by technocrats i think the origins actually go back to the very beginning of the european union the founding fathers had had a very mixed experience of democracy is especially of the referendum plebiscite re kind of numb ocracy that existed in the one nine hundred thirty s. they sort of mock or see as opposed to i would go so far so they were anti-democratic but they saw it is a potentially dangerous force that could lead to demagoguery to fascism and to war and so they were quite open about deliberately vesting supreme power in the hands of why technocratic experts who wouldn't have to worry about public opinion would be able to take the tough decisions and of course you know there is no such person as the wise disinterested expert they all have their prejudices they all have their assumptions and freed from the constraints of public opinion they were able to get on with creating an almost autocratic system which has stayed in large measure in place to this day which is why you know when people vote against it that is seen as

the beginning of the argument rather than as it would be in a proper democracy the end of the argument the recently released a book under the title a dim marriage which is about the relationship between the e.u. and the u.k. why did you decide to want to subtitle is britain and europe is not a is not a marriage. piece although well it's an interesting one i read the review of work by a marriage guidance counsellor i didn't read the book but the review said something fascinating. it said that a relationship can take a lot of arguing that rouser not a bad thing because if you are arguing with your husband or wife it suggests that you care enough about his or her view that you want to change it's when the rowels give way to contempt when the stormy sessions fall silent and give way to scorn the relationship is over and i think something similar has happened even in the time that i've been an m.e.p. when i was first elected constituents would write to me very angrily and say

outrageous that the budget is on approved outrages that all the money is being spent on these agricultural and foreign aid boondoggles outrages that the system is so undemocratic and now. what you get much more often is a kind of you know what you expect the whole system is rushing and that's when you realize that the marriage is over and i think it's just a question of time and how we how we negotiate the most amicable divorce and you've even gone as far as to call the relationship between your a craps and ordinary those is abusive yes in the sense that the ordinary voter if you like or the voter i mean we're not doing the order of the voter is seen as an inconvenience is seen as a problem you know when i think back to the way in which the french and dutch referendums were greeted six years ago every single speaker with two exceptions in the entire european parliament stood up to say how do we get around this problem you know why did they get it wrong how do we how do we really educate voters you know i was reminded of those that eerie poem by bertold brecht where he says

wouldn't it therefore be easier to dissolve the people and elect another in their place and that it didn't occur to anybody that the people have spoken and that therefore the politicians should listen talk to me about your assertion that it was brussels backed coups that toppled george papandreou in greece and still there is going e in italy what proof do you have of that well in two countries a an elected prime minister was removed from office and replaced with a technocrat who had never stood for office in his life not just a technocrat premier accrediting in greece it was the former head of the you're the former vice president of european central bank in italy it was a former european commissioner mario monti who as well as appointing yourself this prime minister appoint himself finance minister giving a whole new meaning to the phrase the full monty and didn't have a single elected doesn't have a single elected politician in the italian government now both in the case of the property most administration in greece and the monti administration initially we

were told that these were national governments that was the phrase used. and yet the whole purpose of these governments was to push through a program that would be rejected by the nation in the general election so if you like the the the last shreds of pretense were said to the velvet glove was taken off of the iron fist underneath which i'm sure you then had what was always implicit but is now explicit which is apparatchiks in brussels ruling directly through apparatchiks in rome and in athens with the people and their elected representatives cut out altogether i saw last week that mario monti said he might seek a second term i don't remember him seeking a first from your description it sounds terrifying easy for brussels today that what steps see your across have to take these were civilian jumpers ok it is true that the letter of constitutional propriety was observed in the sense that the parliament in both cases indorse the new government that's the case with every

dictatorship starting from the podium they always manage to get the parliamentary vote in their favor the reality is that we're dealing with administrations that have been imposed on countries because keeping those countries in the your was thought to be more important than allowing them to vote for the policies they want we do appear to be drawing nearer to a referendum on whether the u.k. should stay in the european union what would it take do you think for the government to take that final step well politicians in my experience feel the heat before they see the light i don't think any political party likes referendums to be honest because politicians are instinctively mistrustful of a process whose outcome they can't control nonetheless they all see that there is big public demand and people want to be consulted they feel that it's a huge issue in what country they want to belong to and that it's insulting and wrong not to allow people the referendum which all three parties were recently promising and all three have managed to draw back from i'll go so far as to say that the party which gets there first will probably win the next election and the.

people who feel strongly about this may be a minority but they are not an insignificant minority and it's a vote determining issue for a chunk of the electorate. and so. that's almost i suppose like a kind of game theory like a prisoner's dilemma my the party desperately wants a referendum but neither can afford to let the other get there first what kind of referendum decent course a simple in or out or a more complex construct i think ultimately they will have to be an in out referendum i think it's the only one that makes sense you can't offer people something that you haven't yet negotiated or something that isn't in your gift to deliver i mean if you had a referendum and said wouldn't it be great if we opted out of all the following areas but remained in the free market will you no idea whether the e.u. is going to give you that and so you that that's a meaningless question unless the renegotiation is already being completed by then and that's how i think it it should happen let me be is generous as i can do people want to stay in and is fair about this is like. if the problem is timing

and what is going to emerge from the eurozone crisis because that's what we're told no one now admits to being against the referendum in principle what they're all there now saying is now isn't the right time we've got to see what emerges fine if that's the case then pre-announce now and pretty legislate now for a referendum to take place in let's say twenty sixteen ok that's plenty of time you've then got four years you supporters of membership to come back with a deal that you reckon you can sell to the british people. and the fact that you preannounced that referendum means that all of the other member states also understand that if you don't get the deal that you can sell to the country the alternative is that we leave and we negotiate something differently from the outside i think if you did that then it is even possible that you could succeed in getting something along the lines of the swiss deal without calling it leaving i mean if it then becomes a presentational question whether you call it associate membership or whatever but what is absolutely certain is that if our own civil servants and if the other

member states do not understand that it's either a renegotiation or exit there will be no significant improvement in our terms of membership the result of a referendum is by no means a done deal is it was if people vote to remain in the e.u. or perhaps worse still if they don't go to toll as has happened in the past in european elections i have absolutely no idea how people would vote i mean having just been excoriated in the european union for its lack of democracy it would then be rather hypocritical of me to say well i only want a referendum if i think i'm going to win it you know the point is almost everybody in public life approaches this question by guessing at the outcome and then trying to work back you know ok if you think people are going to vote to stay in and you want to stay in your forty's surely somebody should stand back and say is this right in principle on an issue of this magnitude isn't it just the right thing to do to let the country decide i mean if we if we pestered everybody with a vote on the precise method by which they returned the members of parliament how

can we now turn around and say that they're not allowed to vote on whether those members of parliament get to run the country what about what's all three parties saying and they which is you know we've got this crisis going on our main priority should be to reduce the deficit we don't have the time with inclination now to talk about having any referendum is wonderful isn't it we were told for twenty years that now was not the right time for a referendum because europe wasn't an issue and now we're told now it's a wrong time because europe is an issue you know the eurozone crisis and all this i mean it's the ultimate. yes minister argument you know a perfectly good idea in principle minnesota perhaps now is not the most propitious occasion if not now when you know the eurozone crisis has wrecked the premise on which we joined it's falsified on membership terms europe is collapsing as a share of our exports the rest of the world is increasing almost by the minute as a share of our trade. the reason that we went in in the first place in the early seventy's in the argument has been deployed for nearly forty years has now been made redundant by the collapse of the eurozone economy and mulish insistence of the

euro zone governments on accelerating all the policies that have created the crisis that now is the time for us to raise our eyes to more distant horizons and reimburse the wider world daniel had on thank you very much thank you. well. it's technology innovation all the developments around russia we've got the future covered. just. your show and. what's the matter you. left the residue never profited from the performance you'll see him coming our

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little stories on all see is syria refute says absolutely untrue turkish claims that the moscow damascus flight was used to carry i mean issued with the departure board also saying the cargo was illegal. also is finite in american politics with vice presidential candidates facing off in a base has to do with awards and waste and seemingly as a trouble. has been the sons of message to war israel by admitting it's penetrated hundreds of kilometers into its tightly guarded aspace but amman does count an. hour ride as our whole host of international football matches taking

place tonight with an important game for russia in the capital this evening and has got more on that and the rest of this well coming up next. here i am again welcome to the sport and these are the headlines. skipper stays drops in the midfield ego denise self remains russian captain is fabio capello's side prepared to host portugal in friday's well cup qualifier in moscow plus to be done in the top side in the eastern conference lose five three to mess in the novice players and yet we've all go. down three hundred weeks and counting world number one roger federer out stays friend stan is happening here in shanghai to set a new milestone at the top of the rankings. perced the football and with the next round of world cup qualifiers set to kick off on friday manager fabio capello has

confirmed that the self will remain captain as russia host portugal for their third tie at the luzhniki stadium isn't it midfielder hasn't paid for his club for almost a month after a dispute over pay with head coach in china splatting which a bump or fate has this report. this is russia's hardest hit so far in the bid to qualify for the two thousand and fourteen world cup in brazil automatically however preparations for the game of portugal haven't been ideal for the goodness of which you need to make your headlines the twenty eight year old has been training with his unique reserves for the last three weeks after refusing to play in a league match against previous severe to do to him want to go higher salary however busy it would be under says he's in excellent physical shape and would be ready to take on the portuguese. show if it would look at i would like to thank fabio capello for calling me up to the national team squad and i'll try to do everything to repay his faith in me in terms of zinni i have read a lot in the principal with me and i think

a lot of what they're seeing is incorrect my mind isn't helping russia at the moment and after these internationals i'll go by. petersburg and sort everything out thir republican firm a deal serves as a key player for the russian national team and will remain as captain and even despite his problems the midfielder will have his national team's head coach's full backing. gary they have been in contact with dennis and luciano splatting about the situation with igor denise i've known for a long time that i would call up denise off as he's a very important player for the russian national team my main thoughts are about doing the best for the team if i had any concerns about his fitness then i would have sent him home russia will not have four memories about their last meeting with portugal as they were humbled by seven goals to one almost eight years ago today the portuguese have a ray of attacking options in particular christiane the rinaldo italian has been paying special attention to the team's tactics and he's positive his side will be

well prepared for potential credit they will face. will have a team meeting later where we will discuss our tactics and how we will approach the game and everyone's aware of the potential threat that christiana rinaldo poses of course will be trying to stop him but that isn't always that easy when he picked up an injury in his last game against barcelona of course i was hoping it would be more serious as that would have made our task much easier. capello is aware of who will stand against the portuguese but there are slight injury concerns about roman shirokov alexander case recalled and sigma shared it before been training individually so it's likely that the trio will be fit. and join a dream start to head coach of the russian national team six point six goals scored and none conceded after two competitive games however faces stiff his task yet has been a face for group failure as portugal and every show can get a win from bank game state bear intentions they're trying qualify automatically for

the two thousand and fourteen world cup in brazil richard on board dancey moscow well kristie i know now they did get a taste of the stadium during a short training session with his portugal team mates his left shoulder not appearing to hand to him too much after he fell heavily on it last week fellow madrid star peppery is also expected to be fit for recovering from a thigh problem. now there's been a major upset in ice hockey skates shell with metal nervous because nets stunning eastern conference the disappear five three enormous abyss mesler opened the scoring early in the second period through alexei yes him off and all those to be. levelled the score shortly afterwards it seemed to spur on their opponents with messages going on to score for unanswered goals the car a must see have gave the village is the lead again then alexander marget the target twice alexander medicine in gave his team the five one advantage before the closing period to be did fight back and school twice thanks to go and moon and of human

will to sheila but five three to measure their good finish despite the fates of beer on top of the eastern conference still although they are only two points ahead of frank gore chelyabinsk who have three games in hand netted a incidentally fish. on thursday that against the nominee also grabbed the road green claiming a five four victory at don back stance to see more lanes braced and slow over beat me in a shootout after the side's finish tied for fourth in overtime. that speech about where to go have survived a scare to make a winning start to this year's euroleague the muscovites he finished one is up last season beat latvian i fit your best rita seventy five points to seventy three seventy wings top scored for the home side with fourteen points in his contribution most frightful to scar moscow were down sixty seven points to seventy one but the former n.b.a. player score five points in a row and gave the lead to his team to dorsey added

a couple of free throws but it was still tight right until the day but he just had the last possession to win the game but missed the three pointer on the plaza so winning the early start to start their make it in the russian capital. and other news the current tour de france champion bradley wiggins says he's shocked at the scale of ever. it's produced by the u.s. anti doping agency against lance armstrong but believes cycling has now moved on from the dark days of doping usada produced a thousand page dossier detailing how armstrong took banned substances to fuel his seven tour de france victories with eleven of his former teammates coming forward to testify against him wiggins says it's now his responsibility as the current or champion to defend the sport which he believes has claimed itself. has won me as the current winner of the tour de france is still true i've got to answer the questions pick up the pieces expect to be the voice of everyone else beyond me.

which i'm not happy about doing rude boy i understand why i could do it my focus is always on trying to be better and competing next to you again. you know almost kind of sure i'm from the rooftops well look why did she really hear about is the future of cycling this country and that is the future of our sport and that's where it moves forward really i'm obviously a lot of this stuff happened nearly fifteen years ago so it's a sport how strange considering. we're a big part of my trainer will now tennis world number one roger federer survived a scare to at last fell a swiss in shanghai and ensure he stays at the top of the rankings for a record three hundredth week federer dropped the opening set only to gain the upper hand in a close second set on a tie break before taking the decided to love and next up for the seventeen time grand slam winner is mad in chile but whatever the result of that match the thirty one year old swiss will remain top of the world rankings on monday. second season

might just give a child a much easier time destroying an open champion never faced a breakpoint as he dropped just two points of his own and smashed a dozen aces decrease past spain's for the channel a pace six three six three in just over an hour the twenty five year old reached the searching for his mate the title in shanghai and his second straight crown after auto prevailing in beijing last week. i why us open and impeach ambien and remarry also breezed into the quarter finals the scotsman last alexander gold will pull all of ukraine sixty six two in just under an hour. and you think the song go will go up against thomas birdie in a top ten clash the french pronounce class cypriot marcus but there are to sixty seven six more burdick enjoyed seventeen aces enough hard for win over sam querrey of the usa sixty six seven six for the finals this one. now there has been

or there will be an all english world goal final in two key after justin rose hold an eagle to edge out tiger woods by a single shot and line up a showdown against lee westwood oros pulled off his best stroke of the day on the path for fourteenth to finish with a two under par sixty nine a knockout second round words by the slenderest of margins but next up the road isn't on fire lee westwood after the world number four set of course record of a ten under par sixty one to beat south africa's chelsea also by six shots westwood rounding played to the one thirty to make up for a double bogey on the fourth hole the overall champion will take home a one and a half million dollar check with the runner up picking up. it's. finally going moto g.p. champion casey stoner says he feels good and fresh is the astray and returns for sunday's japanese grand prix after breaking his ankle in august stoner's fellow

riders have been showing their artistic side meanwhile by drawing manga portraits of themselves. but all the talk was about the holder twenty seven next week and hopes to finish his last season in style the injury he picked up in qualifying for the indianapolis grand prix meant the honda rider has missed the last three races and is out of contention for the crown but his teammate dani pedrosa. that was thirty three points behind leading then zero four races the guy. it's actually really good to be back you know it's not the way i wanted to finish my last season you know with with the injury and having the city at some races and then i have a shot of the chairmanship so it was definitely you know pretty disappointing for us to to get the result that we did but you know we're here to do the best job we can from now until the end of the season and you know i feel good and fresh and everything so we'll just have to say how we get on with the black tomorrow and you know having this much time off it will be

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