on to the best moment that will reflect on the reputation of politicians so when the same position the end of us will war when it was said that this war is being prolonged by those that have the power to bend the canada that brought their troops home two years ago so the netherlands fringe new zealanders are coming out early absolutely no reason why you shouldn't bring our troops home now the only reasons that we're tied in with the politics of the united states we don't independent state we have to remind ourselves that we can take our own decisions and what we're going to see in the future is deepening trouble they'll be more slaughter because of this whole of this fictitious fictitious aims of the war was seen to collapse happening now there is no possibility that we can train the afghan people and army and police the poor who will fight their own people who will kill

brother afghans for for a corrupt election read election rigging the previous president or to defend the interests of a foreign country it can't happen you say that ministers are keeping soldiers in afghanistan to protect their own reputation but how does the deaths of more soldiers protect anyone's reputation the official attitude is we must protect our reputations against our previous mistakes and end the war so that history will judge the politicians made the right decisions in fact we've been making the wrong decisions for many years you maintain that what britain is doing is arming and training its future enemies and i suppose there's a historical precedent for that there is a very powerful precedent that the americans trained and armed the mujahideen and the mujahedeen other. worse government afghanistan as hand in one hundred years the

taliban were a great reforming improvement to move but we've done this in the past and we are going to do it again there is no way that a taliban army or police are going to risk their lives kill their brother afghans in the service of a foreign country when we've gone or in the service of a corrupt president they going back to their tribal loyalties the backs. and the passions will be divided as they always have been divided and the likelihood is that they will be disorder when really we went through a civil war was going on the country was bitterly divided when we after we leave after we've left a few years the situation will be very similar they'll bill be more civil war and it the likely future rulers will be the taliban what lessons then should have been learnt from both britain's own colonial past and the soviet union experience in

afghanistan in two thousand and one in strasberg a very a bally and member of the duma tapped me on the back and said you british i'm going into afghanistan and you captured it in a few days and saying that we russians did that and we were there for ten years we killed a million afghans we spent billions of rubles and we lost sixteen thousand of our own soldiers and when we came out we left a puppet government there but there were three hundred thousand. in the hills who eventually took over and he really said to me it will happen to you and he's absolutely precisely right we deluded ourselves we told ourselves fairy stories about what was going to happen we could change things and we couldn't there was a ba nine cause that the russians were taking up in afghanistan. on of taking

people into bottom life giving them a chance to improve materially i mean nothing really happened in the end in we went in decided we couldn't get rid of the drugs trade we were ending corruption we were going to give women a better deal and nothing has changed corruption is exactly the same possibly as drugs trade is is ninety percent of the drugs in britain come from afghanistan tony blair told her ninety percent twelve years later ninety percent of the drugs still come from afghanistan it is a different there is more of the cheaper of the streets and more people corrupted in two thousand and one the afghanistan was the second worst place in the world for a woman to live no it's the second worst place in the war of we're going to live with the objectivity of the war was a hopeless were utopian and we've we've wasted lives and huge sums of

money and we end up in two or three years' time with a situation just as bad as the one. before we invaded and let's talk a bit about the logistics and message that pulling out now would send what about the soldiers who are serving in afghanistan at the moment those who have already served and the families of the soldiers who've died when pulling out now send a message that everything they've done has been essentially for nothing but it's certainly a tragedy that those families must go through this trauma of realized that this was a war in which nothing has been achieved but sadly that they have to face that eventually what is would be immoral and cruel is to tell other people the same lies and the people more lives should be lost in order to comfort the bereaved or to comfort politicians that they made the right. as humans at the

moment there's no conceivable reason why you shouldn't start telling the truth to people and say that there isn't this mythical threat. of terrorism in britain somehow ending by being by be afghanistan if we say to the taliban why are you killing our soldiers when they say when we've killed all your soldiers we're coming over to newport and to cardiff and we're going to blow up the streets no interest in that the reason the taliban is a killing british soldiers is because we are the foreigners with the in for the world with a foot of rain easy and we're occupying them by force of arms their country it's this sacred religious duty to kill us if we're not there they don't kill us i mean to for the simple argument to understand so what you're saying is that pulling out of afghanistan right now wouldn't affect the security situation in the rest of the world nor not not in the slightest there's security threats to come from pakistan

they come from the yemen they come from somalia i mean they come from bradford we have a an attack by al qaeda that was from people brought up in england is it not there better to have the us as friends rather than enemies what kind of message would leaving now send to america which at the moment is that supposedly a trusted friend and ally we have a claim that we are an independent country and we spend billions on an independent nuclear weapon we should be an independent as far as afghanistan is concerned we've already seen countries that we greatly respect and admire similar to themselves pulling out of the conflict quite rightly on ridley they've given huge contributions in blood and treasure we should take our own decision we know that at least eighty percent of the population are same for goodness sake bring our boys home by. christmas all right message received no troops what about trains drones

that are an enormous problem i believe in that they've altered the rules of war that for the first time ever there's an ability to kill with minute accuracy enemies in other countries borders don't exist very hideous problems in the future . a few days ago and eight at least eight innocent afghan army women in civilians were killed as collateral damage a slight error by a drone that's a problem in itself but the whole morality of warfare as the drones are affected is an unwritten page nobody is worth it there are no rules for this but when we're in this position where we have the drones another the enemies have the drones and it's a totally unequal battle and i believe that the world has to think very seriously

about the morality of using drones in warfare and the problem is is that the policies we've been following for so long in afghanistan and iraq is the belief that you can win hearts and minds with bombs and bullets you can't and the battle of the decade will be winning hearts and minds of making sure that we're building some trust in the world community to be destroyed by part of it by the belligerence and foolishness of our own military operations how do we then turn that around is there a political solution we try to build trust in which we know ourselves we try to convince the muslim community of the world who who instantly believe any fiction about western society who want to persecute them we've seen the riots that have taken place because of a foolish piece of film the soldier but the most. the muslims around the world are

prepared to believe that because they've seen we have double standards we see them that we're not being fair in the israeli palestine situation and that we've got to be in and attack muslims in in iraq and afghanistan so of course they don't trust us you mention the riots that we're seeing because of this film about the prophet mohammad obviously there's a large muslim population here at home do you fear that a section of it will be radicalized by what we're seeing throughout north africa in the middle east is i'm sure that the great danger the world faces is that the riots are irrational they're based on nothing really there but the myth is believed because opinion among muslim communities has been crying need to believe that the west is against them and i'm afraid we dangerous situation the tinderbox could go up at any time and in part it's mainly. been ignited by the foolishness

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turkey in syria is closer to conflict with a fresh exchange of shelling across the border on saturday as ankara warns that war is and some are calling the ongoing provocations from syria a false flag operation by the rebels aimed at provoking foreign intervention. police in bahrain use tear gas and water cannon after crowds of pro-democracy protesters to stand on the nation's capital this by the government crackdown clashes happen daily with the opposition pushing for more rides and an end to war over rule. moscow demands justice for a russian student beaten half to death in a canadian detention center was dumped there is reluctant to comment on the chances

of his recovery. and a day of silence in venezuela ahead of sunday's presidential election which is expected to go right down to the wire between current socialist leader of the charges and his young democratic rival. leslie i was here at the sports next with richard. welcome to sports day great to have your this is plenty to get through on the top of the headlines. looking up turn to be the role still to one to go second to the russian premier league just point behind the leaders on. your sharapova is currently on course against mali make the final of the china open. them back on trying to sponsor mosco just the second to wind each in a cage show the overtime sort of style. football with teddy

girls may have gone back up to a second in the russian premier league table once for a moment anyway for a two one win side have not lost the last three games while it is a model put in the home side to head off fifty two minutes defend her. the corner from blago is going to go if. almost immediately the c.e.o. squandered the chance to extend their lead as powerful strike ricocheted off the top of a cross bar of a sudden movements from time and amount i did make it to no. call to my play collection of sligo proved to be only a consolation victory of the chechen side scent of a season of spam from four second just a point behind on g.b. overall solves a thirteen just true wins from eleven so far. for elsewhere on saturday in form like my t.v. take home swap and villages team but we're looking to extend them being run to five

games as a real relegation zone vaunt in prospects you need not go to boulder who are rooted to the foot of the table they're in action and small ball via just one place better off and elsewhere along here welcome clueless appeared to. fall in england on saturday champions manchester city whose bogey saw on sunday evening to avoid a repeat of last season's scare the first of six top flight matches on the last campaign roberto mancini's side dropped four points against a point counts and it could well have been six city came from three one down at home with five minutes to play before a point over sunderland stole one of only three sides to have avoided the city in the premier league game on the last two years and cheney is aware playing on sunday lunchtime after a champions league wait is never easy. but if that's the game. but from this game. i think that this point in tripoli would be important in this group last point that we need when we were

three one five minutes to go and after if we really. was an important point in the league in that we need to remember that game is important that we we do two points also if we will be a tough game. after our much needed chelsea has won us nora just one of the wellcome pictures reading and west from rock bottom q.p.r. second place ever turning to nearby wigan and west ham host hostile in a long and ali. well in spain on sunday host real madrid el classico defending champions rail trail leaders rivals pass one points just six games messi has scored ten goals over also for barcelona but one hundred percent record ought to me and tito vilanova well off reports tongs hossam amin israel have won the last four games for stoner now though it's not a two hundred thousand

a week so boss midfielder harry hyundai's isn't getting complacent. independent them and the difference between us in terms of. anything can happen with us and what we have played classical is when we had a few and in the end to didn't matter last year we were two to spirits but lost at home but we also know that now we are eight points above rail and it works in our favor and gives us confidence and if we will be eleven going to head of them. but on the side of the maria sharapova is working to make the final of a china open and she's currently on course and her semifinal against nalini well it's currently going very very well for sure up over as she just one game away from victory six pool five love she leads so far with this some consolation for lee and she's already secured a final spot in the season double th championships in istanbul later this month while world number one victoria azarenka will play my own part to be

a spot in the final. on the men's semifinals joe will be tsongas from the place in the form of a training on open of his opponents spine it will see on the lopez retired in the second science of the second semifinal world number one of a joke of age takes on germany's foreign maya djokovic his woman has lost two meetings including this year's wimbledon quarterfinals. burned in japan and the indian meals ryan which defeated andy murray in three cents richer on orion which back in one down in the final st to win for six free six seven seven six hundred marines first defeat since he won the u.s. open in the final round it should play the local favorites a maturity beat marcus baghdatis in straight sets six two six trips gold. moving on to ice hockey shane morrison got his first cage shell gold and sponsor a free to overtime when i was sort of stolid but a goalie of opening the scoring to sponsor only my first period however two goals

in two minutes will set us on take the lead. into one in front. of the all of the knowledge on that is unsafe. however. this rich shot sent the game into overtime. i'm sorry i got it for my n.h.l. . morrison hearing it's getting my goal sponsor going this second winter nights that i wasn't home from school sort of style right. elsewhere mckay jelled the nominee goals are needed overtime to clinch a two one win over. martin's kosmos goal when the far you go middle of the game winning patrick you live under five to win of enough to he make. meanwhile n.h.l. saw a child could make his debut for cage side live from prague later on saturday is. against some beads but the north trophy winner moved to europe from across the

bruins and says he slowed it down to the line i mean you'd be over a decade playing in north america. being here two years ago it's been really nice thank you. the start of the season getting. a glow thanks for putting stuff in. for most of us. to see a different experience the culture and history and. the patiently excited it could be employed for the. well finish a basketball where your league runners up on russian champions are bearing from the basketball season overall service on the gone number of changes and a new head coach taught in the senior jungle go arounds tells us more about the arguments ins and outs of the summer. discussed most successful coach of recent times a tour messina who's back in the russian capital after three years of absence during this period the team's dominance domestically has continued in

a similar trajectory with cisco within every league title on offer however in the euro league things weren't as good as in two thousand and six and again two years later when the muscovites led by the tail in coach became champions of the continent they were just seconds away from their seventh ground last year with viewers because those in charge but let the victory sleep into the impaired his hands despite that most messina called the team the best in europe last season almost if they were the best team because the results through the year proved to be where i would say i'm not afraid to use the word dominating. fortunately doing this in the championship is a sign that the scene ok maybe just one single game can. prevent you from receiving the trophy shooters are. much water has gone under the bridge says the previous season however not only the captain of the boat has lost cause has abandoned ship but also talisman and regular lenka to mourn gordon and alex

a shred have left a big hole which need to be filled as a result the political of new players were introduced to the fans the american trio of aaron jackson sony wimps and do nicholas get on with their six i've loved america called up to hopefully to sky to new heights. this summer because it's a great organization you know all the way from dorgan ization to the coaching staff to the players. slee just to compete at the highest level every year in their ambitions are always to you know to make the final four and to win the your early so as well as all the other competitions that we play and so you know it's considered a great honor to play for a club like this and hopefully just try to win. the team has already won if you try this for susan silverware but still see. the first leaks cup coming from germany

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