars that were fought in the twentieth century let's say the second world war since we started off with that. it was also an involvement of ideological clashes like communism liberalism fascism. what's important today ideology or nationalism or patrick is and what would what would

drive people today to actually you know want to win a war i think there are geological issues at stake in these various contemporary conflicts you know what various west governments and the elite eight western public opinion sees b. the state is no western liberal democracy in the values that i wrote represents terrorists and fundamentalists oppose cons are seen as being a fret too as values and an effort to assist them sober up because she's a striker now whether or not you know the fret is as great as it's made out that's another question on how you combat that fred that's another i think that you know significant ideological issues at stake in today's complex maybe not cause fundamental and not such a grand scale as the ones you mentioned in relation to the second or two up in the i think that you know ideas and values are very central to. these ongoing conflicts

because that's not the only for your state is also the state state interests and versed narrow political interests. at work here which you know again complicates the whole situation we're talking about ideologies and at the end of the day if you look at why. america wages all these wars or at least official version is that they believe that people in other countries that are ruled by dictators deserve a better idealogy which is democracy so they're try to export that democracy to those countries. save libyan people in benghazi from being slaughtered by duffey or save people in iraq from being slaughtered by saying but then the ways and means they do that. doesn't that really undermined their a core of the principles they're really trying to export and instead democracy promotion has been at the heart of american foreign policy for

a long time on going back at least to a side top of the first world war so it's that's not a new fee. the problem is you know what's the best way to. promote democracy is it by for military intervention is it by trying to impose your own system of other people is there even a way to impose democracy will recent experience which is yes that it's very problematic trying to export your system to another country and see that clearly in the case of afghanistan and also in the case in the case of case of iraq but there deal there is this come to america an ideology of democracy promotion that you know that democracy is not just good for america it's good for the rest of the world it's not just good for it from a political point of view it's also good from the point of view of few pieces and quite good motives i think underlying. the stakes of democracy promotion but as you say the way the way they go they go about it does have

a tendency to undermine its own goals you know if he talked to some of the former hewas officials today some of them actually acknowledge that the wars especially in afghanistan and in iraq. they were waged at a flip of a coin they didn't really gave too much thought of going in there and actually. having a clear strategy how to win why is that where they deep inside just so certain that they could defeat terrorism going into iraq for example or afghanistan not sure that's true in both cases there were very serious ventures seriously considered i don't think there were decisions of the drop of a hat there might be wrong decisions but i think so you think they actually gave a lot of thought absolutely what they didn't give a lot of thoughts or maybe what that misconceived in various ways was what happens off to the war what happens when you liberate when you walk upon what problems. is

that got from how you got to deal with them so so that that is i think where the lack of clarity comes into the picture and that's all part of the military strategy as well what happens after i mean you don't just go in liberate people if you know that they're going to be worse off once you're liberation it depends what you think is going to happen and the afghanistan and iraq case western societies united states great britain had a particular view based on their view of historic experience of what was going to happen you know when they went into these countries you know secured their military codes and then attempt to secure their place who goes on and that turned out to be wrong very much more complicated than they thought until the fundamental problem i faced was was you know ok initially they would i want quiet you know decisive victories but the military campaign had to continue in various forms and the continuation of military camp by tended to conflict with the political goals for

the democratization of what's not session so they found themselves you know a whole series of contradictions and complications which you know the result was in the afghan case they were drawing the chances you know there's a good chance the taliban may will make a comeback so so what's been the result of ten years of war in afghanistan exactly iraq is not a very stable country at this point stable is a. that doesn't apply to afghanistan at all and then you know we hear a lot of talk about new possibilities of going to syria or you know hitting iran do you really feel like western states feel an imminent threat from those two countries do we really need to go in those countries and invade them too no i don't i don't think so if you give us a big western governments feel for it from syria. the most and think. iran is a different case i think you know there is a perception on the right for various forms of the coast particularly in the case

of you know do regular acquisition of nuclear weapons but that's not just the threat seen by the west i mean you know the russian government also the fuse iran acquiring nuclear weapons as b. has has been problematic at least as part of the diplomatic and political effort to stop that so so invading iran would still solve the problem no no no no i'm just saying that russia doesn't want iran to acquire a nuclear weapon no law if they run perhaps not with nuclear weapons or russia as part of a political and diplomatic effort to try out of that i'm going to watch in the polls that's that's the right way to go and do whatever the military action is taken i do think that the experience of military action in relation to iraq and afghanistan how problematic is to is. a constraint on the america west and predisposition to military action in relation to run amok so sure about the israelis of course about that they've got to make their own decisions and

pursue their own course but they can't really act alone without american ackwards so. i would so i wouldn't necessarily say that depends how the israelis view the iranian threat or your for of an iranian bomb what one what risks that we have to tell you i personally wouldn't rule hugo that trail is right in the action in relation to iran which of course would be a very. frightening scenario should that actually develop hue of argue that soviet union was not prepared to fight a defensive war in forty one you've just said that america was really pretty prepared for the consequences of the invasion they lead to afghanistan and iraq. how should one actually prepare for a war of tomorrow. i mean that's very difficult because i mean there is disclose showed the generals always preparing to fight the last war and it is a cliche but it does tend to be true it's only as the conflict on faults

that that it's novelty its novelty becomes apparent there's not that to the actual conditions of the war so there is no way to prepare for a new war. would you yes the reason one of the ways that you can prepare for a new war is obviously by the lessons of history learning past experience but also you know learning the lesson that the future is always different from when the bill little bit circumspect was mine for the bubble as you call it said. chair journals you know you always said that it's very easy the event to say was should have happened and what should have been done it's much more difficult at the time so you know planning for wars preparing for war engaging the world is a very difficult and complicated complicated business and the stakes and my you know you know the whole history of warfare is of was going wrong and of things not turning out as the generals and the politicians expect jeffrey roberts historian

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disappointing in the russian premier league where they currently lie six what's more they have selection problems russia kept an ego at the knees so continues to be dropped after a. while fellow midfielder surrogacy mac and down the injured coach gillispie says he is his remaining players to believe in themselves. are those of you who were goal today is to return self-reliance skills and quality because we want them a bit others will come back to us later so we should turn our. strengths and skills back to the level that we had. one consolation for the russian champions is that ac milan are also struggling they are nine points off leaders here ventus in syria and could only manage a goldish draw against anderlecht san siro in their last champions league match milan are managed by civilities former teammate massimiliano leg and he too has faith in his own squad to turn things around. but there. is

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a mighty fine top the western conference after beating the nominee two one while to move generated a goal and an assist in a foreigner win for. the first goal came in the middle of the first period with the national predators player putting service to one nil up and he was to provide a midway through the second setting up yet again the kettle to make it just fifteen seconds later serve a cell got a third alexander but he and the man finding the target this time. denise rounded off a very comfortable for neil when put service self-serving in the western conference . a bit. while viewers in the us will soon get to see full games from the k h l sports broadcaster e.s.p.n. has decided to show them stateside and in the u.k. three get what you are truly currently has plenty to offer when it comes to getting our product on the market the clubs which currently feature in the child players

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