we've got this huge earth covered. the u.s. government has been taken by surprise by the recent wave of anti-american violence one fold in thrall to muslim countries following its role in the arab revolutions washington was expecting more gratitude does support from the nations involved but did the u.s. have sufficient cultural and social understanding of the region and on the societies of the countries they were into vinnie to discuss that not only that we are now joined by sociologist and they had of london school of economics craig thank you very much for being with us my pleasure so what do you think was the kind of miscalculation of the u.s. government people in the united states and in the west generally were enthusiastic and imagined it was all about you it was about facebook it was about tweets on twitter and it was about the definition of democracy it is common in the west but in fact it was also about strengthening different countries trying to establish

rights for a wide range of people not only those who are sympathetic to the west but the whole population the americans who are stranded in the first place were indeed taken by surprise and when we say did they know we have to ask do we mean by they did some experts working in parts of the universities in the united states or in the intelligence no more than some politicians of course i think that the politicians trying to understand this needed to listen to a wider range of american experts as well as to the world and the people in the region they have a middle east and listening to those people not enough and talking about who we've been hearing that from hillary clinton we've been hearing this frustration from an american secretary of state she has sat why and. how could that happen in the

country we how to liberate i think here you're talking about libya she's been coming to the killing of the u.s. ambassador in libya x. and libya and here i think the situation was always complicated and that's almost always the case that there is a lot of complexity and it's too easy to rush to the conclusion that the future will turn out the way you wanted too. and the libyan case in particular may involve only a minority of the vians the libyan government has also condemned the killings it's not true that libya has turned against the united states on the contrary libya has shown a determination on the part of many people both in the government and in the larger population to try to get rid of violent armed conflict to punish and disarm those who killed the american ambassador so in fact there is a pretty strong turn against that sort of threat in libya what parts of its

strategy should u.s. and its western allies amend visibly those countries and other countries to avoid negative consequences in the future well the most important thing i think is to be very cautious about a forceful expects really a violent intervention i think that that's extraordinarily risky and so we should watch out for advocates of violent intervention secondly i think that it's important to recognize that in every one of these countries as in every country around the world there's more than one voice i think that the u.s. should be very concerned to show that it respects muslim people show that it respects different nationalities the way they they showed the opposite well some people for example those who made this horrible film about the prophet

which offers an insult to the prophet did not treat islam with respect and many in the region think that that somehow represents u.s. policy it doesn't represent u.s. policy but the u.s. needs to make it clear it's not easy hard to it's not easy to i don't think it's not many people it's not and president obama and secretary clinton have both said this but i think that we need to record. is that just saying it once or twice isn't enough we have to make sure that this is the basis of the actions of international powers part of what that means is encouraging trade encouraging educational and other cultural linkages so that there is a growing relationship of trust and mutual understanding but it's not easy in countries where people have not had many opportunities where they find it hard to trust not only international powers but their own government on many occasions where there is not the experience of easy friendly management of differences but differences often lead to violent conflict in those cases we have to be patient and

part of the u.s. need in relationship to the middle east is for patients we shouldn't expect things to change overnight we think that it hasn't been a reaction from the time was that exactly but from a very special group of face to science or was that actually at all possible to avoid this while those people they may have been i mean waiting for something like this it's never impossible to get rid of such possibilities it's never impossible to guarantee anything one hundred percent in international affairs or in terms of domestic peace is specially when there are people who want to have a disruption i don't think that we are going to influence those people who want to violence and who are willing to use those tactics but i think we can have an influence on how much sympathy there is in the broader population by making sure

that we don't back repressive regimes and become associated with them that we are appropriately respectful in matters of religion is this. the cause behind and why the intervention supposed to brain democracy and freedom peace and prosperity brought instead filings and chaos actually the the. chaos that we see around us is structural it's built into the system that doesn't mean it always has to get out of hand or always produce violence but it means that we can't imagine it a way we can't imagine it will just go away if we get one perfect policy we have to resist most of the time the impulse to think that there are just good guys and bad guys and if we intervene to help the good guys then everything will get better i think the proof of that story is libya it's something we have to listen to in relation to syria i've actually witnessed the beginning of the conflict in this country and just being there recently it is indeed very complicated what's going on

in syria which is we've got to all this complexity of the situation on the syrian society particularly how you see the conflict played out that well i give you two different answers because on the one hand a prediction on the other hand a hope my prediction unfortunately is that the bad situation will get worse my hope is that before that happens there will be a way to stop the violence enough to get people talking to each other about a more peaceful transition so far the international community has shown that it is not clear it doesn't know what to do i don't think anyone is entirely on the right this it's not a good idea to back repressive regime and to give it the hope i think false hope that it can stay in power and overcome that street but it's not a good idea to imagine that rebels are somehow all democrats all liberal all people

who are going to simply work for a good future. they have their own sectional interests their own personal grievances their own different kinds and the opposition is very much divided streamlet that's why i use the word factions it's divided there's not even a clear majority if the united states invades syria that's a disaster to sell arms to one side or the other is to continue the conflict and right now both sides are getting arms on the international market very easily with different backers that means more people will be killed possibly the best action would be try to try to reduce the global availability of arms and here both of our countries are at fault what impact do western that interventions have on the societies in those countries in terms of mentality let's say how people detained change following those interventions i can see myself that i mean people i mean they've changed the process of rebuilding the peace building it is

cultural change it's education it's economic relations and it's developing legitimate government every one of those is made harder. by war and conflict ok what about the western societies how did they change following all these events it's it's through massive popular pressure that the west is withdrawing from countries like iraq and afghanistan and we feel a kind of war fatigue in those ties to its two thousand and one and the attacks of that year of september eleventh are in a way a symbol for they are the only source but the anxiety about the middle east and about islam has become an acute thing for many western countries it's shaped by different factors in europe there's an anxiety about immigration in the us it really is more tied to conflicts linked to the middle east and the sense of having

been attacked in the homeland this has affected a large population and it's effected some people by making them hostile towards muslims it's affected other people by making them worried about the change in america and you're right to say america has changed america has adopted new security legislation that make it a less free country because we have more surveillance and we have that because people are worried about public security what will happen if there's another bombing so what's happened in the western countries is that the fear is more basic and so more people are making their choices based on fear. and not as many people are making their choices based on hope or optimism about living together peacefully let's not talk about london school of economics and it's experience that they call themselves the bad chapter over this cold history that

alice eve has had very special relations with the regime of colonel moammar gadhafi formally been leader and this pashley with his son safe on islam i've interviewed safe in tripoli and he's been talking a lot about how did this experience change him i think i guess it's been a mutual change so it's been all ok until one moment when the british government turned away from libyan leadership at that time and this exactly what happened with the school it south and something kind of apocryphal see here don't you agree with that i don't think there was a part hypocrisy i think we have to say something rather similar to what i said about countries that there were disagreements there was not just one side the school has been faulted for receiving money from a foundation linked to saif al islam gadhafi the son more there khadafi there were objections there was an argument there were disagreements the school never had a whole position where it said all could off is regime ok or not ok we don't take

positions on regimes in that way there was a complicated situation and it got extremely simplified in the way it was written about in the press so it's been completely independent in that case right that's a very strong statement it has been more independent than is sometimes suggested i think completely independent receives not only from the government i mean it hasn't been influenced by. the government's attitude government influence did not control the attitudes or what went on in the school choices were made in the school the school is influenced. that's in various ways by public opinion more broadly by governments right but we try to maintain enough autonomy that we always protect that intellectual freedom so you side mistakes were made so you know they had of london school of economics i'm sure you will do your best to avoid those

mistakes in the future right i'm sure i will find future mistakes to make i think that there is no leader of any institution of any size who doesn't make some mistakes so we should good luck with all those mistakes. thank you very much thank you without. by force. by tractor. the road. as a carpenter. as a stove setter. farmer. as an assistant. as a friend. as

a relative delivering post delivering. motion would be soon much brighter than before the bombs from phones to pressure. from stone totty don't. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so silly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm trying hard welcome to the big picture.

here in greece with all protests banned in athens before a visit by german chancellor merkel and a decision on the country's next bailout installment this as the i.m.f. expresses uncertainty over the euro zone's intensifying debt crisis. brock obama's presidential rival mitt romney calls for a law for arming the syrian rebels as media revelations show imported crates of weapons are already in the hands of insurgents all this comes after six days of cross border shelling between syria and turkey. and beijing locks horns with washington over a record that recommends chinese companies are school to from doing business in

america due to fears of spying on the country the firms have responded saying the u.s. is just afraid to compete on the open market. turning now to the world of sports good morning to remind morning so it's all about russia with a bit of a north american slayer and you're both in today that's right super bowl russian style and the n.h.l. or steal the show you know i saw that plus much much more all coming up. hello and welcome this is pork with me her mom calls for of and this is what's coming up this hour. patrick madden of all choke to lead scott to a spectacular comeback victory over their must go counterparts say it's got. the final touchdown moscow patriots defeat scallops in the russian version of the super

bowl. and you're a scary knowledgeable travel with force you go ahead all right it's world cup qualifier with russia despite speaking off an injury in sunday's el classical. and let's go straight to the ice now where it was a busy monday in the kontinental hockey league with seven games on offer now before getting to the headliner featuring a lox out n.h.l. or spot and. here are the results of the other matches in the early game at a little but neither was scored three unanswered goals at a more if you get me model can save big on shore and cal or riley getting on the scoreboard in that one c.b.d. claims a narrow two one victory against cracked or while after mobilise they needed the shootout to defeat them it's a little novokuznetsk on the road looking at c.b.s. loves defeated bodies at home. so now as promised let's get to take a child that's all between russia's arguably brightest stars soup and any alcohol

choke those teams went head to head on most in moscow on monday night this time around it was kolchak who stole the show with a hat trick with sky beating say a scar in the army zogby are a bit hard on you on has more. than just a month you. could have only dreamed witnessing a match up like this. good shoes build let's you know it's unreal. sure susan can't show game the first army derby of the season saw horses to open the scoring with the russian magician that's not in his thirty k. chill deal and early in the second period when muscovites extended their lead alexander a do a follow on the men fell in front of the net with and now again fast and the home side of the fence man made it to nil. only fear would have suspected them because

all should show was just about to begin not to go through them which i were sure much about this effort as well as right from the russian people is going to get in a scenario like the one as i call church yesterday which was a forgiving stand and it paid off quickly divulge you did what every captain is supposed to inspire his team with the deal he won and scott geared up for an equaliser. with plenty of goal scoring chances for the visitors to scout they'll manage to stay in the lead through the second period however scare us come back looked inevitable and just a minute into the file period goal chicks court is second to level matters to all. and things got even worse for the hosts when given delmon scored on a powerplay three to scare had mounted i can back sky could have even the score but i think some there are do a miss the net on

a breakaway although in a culture of didn't go over the net in his third on the night seven minutes from time to set the final score of fourteen publisher to put those the national on that it was a good lesson for us fortunately the season has just started and we have some time to improve so we've got huge potential and we know what we should do to fulfil it are some more important games are still ahead for us the board so we splendor of spectacular action for high. with many of the world's biggest stars no show outstanding skills indeed. one unknown arche most. staying with ice hockey or washington caps old captain alex of who is currently playing for defending champions moscow due to the n.h.l. lockout while he believes that standard of competition in europe is stronger than across the atlantic. with a game i can see the guys the skill players. have agreed to.

the show is not working right now so children know it's a bit of sleep. ok all fake a h l ice now and to the football fields where it's been confirmed that superstar christianity or naldo will travel with the rest of the portugal squad and head of friday's world cup qualifier with russia right here in moscow the real madrid forward picked up a shoulder injury in sunday's two all draw with barcelona at the no camp but answer being examined by club doctors on monday he's been given the all clear to join up with the rest of the national squad a final decision on his fitness will be made closer to kick off both russia and portugal have one hundred percent records from their soon matches so far in group f. . meanwhile around all those a reality madrid team mate sergei ramos insists that he gets i thought race is

still alive following that suits who draw with barsa the catalan stop the table with josie motoring is ben eight points behind but the defender ramos says there is still all to play for. we're going to leave home without it i think the spanish league is very long and we still have lots of games and points to play for so to make an analysis at the stage would be foolish because a lot can still happen there is not who would have liked to reduce to get to barcelona to have more chances to do it. meanwhile it's eric grass' days belgian international jonathan faces a court appearance in his home country after crashing his car to a special station the twenty five year old was in that sound off song around at the weekend after not being selected for terex two one home victory to ross solve the incident occurred at five thirty am the share faces a court appearance and will be charged with involuntary assault and possibly intoxication. moscow played host to the american football finals over

the weekend for teens from across russia competed as the sport's tries to increase its fledgling fan base within the biggest country on earth richard and port fayed has more. it's a world away from the n.f.l. of the teams for most country and in school competing in the russian american football final this was their very own super bowl the sport is growing quickly around the country and in just two years the number of teams competing has moved and tripled. good for the ceiling which helped to coach at collegiate level in the states but still room for improvements is drawing yeah it's more of a it should be more popular because it's like what we need to russia face in context for team sports. good looking guys play the game yeah a little looking for. american football receives very little exposure in russia

there are hardly any games shown on cable well the rules and terminology a move an alien told us all sports funds were no russians in the n.f.l. or even in the collegiate system in the us which would certainly help to raise a school's profile however doubly a cool conceit is changing in the not too distant future i guess what i'm really belief we got some players can play now but not much money and hope lessons like collins and i have no dreams of but we got couple players from yellow right now and n.f.l. so we can do it i really believe that some day yeah russian where all the plays in russia annexes they receive no funding from the states so they have to finance over expenses them selves as well as holding down another job for only around five hundred players playing at the highest level within the country even still mark is one of them he took up his pole time to see it in films. and for him there's

nothing else he'd rather be doing with a gun it's a cool to school and it's the kind of game can only dream that on the field but it stays in the field once you come off the pitch you know fully relax and friends again with ponens i love the sport my wife isn't always happy with me but this is my life. the final was eventually won by the last patriots in the blank to be pitching you have been screwed you come from russia's ural mountains one thirty point points to twenty one and a crowd of around five hundred tons certainly had a fun times to go to new and of entertainment american football in russia is growing slowly but surely in popularity well it's never going to be able to challenge the likes of n.f.l. europe let alone the n.f.l. itself nevertheless from a group of players playing out here is a great opportunity to play a sport that they're going to love over the years presumed wolf we don't see. elsewhere at the o.p.'s it's a guy a cat bed that has won the chicago marathon in

a course a record time forty five thousand runners from one hundred fifteen countries lined up to pound the streets of the windy city conditions were near perfect for the elite competitors with temperatures hovering around five degrees celsius last year's winner kenya's most his most was missing with an injury get better though put in that zone and display completing the course in its eye off two hours four minutes and thirty eight seconds in the women's event russia's lead the show was aiming to become only the second ever four time winner having won the race for the last three years however she could only manage fourth place behind eventual winner at the o.p.'s said bice who narrowly beat kenya's rita jepson. and finally we've got some extreme but spectacular stuff for you to finish it's all about high octane engines and death defying stunts as in new zealand said let me share with one of the rebel x.

fighters champ. ship in sydney he edged out french rival barge in the season finale as the frenchman made a mistake leading to that fall while a new zealander sure would produce a flawless wrong to win his first world towards i don't at the age of just twenty sure would seal the victory in style as he came out on top in all five judging categories home writer john xxiii on winner of last year's events on cockatoo island completing the podium in sydney. and another all day says less than a couple of hours away meanwhile you may get more at any time by visiting our youtube channel at r.t. sport news thank you and i'll see it. even in the autumn of the errors. is never too late to start over.

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