ninety's who would have always dreamed of using encryption to to take power from the government and give it to individuals i conceded that he was actually using technologies that are freely available that have been developing for decades and when you see that you have to wonder who is going to use those technologies next it's not if this isn't all just about julia songe and it's actually a movement that's been developing for decades then it seems inevitable that it's going to keep evolving and then we're going to have another wiki leaks and another meaning and maybe another songe you traveled around the world to understand the ins and outs of the hacking community you were tracking cypherpunks and you also spoke to members of other groups such as anonymous paranoia and open leaks well in two thousand and ten actually before i even spoke with a songe there was a kind of mutiny within the wiki leaks where one engineer known as the architects who is a very secretive guy who actually rebuilt the wiki leaks anonymous mission system

and is known as is described has been described to me by other what he weekers as a very as a genius as a brilliant arc engineer he kind of led this revolt within wiki leaks against the sondra who these sort of oppose his managerial style and his his strategy in terms of what documents to release when and his what they saw i suppose as a kind of. you know focus on the media spotlight rather than the most important for me and so. the german spokesperson for wiki leaks burke left to create their own group called openly eventually in two thousand and eleven i had a chance to sit down with the architect would never spoken with that reporter before and hear his story of his time the wiki leaks why he left and what open leaks is trying to do and what is open to trying to well openly one and wants to create one and says that they want to create a more transparent more better engineered sort of cleaner more systematized version

of wiki leaks and also one that would avoid wiki leaks pitfall of becoming this controversial for you know of of that it that it became after a published these all these secret documents of wiki leaks you know sort of became the flashpoint for this battle for internet freedom and open leaks would rather kind of see behind the scenes pass the information directly to the media and not publish anything itself and thereby you know the the plan that was that the architect in and described to me to to avoid becoming that controversial target for the governments and for the private sector to attack to shut them down so the deal was to create a wiki leaks that had all of the sort of explosive power of granting anonymity to sources but avoided the controversy of publication and just gave the documents directly to the media i think that the reason that we haven't seen anything come from open weeks is really just speaks to the lack of credibility that the group has

after the split that the you know the rupture between open leaks and wiki leaks in the in the process of of diverging i think both of them discredited the other and did more damage to each other than any intelligence agency or government could ever do as the list of these whistle blowing slash hacking groups widens or gets longer how can the government at least have the u.s. counter. act the trouble and the damage that these groups can cause well first of all as you say this is a completely global movement and you know i did spend time with a group called balkan leagues in bulgaria that has very successfully replicated what we did using the same software in a lot of the same methods and they did obtain secret documents from the bulgarian government from from anonymous sources so this is something that has been replicated around the world in the u.s. we definitely. i think we haven't seen

a other wiki leaks organization successfully. rebuild that system but i think part of that is is as you say a backlash from the government that. the obama administration has prosecuted six leakers under the espionage act more than any other presidency combined so you know absolutely that there is a there is this a new war on leakers or whistleblowers you want to call them in july the head of the u.s. national security agency travel to las vegas to attend and speak at a hackers conference called def con this was the first time that the n.s.a. chief ever attended this conference since it began two decades ago you were there you heard him speak what did you think of his speech and why do you think the head of the n.s.a. finally decided to attend this conference when i was there i was kind of struck by

the fact that this guy who who used to represent for the hacker community the enemy you know the n.s.a. has long been sort of seen as the bogeyman for hackers the you know the government's. hacker but here he was sort of in the belly of the beast it was a really bizarre situation then and he was very warmly received so that was the strangest thing of all there were there were no eggs tossed on him or what had really weren't i mean critical questions even from this. audience of hundreds of you know somewhat subversive hackers but i think what the showed to me was a kind of what was how the american hacker community has a vault that it's become if it ever was political it's not political anymore the mainstream the mainstream cybersecurity world in the us which is very much about government contracts and start ups and making money and you know getting those

beltway deals has subsumes what might have once been a very you know radical subversive community and i think it's no coincidence that to track down the future of wiki leaks i had to travel to europe where i believe that there is a much more vibrant politically radical hacker movements like the one that i was telling about the case communication came from berlin the chaos computer club which runs that events has maintained a separation i think from the military industrial complex that the american hackers have and there's been a slow co-opting of american american hacker community by the government i believe how is that happening well i just think that's where the money is and so they're offering hackers that are offering tops the how absolutely that's what i wrote a story a couple months ago about classified ads that explicitly say we're looking for hackers who can build malware or you can you know write exploits and i don't think

that i mean in some cases that might be writing exploits to tests defense systems but we will be know that the us also created stuxnet this piece of malware that was used to shut down uranium enrichment facilities in iran so. it's it seems clear that some of the best american hackers have been co-opted by the u.s. government for better or for worse what do you think motivates groups like wiki leaks and on a mess. paranoiac open mics what do you think that the majority of that motivation when i met with this andrae i believe. the sense i got from him was that he truly believes that wiki leaks is a kind of engine of justice that it's releasing up all this information that in fact leaks themselves. the easier it becomes to leak information the more the more punishment is levy that against immoral organizations and the more of them

the more that you know benevolent organizations are rewarded he wrote this in season two thousand and six that he he saw as a very efficient way of of sifting out of the moral and immoral players and society of course was also made it motivated by his ego but i think if we if we have some kind of spectrum where. you know one side is just creating chaos and the the fun of watching stuff burn and tearing down institutions and the other side is that is the true ideology of trying to advance the justice in the world then i think it's onto somewhere in the middle and some somebody like. a group like anonymous is much further towards the chaos side and i think that anonymous is a group that lacks of i mean they would they would say that they lack a kind of coherent ideology they just. do whatever their members feel like doing at the time and often that's tearing stuff apart for the walls what do you hope that

readers get from your book well i you know i think we were all shocked by for i was shocked by collateral murder one of a period in april of two thousand and ten and to me it seemed to come out of nowhere you know i think that the media as a whole has treated this the wiki leaks phenomenon as a kind of one off strange kind of miracle or disaster or whatever you want to call it and so i wanted to explore i want to explain where this came from but in the process i think that. showing the history of this movements. reveals that the way the information is changing as a whole and that there can be no more shared secrets that's the whole idea of secrecy among a crowd is falling apart and we think we saw this most recently with this with the romney appearance where he was speaking what to what he thought was a private crowd in his home private but the idea of a private crowds is now an oxymoron you there's always someone within the crowd

ready to record and leak the information so i think we live in an era where secrecy is being redefined and that's something i just want to share with the world and finally if you could just tell me a little bit about your last conversation that's on from what i understand it was his assistant that called you on the telephone right well i was walking down fifth avenue and i got this call from his assistant and who put him on the phone and he really just wanted to yell at me about a story i had written about about. one of the founders of open leaks who had left wiki leaks and he told me that. that basically had stolen his ideas and that i should stop giving credit to the organization and you know that sounds like a pistol and. it is but at the same time you know he was right that open leaks has not actually succeeded to do even a fraction of what wiki leaks has done so you know to us i'm just credit he remains the figurehead of this movement's who you know has never been equals for better or

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thank you very much karen welcome to the sports headlines here's what's coming up nice and cool alex ovechkin scores one of his trademark goals to help defending champions to the top of the western conference in the k.h. . pedal to the floor all ferrari's fernando alonso prepares for this weekend's korean graun free as he tries to hang on to his precarious lead at the top of the drivers' championship. boston as we bring you the best of the weekend's action from the russian for a nearly goals goal. but first it's an action packed day at the shanghai masters the second round of the tournament sees many of the top seeds taking to the courts top seed roger federer is taking on against john. as you can see he's just taken the first set former world number one novak djokovic has made the third round

wiping from bulgaria riddle dimitroff in straight sets earlier czech thomas but it should be obvious. meanwhile the recent crowned u.s. open champion andy murray progressed without playing off the floor in my build up with a rib injury. elsewhere one of the officials at the center of cricket corruption allegations has strenuously denied the accusation that he was prepared to fix matches india t.v. pakistani gallery and five colleagues from sri lanka and bangladesh were prepared to fix much is that the recent t twenty world cup the international cricket council has launched an investigation but gary claims the accusations are no more than a dent so. they could be year about it today i have spoken to p.c.b. if you shoot and told them everything with proof under this conspiracy it is a total blackmailing by the indian lobby they just want to do three pakistan cricket sometimes they blame the. players and now they are targeting officials

trying to almighty allah there is no other such problem in my ten year career becky i have remained on the i.c.c. panel for a decade i am satisfied with myself and confident that any decisions will be made in my favor. meanwhile in the k h l alex ovechkin has led to now moscow to the top of the western conference with a narrow one nil victory over eleven front of around sixteen thousand spectators in prague which is a new k h l record with both teams sitting high in the standings as the russian side that headed into the game in a perfect mate after winning five in a right level on the other hand were looking to improve from left three defeats in the last five one n.h.l. captains at no charge it inspired the hosts another alex ovechkin spearheading the visitors and it was the latter he clinched the game for the nama as he powered the pack for a left offense to push the muscovites to the top for so. common just player.

thirty four feel the trust of your. you know. who to call your system and most of all of this team with no in the knowledge to play no ultimately gives like that. meanwhile on wednesday in the k h l m or frost up to mobilise five want to harm some of you i haven't akbar's go head to head a new thought they face off in not several minutes elsewhere look martine for his glass while having a god visit at a lunch spot instinct it's. not a football on spot on moscow's defeat to local rivals to ask carr at the weekend ended what was an awful week for the red and white so you also saw the hopes of qualifying for the knockout stages of the champions league take a major blow with defeat to celtic which of import looks now at the problems russia's most decorated club is facing and whether they can turn their season around. a season that started with so much hope and expectation on new head coach my immunity is quickly turning into a nightmare of

a sponsor at moscow there is still a long way to go both domestically and in europe but midfielder damages who says his side need to turn things around sooner rather than later sounds as we have good games less about the problem is if we don't play every time we want to play or how you must play and you cannot just play in this league with one or two didn't do it if you did all the time do then you don't get results and that's a problem. the moskovitz will not play again for two weeks players will be on international duty however does use force were echoed by aiden mcgeady with the irish and also believing spawn tank a struggling to create chances in recent weeks i can't really explain i mean you need to hold him to be to be joe to go on playing them to get over. i mean i think overall to david and clear about by the oversight of the two groups actually this and i know we're getting a little cheated half chances after you know some cross season some shorts measure

the box no nothing no with the spotlight having been held by lengthy injury list to relieve last a number of key players including romo who's out for the rest of the season and goalkeeper under he can is missing for a month of a shoulder injury however mcghee doesn't believe this is an excuse and says morale in the camp is a great. it's not good and i mean obviously for the want of it. you know when i have guys you know. and i would if it isn't you know contention to go right back up the league. now i suppose will remember but from i'm not sure it was said i don't think i was fortunate probably talk about what went wrong with a team as a blessing in disguise i was just having a bit of time off away from the shore so we're part of the i mean there's always sell or people upset and you know temple's. come in the four games with us you know those are some things i still think. he was right last response hank who

just seven points up the lead is on gee we're going to go seeding side next time and it would revitalize great title hopes with just over a third of the season gone however there is still much work that you know even to to do other than explored minute drawing get his side we need as well as source of your defense it's been let's believe the time conceding eighteen goals and just delivering games. which are bumpy three donte. now to formula one attention turns this weekend to the korean graham free ferrari's fernando alonso still leads the drivers' championship but has seen his advantage cut to just four points in recent weeks the two time former champion has crashed out in two of the last four races with red bull sebastian vettel now closing in on the lead there are just four races left after this weekend if you expect a ferrari to keep those who fall on mclaren this year the misfortune nontechnical was for their rivals helped a long stay in contention for a third world title and ferrari's technical director says the road could go right

to the wire. we just need to. keep her calm and keep on developing the car we've got to make the right decisions make the right developments and try and make sure everything counts you know there's still a lot more coming through. we've got a long way to catch up with we're never going to give up we're going to keep on trying right right down to brazil now fighting let's get back to russian football in the premier league maybe out in this way for the international break but for those beginning to miss it here all seventeen goals scored during match day eleven this is goals goals so. live

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