thank you. this machine kills secrets is the title of a new book that chronicles the history and future of information leaks ranging from the pentagon papers to wiki leaks and beyond r.t. is now sitting down with the author andy greenberg who is also a reporter for forbes magazine welcome and it's a pleasure in your book you introduce readers to the inside world of how active this cypherpunks and digital activists such as wiki leaks founder julian assange which you came to the conclusion that in the twenty first century the world should

grow used to more whistleblowers like bradley manning and more groups like wiki leaks why is that well of the julius anjan in two thousand and ten and it's you know the time it seems to me that he was that he sort of made it seem so easy to to leak these massive tros of secret documents but i i i think the rest of the media didn't understand how this was possible where did this come from. some kind of just genius singularity or did it come out of some larger tradition or is it the technology that he used so i i wince on this kind of you know the quest to trace the ideas behind wiki leaks and then just you know once a sort of fell into the tradition that a song comes out of which is to say for punks a group that's been around since the mid ninety's who would have always dreamed of using encryption to to take power from the government and give it to individuals and i conceded that he was actually using technologies that are freely available that have been developing for decades and when you see that you have to wonder who

is going to use those technologies next it's not if this isn't all just about julia songe and it's actually a movement that's been developing for decades and it seems inevitable that it's going to keep evolving and then we're going to have another wiki leaks and another manning and maybe another songe if you travel to. around the world to understand the ins and outs of the hacking community you were tracking cypherpunks and you also spoke to members of other groups such as anonymous paranoia and openly well in two thousand and ten actually before i even spoke with a songe there was a kind of mutiny within the wiki leaks where one engineer known as the architects who is a very secretive guy who actually rebuilt the wiki leaks anonymous mission system and is known as is described has been described to me by other with he has as a very as a genius as a brilliant arc engineer he kind of led this revolt within weeks against the

sanjian who sort of oppose his managerial style and his his strategy in terms of what documents to release when there is what they saw i suppose as a kind of. you know focus on the media spotlight rather than the most important for me and so. the german person from. birth left to create their own group called openly send eventually in two thousand and eleven i had a chance to sit down with the architect we never spoken with a reporter before and hear his story of his time the wiki leaks why you left and what open leaks and trying to do and what is open to trying to open the one it wants to create one and says that they want to create a more transparent more better engineered sort of cleaner more systematized version of wiki leaks and also one that would avoid the wiki leaks pitfall of becoming this controversial for you know of of that it that it became after a published all these secret documents of leaks you know sort of became the

flashpoint for this battle for internet freedom and open leaks would rather kind of stay behind the scenes pass the information directly to the media and not publish anything itself and thereby you know the plan that was that the architect and. described to me too to avoid becoming that controversial targets for the governments and for the private sector to attack to shut them down so the deal was to create a wiki leaks that had all of the sort of explosive power of granting anonymity to sources but avoided the controversy of publication and just gave the documents directly to the media i think that the reason that we haven't seen anything come from open weeks is really just speaks to the lack of credibility that the group has after the split that the you know the rupture between open leaks and wiki leaks in the in the process of of diverging i think both of them discredited the other and

did more damage to each other than any intelligence agency or government could ever do as the list of these blowing hacking groups widens or gets longer how can the government at least have the u.s. . counteract the trouble and the damage that these groups can cause it's well first of all as you say this is a completely global movement and i did spend time with a group called balkan leagues and bulgaria that has very successfully replicated what we did using the same software in a lot of the same methods and they did obtain secret documents from the bulgarian government from from from anonymous sources so this is something that has been replicated around the world in the u.s. we definitely. i think we haven't seen a other wiki leaks organization sic successfully you know we build that system but . i think part of that is is as you say a backlash from the government that the obama administration has prosecuted six

leakers under the espionage act more than any other presidency combines so you know absolutely that there is a there is this a new war on leakers or whistleblowers you want to call them in july the head of the u.s. national security agency travel to las vegas to attend and speak at a conference called def con this was the first time that the n.s.a. chief ever attended this conference since it began two decades ago you were there you heard him speak. what did you think of his speech and why do you think the head of the n.s.a. finally decided to attend this conference when i was there i was kind of struck by the fact that this guy who who used to represent for the hacker community the enemy you know the n.s.a. has long been sort of seen as the bogeyman for hackers the you know the

government's. hacker and here he was sort of in the belly of the piece there was a really bizarre situation then and he was very warmly received so that was the strangest thing of all there were there were no eggs tossed on him or what had there really weren't i mean critical questions even from this audience of hundreds of you know what subversive hackers but i think what the showed to me was a kind of a what was how the american hacker community has evolved that it's become if it ever was political it's not political anymore the mainstream the mainstream cybersecurity world in the us which is very much about government contracts and start ups and making money and you know getting those beltway deals has subsumes what might have once been a very you know radical subversive community and i think it's no coincidence that

to track down the future of wiki leaks i had to travel to europe where i believe that there is a much more vibrant. politically radical hacker movements like the one that i was telling about at the cannes communication camp in berlin the computer club which runs that events has maintained a separation i think from the military industrial complex that the american hackers have and there's been a slow co-opting of american american hacker community by the government i believe how does that happen. i just think that's where the money is. so they're offering the hackers that they're offering jobs the how absolutely that's one. i wrote a story a couple months ago about classified ads that explicitly say we're looking for hackers who can build malware or who can write exploits and i don't think that i mean in some cases that might be writing exploits to test defense systems but we

know that the u.s. also created stuxnet this piece of malware that was used to shut down uranium enrichment facilities in iran so. it's it seems clear that some of the best american hackers have been co-opted by the u.s. government for better or for worse what do you think motivates groups like wiki leaks and on a mess paranoia openly what do you think. the majority of the motivation when i met with this on dry i believe. the sense i got from him was that he truly believes that wiki leaks is a kind of engine of justice that it's releasing all this information that in fact leaks themselves. the easier it becomes to leak information the more. the more punishment is levied against immoral organizations and the more that the more that benevolent organizations are rewarded he wrote this in season two thousand and six that he has a very efficient way of of sifting out of the moral and immoral players and society

of course has also made it motivated by his ego but i think if we if we have some kind of spectrum where. you know one side is just creating chaos and the the fun of watching stuff burn and tearing down institutions and the other side is that is a true ideology of you know trying to advance the justice in the world and i think it's onto somewhere in the middle and some somebody like. a group like anonymous is much further towards the chaos and i think that anonymous is a group that lacks of i mean they would they would say that they lack a kind of coherent idea. and you just do whatever their members feel like doing at the time and often that's tearing stuff apart for the walls what do you hope that readers get from your book well i you know i think we were all shocked by for i was shocked by collateral murder one of the appeared in april of two thousand and ten

and to me it seemed to come out of nowhere you know i think that the media as a whole has treated this the wiki leaks phenomenon as a kind of one off strange kind of miracle or disaster whichever you want to call it and so i wanted to explore i want to explain where this came from but in the process i think that. showing the history of this movement reveals that the way that information is changing as a whole and that there can be no more shared secrets that's the whole idea of secrecy among a crowd is falling apart and we think we saw this most recently with this with the romney appearance where he was speaking what to what he thought was a private crowd in his home private but the idea of a private crowds is. an oxymoron you there's always someone within the crowd ready to record and leak the information so i think we live in an era where secrecy is being redefined and that's something i just want to share with the world and

finally if you could just tell me a little bit about your last conversation that's on from what i understand it was his assistant that called you on the telephone right while i was walking down fifth avenue and i i got this call from his assistant and who put him on the phone and he really just wanted to yell at me about a story i had written about about. one of the founders of open leaks who had left wiki leaks and he told me. that basically had stolen his ideas and that i should stop giving credit to the organization and you know that sounds like a testicle and. it is but at the same time you know he was right there. open leaks has not actually succeeded to do even a fraction of what wiki leaks has done so you know to us i just credit he remains the figurehead of this movement's who you know has never been equals for better or for worse indeed rupert thank you very much for your time thank you.

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and welcome this is support with me room on call seven here's what's coming up. you might see didn't rommel alex ovechkin scores one of his trademark goals to help the muscovites to an away win in prague. road to rio russia hold their first training session ahead of friday's crucial twenty fourteen world cup qualifier with portugal here in moscow. and a rough day the world's top two golfers tiger woods and rory mcilroy both lose their opening matches at the world gold coin open in turkey. and let's start with a k h l where alex ovechkin has led in a moscow to the top of the western conference with a narrow one nil victory over left in front of over sixteen thousand spectators in prague which is in u.k. h.-l. record now with both teams sitting high in the standings it was the russian side

that headed into the game in a perfect mood after winning five in a row eleven the other side were looking to improve from their three defeats in the last five and this build up turned into a really close match for both one n.h.l. captains then a hora inspiring the hosts another alexander the great's of that skin spearheading the visitors and it was the latter that clinched the game for the novel as he parrett the puck through all the echelons of that the tends to push the muscovites to the top of the conference. enjoy a player. said before you'll be chosen if you will call him a boy you know we have a good soldier system and the most important thing in this team is. to play in the house and when he gives like that meanwhile to more cage shell games were held on choose they both also outside of russia ukrainian sides don't bust the nets thread

. severstal for one and more regal stored in overtime to edge the not moments in the lap band capital. of football where russia continue preparing for friday's crucial world cup qualifier against christianity when all those portugal in moscow now this is set to be fado capello's biggest test so far as a russian manager as his side go up against the group at favorites both russia and portugal have won their two matches so far in qualification he is in the squad despite the fallout from his disputes with the neat answer he wanted a bigger salary maxime gregorio is one of the new additions to the set up and the looking at the forward is expecting a tough test on friday night. of the killing is said that we need to prepare very well for the upcoming game and it's going to be a massive test for the players it's a real old if you need to be called up to the national see it though stone and i'm just really glad it's to be here. and let's stay with football but switch to the

russian premier league sports moscow's zefi to local rivals says come moscow ended what was an all full week for the red and whites who also sold their hopes of qualifying for the knockout stages of the champions league take a major blow with the defeat to celtic now richard dunne poor fleet looks at the problems russia's most decorated club is facing and whether they can turn their season around. a season that started with so much hope and expectation under new head coach and i imagery is quickly turning into a nightmare of a sponsor. there is still a long way to go both domestically and in europe but midfielder demeter's who says his side need to turn things around sooner rather than later as we have good games less about the problem is if we don't play every time we want to play or how you must play and you cannot play in this league with one or two they didn't do the job they have to do and if you did all the time didn't you don't get results and that's

a problem. moskovitz will not play again for two weeks as bad players will be on international duty however does use force were echoed by aiden mcgeady would be irish would also believing sponsor a struggling to create chances in recent weeks i can now explain i mean you need to hold him to be to be joe to go on playing well to go over. i mean i think overall to david and play by the obviously the two groups of this. you know we're getting a little bit of half chances after you know some cross he's some shots measure the box no nothing no. spots like haven't been held by lengthy injury list the really lost a number of key players including romelu who's out for the rest of the season and goalkeeper i'm very deep is missing for a month from a shoulder injury however mcghee doesn't believe this is an excuse and says morale in the camp is a great place. and it's not good and i mean obviously for the one to the. you know

one of guys you know. and i would if it isn't you know contention to go back up the league. don't think i was fortunate probably talk about what went wrong really to be merciless in disguise i was just having a bit of time off away from the shore so we're part of the i mean there's always people in you know temples. coming the full cost of games with us. oh sometimes i was here. last response i'm just seven points up the leaders on g. and i weighed against those heating so next time and it would revitalize great title hopes with just over a foot of a season gone however there is still much work for women to to do you have been explored minds drawing get his side winning again as well as sorting out a defense that's been less than was a time conceding eighteen goals and just live in games. which a bump will create antti will screw. now fans hoping to see

a showdown between the world's top two golfers this week could be disappointed now both tiger woods and rory mcilroy lost their opening matches at the world golf final in syracuse how woods lost by one shot to the south african charl schwartzel more than ours and michael roy lost by six shots to mats after an amazing run of triple bogey double bogey double bogey from the fifteenth they eagerly anticipate a clash between the two now it could be meaningless the players are scheduled to face each other in the final match of group one on wednesday but defeats in the morning session would mean neither player could reach thursday semifinals regardless of the result between them. elsewhere the international cricket council says it's to launch an urgent investigation into claims of corruption indian t.v. says it has evidence that six on buyers were willing to thinks world t twenty games ahead of the tournaments the west indies won the events beating holes for long in

sunday's final the sport's governing body has urged india t.v. to hand over any evidence that could help with investigation the i.c.c. also reiterated that none of the umpires named in the allegations apparently from for long called back east on and bangladesh were involved in any official games at the t twenty world cup. and in tennis russian mikhail youzhny is out of the shanghai a mess. following a first round defeat at the hands of big sur troitsky this serb wrapped up a six three two six six four victory meanwhile american dries there it is through to the third round kevin anderson of south africa mary chip it shows advance teams around straight sets win over more think lisa slovakia turn on the verge also goal so just the two sets to progress against one waterhole meanwhile the recently grabbed us open champion andy murray as it dismissed all the good it and the season as the world's number one. it's almost impossible to finish number one i don't know

why i keep getting asked about about three thousand points behind novak which is the equivalent of winning here one in paris and winning in london. him losing in the first run of every tour which isn't going to happen so the number one ranking is not something i'm focusing on just want to try and finish the year as best as possible and. and finally let's get back to football in russia where the premier league is say can a little break this week international games and for those who already began to miss it here are all the seventeen goals scored zero in the latest match day is goals galore enjoy first. live. live.

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