as a country applying to join itself it would be rejected for not being democratic enough it's an amazing thing and we've stopped being amazed by it simply because of familiarity but we should be shocked by it that the only body that can propose new legislation in the european union is the unelected european commission if any country were run like that if supreme power wielded by twenty seven people were immune to the ballot box that would be regarded as not real. and yet the people who say talk most fervently about turning the e.u. into something like a super state are remarkably relaxed about the undemocratic nature of it and from that basic lack of democracy you get the contempt for popular opinion you get the way the slide referendum results if they go the wrong way you get a sense that public opinion is an obstacle to overcome rather than a reason to change direction it is an extraordinary and sad paradox that twenty

seven countries each of them a liberal parliamentary democracy in its own right have come together and accepted a system that would make zimbabwe look democratic and how did that happen exactly was this kind of creeping takeover by technocrats i think the origins actually go back to the very beginning of the european union the founding fathers had had a very mixed experience of democracy is specially of the referendum plebiscite re kind of numb ocracy that existed in the one nine hundred thirty s. they sort of mock or see as opposed to i would go so far so they were anti-democratic but they saw it is a potentially dangerous force that could lead to demagoguery to fascism to war and so they were quite open about deliberately vesting supreme power in the hands of why technocratic experts who wouldn't have to worry about public opinion would be able to take the tough decisions and of course you know there is no such person as the wise disinterested expert they all have their prejudices they all have their assumptions and freed from the constraints of public opinion they were able to get

on with creating an almost autocratic system which has stayed in large measure in place to this day which is why you know when people vote against it that is seen as the beginning of the argument rather than as as it would be in a proper democracy the end of the argument you've recently released a book under the title a day marriage which is about the relationship between the e.u. and the u.k. why did you decide to go on the subtitle is britain and europe is not a is not a. for marriage guidance peace although well it's an interesting one i read the review of a work by a marriage guidance counselor i didn't read the book but i did the review said something fascinating. it said that a relationship can take a lot of arguing that it was a not a bad thing because if you are arguing with your husband or wife it suggests that you care enough about his or her view that you want to change it it's when the rowels give way to contempt when the stormy sessions fall silent and give way to

scorn the relationship is over and i think something similar has happened even in the time that i've been an m.e.p. when i was first elected constituents would write to me very angrily and say outrageous that the budget is an approved outrage is that all the money is being spent on these agricultural and foreign aid boondoggles outrages that the system is so undemocratic and now what you get much more often is a kind of you know what you expect the whole system is rushing and that's when you realize that the marriage is over and i think it's just a question of time and how we how we negotiate the most amicable divorce you've even gone as far as to cool the relationship between your right craps and ordinary that is abusive yes in the sense that the ordinary voter if you like the vote i mean we're not blue in the order of if the vote is seen as an inconvenience is seen as a problem you know when i think back to the way in which the french and dutch referendums were greeted six years ago. every single speaker with two exceptions in the entire

european parliament stood up to say how do we get around this problem you know why did they get it wrong how do we how do we really educate voters you know i was reminded of those that eerie poem by bertold brecht where he says wouldn't it therefore be easier to dissolve the people and elect another in that place and that it didn't occur to anybody that the people have spoken and that therefore the politicians should listen talk to me about your assertion that it was brussels backed coups that toppled george papandreou in greece and still there that is gainey in it say what proof do you have of fats well in two countries a an elected prime minister was removed from office and replaced with a technocrat who had never stood for office in his life and not just a technocrat to your country in greece it was the former head of the you're the former vice president of european central bank in italy it was a former european commission mario monti who as well as appointing yourself this prime minister appoint himself finance minister giving

a whole new meaning to the phrase the full monty and didn't have a single elected doesn't have a single elected politician in the italian government now both in the case of the property most administration in greece and the monti administration initially we were told that these were national governments that was the phrase used. and yet the whole purpose of these governments was to push through a program that would be rejected by the nation in the general election so if you like the the the last shreds of pretense were said to the velvet glove was taken off of the iron fist underneath which i'm sure you then had what was always implicit but is now explicit which is apparatchiks in brussels ruling directly through apparatchiks in rome and in athens with the people and their elected representatives cut out altogether i saw last week that mario monti said he might seek a second term to remove him second if the first from your description it sounds terrifying easy for brussels to do that what steps see your across have to take

these were civilian jumpers ok it is true that the lesser of constitutional propriety was observed in the sense that the parliament in both cases indorse the new government that's the case with every dictatorship starting from the podium they always manage to get the parliamentary vote in their favor the reality is that we're dealing with administrations that have been imposed on countries because keeping those countries in the your was thought to be more important than allowing them to vote for the policies they want we do appear to be drawing nearer to a referendum on whether the u.k. should stay in the european union what would it take do you think for the government to take that final step well politicians in my experience feel the heat before they see the light i don't think any political party likes referendums to be honest because politicians are instinctively mistrustful of a process whose outcome they can't control nonetheless they all see that there is big public demand people want to be consulted they feel that it's a huge issue in what country they want to belong to and that it's insulting and

wrong not to allow people the referendum which all three parties were recently promising and all three have managed to crawl back home i'll go so far as to say that the party which gets there first will probably win the next election. the people who feel strongly about this may be a minority but they are not an insignificant minority and it's a vote determining issue for a chunk of the electorate. and so. it's almost as opposed like a kind of game theory like a prisoner's dilemma my the party desperately wants a referendum but neither can afford to let the other get there first what kind of referendum dean supporters simple in or out or a more complex construct i think ultimately there will have to be an in out referendum i think it's the only one that makes sense you can't offer people something that you haven't yet negotiated or something that isn't in your gift to deliver i mean if you had a referendum and said wouldn't it be great if we opted out of all the following areas but remained in the free market will you know idea whether the e.u. is going to give you that and so you that that's

a meaningless question unless the renegotiation is already being completed by then and that's how i think it it should happen let me be is generous as i can do people want to stay in and is fair about this is like and. if the problem is timing and what is going to emerge from the eurozone crisis because that's what we're told no one now admits to being against a referendum in principle what they're all there now saying is now isn't the right time we've got to see what emerges fine if that's the case then pre-announce now and pre-legislative now for a referendum to take place in let's say twenty sixteen ok that's plenty of time you've then got four years you supporters of membership to come back with a deal that you reckon you can sell to the british people. and the fact that you preannounced that referendum means that all of the other member states also understand that if you don't get the deal that you can sell to the country the alternative is that we leave and we negotiate something differently from the outside i think if you did that then it is even possible that you could succeed in

getting something along the lines of the swiss deal without calling it leaving i mean if it then becomes a presentational question whether you call it associate membership or whatever but what is absolutely certain is that if our own civil servants and if the other member states do not understand that it's either a renegotiation or exit there will be no significant improvement in our terms of membership the result of a referendum is by no means a done deal is it was if people vote to remain in the e.u. or perhaps worse still if they don't face a toll as has happened in the past in european elections i have absolutely no idea how people would vote i mean having just been excoriated in the european union for its lack of democracy it would then be rather hypocritical of me to say well i only want a referendum if i think i'm going to win it you know the point is almost everybody in public life approaches this question by guessing at the outcome and they're trying to work back you know ok if you think people are going to vote to stay in and you want to stay in your four if you look you know surely somebody should stand back and say is this right in principle on an issue of this magnitude isn't it just

the right thing to do to let the country decide i mean if we if we pestered everybody with a vote on the precise method by which they return the members of parliament how can we now turn around and say that they're not allowed to vote on whether those members of parliament get to run the country what about was all three parties saying and they which is you know we've got this crisis going on our main priority should be to reduce the deficit we don't have the time with inclination now to talk about having me referendum there is wonderful isn't it we were told for twenty years that now was not the right time for a referendum because europe wasn't an issue and now we're told that was a wrong time because europe is an issue you know the eurozone crisis and all this i mean it's the ultimate. yes minister argument you know a perfectly good idea in principle minnesota perhaps now is not the most propitious occasion if not now when you know the eurozone crisis has wrecked the premise on which we joined it's falsified our membership terms europe is collapsing as

a share of our exports the rest of the world is increasing almost by the minute as a share of our trade. the reason that we went in in the first place in the early seventy's in the argument has been deployed for nearly forty years has now been made redundant by the collapse of the eurozone economy and the mulish insistence of the eurozone governments on accelerating all the policies that have created the crisis that now is the time for us to raise our eyes to more distant horizons and reimburse the wider world daniel had on thank you very much thank you. well. it's technology innovation all the developments around russia we've got the future.

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been well sends a message to worry israel by making it penetrated hundreds of kilometers and tightly guarded airspace with an odd man scout aircraft now andrew is here next with all the latest from the world of sports. thanks for joining me and these are the headlines boys club captain for his country troubled russia skipper denise promises to repay capello's faith for the world cup qualifier against renowned. for severe the eastern conference leaders lose five three to mess and yet squib all the goals and plans about vettel sets the pace in practice ahead of this weekend's korean grand prix. but first

russia for. manager fabio capello for showing faith in him there's any midfielder has been called up to skipper his country and tonight's world cup qualifier against portugal even though he hasn't played for his club for almost a month after overpaying paul fleet has the story. this is russia's hardest test so far in their bid to qualify for the two thousand and fourteen world cup in brazil to magically however preparations for the game of portugal haven't been ideal for the goodness of serrano because you need to make it all the headlines the twenty eight year old has been training with his unique reserves for the last three weeks of refusing to play in a league match against create a soviet of two to him want to go higher salary however busy with the other says he's in excellent physical shape and will be ready to take on the portuguese. if i would like to thank fabio capello for calling me up to the national team squad and i'll try to do everything to repay his faith in me in terms of zinnias i have read

a lot of the president me and i think a lot of what they're saying is incorrect my mind isn't helping russia at the moment and after these internationals i'll go back to st petersburg and sort everything out there capello confirm a d'sevyn is a key player for the russian national team and will remain as captain and even despite his problems the midfielder will have his national team's head coach's backing. i've been in contact with the nation and luciano splatting about the situation with a good and if i leave i've known for a long time that i would call up to the south as he's a very important player for the russian national team and my main thoughts are about doing the best for the team if i had any concerns about his fitness then i would have sent him home russia will not have four memories about their last meeting with portugal as they were humbled by seven goals to one almost eight years ago today the cool g.'s haven't already of attacking options in particular cristiano ronaldo italian has been paying special attention to the team's tank

takes and he's close to his side will be well prepared good potential threat they will face. we'll have a team meeting later this year we will discuss our tactics and how we will approach the game and everyone is aware of the potential threat that christiane or an elder poses of course will be trying to stop him with a book that. isn't always that easy when he picked up an injury in his last game against barcelona of course i was hoping it would be more serious because i would have made our task much easier. capello is aware of who will stand to control g.'s a very slight injury concern to hide robert schalk of alexander culture called and said you can achieve each movie been training individually to try to leave the trio getting beat feet by their capello has enjoyed a dream start to head coach of the russian national team six point six goals scored among conceded after two competitive games however tyrion will face a stiff this task yet has faced the group favorites portugal and of russia can get

a win from bank game state bare intentions trying call for automatically for the two thousand and fourteen world cup in brazil richard on porfiry dancey moscow well christiane when i did get a taste of the stadium during a short training session with his teammates his left shoulder not appearing to hamper him too much after falling heavily on it last week. is also expected to be fit after recovering from a five problem. and reigning world and european champions they face better race images before a vital clash with france on tuesday that could go some way to deciding which team will be the eventual group when this spain sister focuses on tonight's game a victory would see them go level on points with france at the top of the table. as often as we measure how the match will go we think about how it will turn out we find the solutions that would like to have what you can be sure is that we're going to go against players that are offensive and we're going to try to take the

initiative of the game and we have to prepare against possible attacks from them and imagine imagine like that and therefore we'll have players who can score goals . that has been a major upset in. metal nets stunned the eastern conference they disappear five three in novice to best. in the scoring early in the second period through alexei yefim off and all those to be mikail the same care level of the score shortly afterwards it did same despair on their opponents with messi going to school for a nonsuch goals. some and gave this is the lead again then alexander grimalkin the target twice and alexander in gave the taking a five one advantage before the closing period sabaidee five back in school twice thanks joe and chilled but a sheila five three to measure how it finished despite a defeat to big d. state top of the eastern conference although they are only two points ahead of beings who have three games in hand match of their fish. and in the days of the

games the nominees also grabbed a road when climbing a five four victory at donbass thanks to team lane's brace and slowly make it in a shootout after the side's finish tied for four in iraq time. let's switch to possible where moscow have survived a scare to make a winning start to this year's you're really the muscovites the finish line is up last season beat the latvian outfit that seventy five points to seventy three seventy wings top scored for the home side with fourteen points in his contribution was volatile moscow. sixty seven seventy one but the former n.b.a. player scored five points in a row and gave his side the lead we lost the other six then added a couple of free prize but it was still tight right until the death even had the last possession and a chance to win again but mr green pointer on the buzzer so a winning start to tee a scar in the russian capital. should be allowed to me is going to be

the best moment we have we could easily. see what it wants is almost we have a heart and we are pleased. defending champion andy murray and thomas burdick are the first men through to the semifinals of the shanghai masters murray who is the world number three came from a set down to beat radek stepanek meanwhile burdett got a straight sets win that against frenchman joe wilfried to tsonga later on the second seed novak djokovic takes on germany's tommy haas and also in action is roger federer he secured a record three hundred tweets as the world number one he's up against man in chile age from croatia. in one formula one red bull sebastian vettel has topped the time sheets in friday's practice for the korean grand prix he's won the last two races to go within four points of championship leader fernando alonso the ferrari man was third fastest behind red bull's mark webber. and on the bike spain's david rosa was

quickest in practice as head of sunday's race in japan he's a thirty three he's thirty three points behind your friends a in the moto g.p. championship standings with four races left unfinished a tenth of a second quicker than his rival italy's and that is the zero zero was the third quickest defending world champion casey stoner was seventh on the time sheets he is making a comeback after missing the last three races with injury. and other news justin rose has beaten fellow englishman lee westwood to win the world golf final in two. one and a half million dollars in prize money rose winning by a single shot after hitting a five under sixty six the project is his highest ever during his fourteen year career west with isn't badly off either he walks away with a million dollars for finishing second. mean monica is in front of the frys dot com open in california the a strain equalled the course record on thursday with a nine in the past sixty to call it a veil that gives him a shot late of

a donut and nicolas colsaerts are tied for second i heard has missed the cut five times in his last seven tones but does seem to be finding some form here. and finally the current tour de france champion bradley wiggins says he is shocked at the scale of the evidence produced by the u.s. anti-doping agency against lance armstrong but believes cycling has now moved on from the dark days of de ping usada produced a thousand page dossier detailing how armstrong took banned substances to fuel his seven tour de france victories but the eleven of his former teammates coming forward to testify against him we can says it's now his responsibility as the current tour champion defend the sport which he believes has cleaned itself up effect it has on me is the current winner of the tour de france and so i've got to on to the questions pick up the pieces expect to be the voice of everyone else beyond me. which i'm not happy about doing rude boy understand why i have to do it

my focus is always on trying to be better and compete next to you again. you know almost kind of showing from the rooftops well look why did you really hear about is the future of cycling this country and that is the future of our sport. that's where it moves forward really and obviously a lot of this stuff happened nearly fifteen years ago so it's the sport has changed considerably and we're a big part of changing that will not bring is the end of our sports that's it for the moment we've got more if you. well for the. science technology innovation all the moves developments from around russia we've got the future covered.

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