in that it was that he was asking but what if we divorce what if russia and china come in and then it will end up in boldly ran so that was like in a very conversational manner very short question and i thought that that phrase might have spelt out. complex that washington has when it comes to interventions after the vietnam war there was a sense that you could see it in our culture in our news everything was more local than global the americans were sick of war and didn't want to invest any more in terms of our our our human beings the number of people were killed in terms of what to emphasize domestic you know economy and development well and that's why i mean one of the influences when george bush was elected he wasn't interested and made it clear he was going to be dealing internationally it was ok to deal domestically that's what the american people want with global terrorism if you're global terrorism you then develop a policy which is very complex it's not just going to have to global terrorism but

a complex of really going to eventually it's an intervention like and also you know occupation etc it's clear that the american people are sick of the carnage. in iraq and afghanistan i don't mean the american people i mean the conflicts in the heads of the policy may well the policy makers are concerned about being elected and reelected and they know that the american people many of them are saying we don't want more intervention simply because we don't want to see more americans dying because we have a real economic problems at home so why are we going to be you know. spending so much on going to you know going to war i want to get get. if you could help me to the bottom of this complex is it that is it is it the sense that if if we don't intervene. someone else you know we're going to lose influence someone else was i was going to cold war mentality i don't know potentially i don't i don't think so i

think that there are people who exaggerate me for example desire to have more influence to forge better alliances which could be benefit if you know they're in favor of the u.s. that's what i mean i think that you know the u.s. is path has to be to ford's better alliances with the peoples of the region it cannot simply be motivated by simply saying well there are alternative emerging powers here you know or reemerging powers depending on how you view things with regard to russia let's say as compared to china we can't we can't simply develop almost a new cold war mentality here and say well you know if we don't play it quite right they're ready to sweep in and take everything off i think that what you're going to have and what we have is a competition over spheres of influence ok we see that already oh i think china

certainly china's china is very present in many parts of the world from sudan as the world we're talking about from sudan to pakistan you know developing its foreign diplomacy and its fears of influence i think clearly feel for russia. there's a concern about you know it's fears of influence in the region and for the u.s. they will that's what will keep us in the region i mean i don't see how how we could ever talk about divorcing ourselves from the region if a no other reason given the push in u.s. policy you still have two primary drivers in terms of national interest and that is oil and israel. you know given given american politics you see it's not a matter of an intellectual the american politicians the majority of american politicians we've seen this time and time again are absolutely convinced that these are two negotiable priorities not only as a matter of principle but as a matter of being reelected oil and israel meaning guess prices and be.

concerned if you look at american politics the concern of most politicians in congress ok the concern is not only out of commitment to the state of israel but also in terms of you know the ability to be reelected and you also see it in our campaign now look at how me and obama ok have been courting the jewish vote and it concerned about it obama has to be concerned about losing what is a you know a long time tradition of american jews voting democratic obama what happens with obama in the last two years the administration has backed away from it's putting pressure on the netanyahu government remember after the cairo speech obama went toe to toe head to head with netanyahu on the settlements wouldn't back off and went back and forth back and forth but then you know look at what happened the last time that was here he speaks before congress and congress

gives him what was a twenty seven twenty nine standing ovations plus a lot of sitting ovations what's the message there the u.s. congress on a previous visit of netanyahu as netanyahu was coming in a confrontational situation with with the american president the u.s. congress the majority drafted. a letter to netanyahu expressing its support not only for the state of israel but for the netanyahu government so they know the politics when the convention came up the democratic convention what did they try to out all of a sudden the democrats were talking about movement of the embassy to jerusalem so they know that that is a reality and so all politic. regardless of parties have believed this for decades and will continue so for the foreseeable future that's not going to change much obama was the guy who gave the impression with his cairo speech and others that he was willing to begin to renegotiate america's policy on. you know on israel and palestine but in fact when it came down to hard political realities has

backed off do you think there's a crack between the white house and tell me over iran or is it just like good cop bad cop mad again that they're playing out it is complicated i mean the same place i think that i think that. netanyahu who's. from my point of view netanyahu who's arrogance which he's always had. has been enhanced as enormously by the kinds of things we were just discussing his ability to take obama on. his duty to come to the united states regularly and take. and how many situations would you have a foreign representative in effect coming in and saying i don't care what the president thinks i'm going to go to the congress and try to get what i want and now he is pushing the u.s. to war that's right and netanyahu there's a lecturer in this administration and say the red lines are not drawn strongly

enough when it comes to a military attack. what other leader could be dictating to the present united states who feel that he could do it. i believe that obama has been working it very carefully because of elections ok but that obama has told i'm really trying to communicate yeah we're going to be strong on iran and we will be even stronger and stronger if iran doesn't. back away but but he's made very clear that he's not willing to talk about and put on the table significant threat of military intervention and that's what's bothering netanyahu netanyahu would like to be able to communicate to the world that. the israelis are ready which he has to attack and that it will be done with the full support of the united states and he's not getting that he'd like to believe we've had enough instances in the past where israel could go in and raid

a country we've we've seen it from when it went into iraq when it went into lebanon etc and the u.s. would sit on its hands you know or into gaza and i think what he wants to do i want to do is create a context for that you know where you keep laying the groundwork you keep painting iran as this evil empire that you're going after and you keep putting pressure on the united states because what you're doing is saying we're going to have to do this because israel faces extinction and you're hoping therefore to put pressure from within the country from both the hardline christian zionist right from from apac the jewish lobby and also from from congress but i think the ultimate the ultimate potential goal is that there is a danger that you mean rhetoric is not helping that oh do you really think that there is that a bigger threat to israel's existence coming from i think i think that israel is

is exaggerating the imminence of that threat there's no doubt about it and there is that yeah i mean there is a point it could be made and then if you had said this a long time long time ago when he makes these threats he also when he came to the u.n. had a private meeting at the u.n. that a number of us attended and it's not that i believe anything that he said but he did say something that was pretty logical at the time which was look if we engaged in any kind of nuclear attack we would be inviting the decimation of our country because there would be a counter attack and just the other day in the american press it wasn't awkward that was saying it but somebody else that was sort of saying well if the iranians were to do this obviously iran would be the one that would really suffer so when. when netanyahu acts as if it's israel that faces such a degree of a threat and extinction that it would justify a preemptive strike it's just hard to believe that he really thinks that the

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and there is intense clashes between the government and the rebels. up next with all the latest in the world of sports. hello welcome to the sports headlines. cattle grid mark webber beat teammate sebastian vettel to pole position as the red bull sweet ride in the korean grove three. wild title fights double defending champion andy murray beats roger federer in straight sets to set up a final against you know i just had the shanghai losses. and history makers russia beat portugal for the first time with a one zero victory in moscow to take the right lead in that world cup qualifying group. but first let's go straight to my just port where mark webber has picked for

me the one champion sebastian vettel to pole position as the red bull team closed out the front row for sunday's crunch korean grand prix that will seem to have all been secured the top spot after dominating the session early on but webber enjoyed a flowing finish to his run to edge out the german by seven hundred the second lewis hamilton this third fastest the number one set of ferrari will be the second go on the great respond yet is top of the overall stand this but his lead has been trimmed to just four points by vettel who won the last two races weather is also in with an outside chance of making the australian this sixty points behind vettel with five races to go. most call for assistance if you are being very tart and very very happy to. get the job done today at the pole position it was a reasonable lap where you did when it counted obviously so well that's what color forms are all about. it's pretty tricky about a few wins for me but really happy to start on pole. while elsewhere motor g.p.

leader hall de lorenzo has broken the lap records to secure pole for the japanese promptly as the two man race for the title heats up yamaha run. edged out his honda rival dani pedrosa with a blistering late lap at the mo take the track britain's cal crutchlow will stop the third spot was a case he started it could only manage the second fastest time this trail and is third overall but a third world title is now out of his reach in his last season but could reduce the trials he runs out by just thirty three points with one hundred up for grabs in the last four outings. moving on to tennis where andy murray has beaten world number one roger federer for the second straight time to line up a repeat of the u.s. open final in a title showdown against novak djokovic at the shanghai masters the two exchange breaks in the opening two games before murray broke two more times to play i deserved six point six per week tree as even

a rain delay to close the roof late in the second set didn't rob the us open and the champion of his momentum mario also beat federer in my previous meeting in the final of the london games you know best and the two time defending champion is now and beaten in all of his twelve of the three tournaments in shanghai. so standing in the way next the second seed novak djokovic the serbian at muscled tamasha burdick of the czech republic six three six four to coast into his tenth final of the season it was also no backs to a leading sixty ninth victory of the year and the australian open champion who also triumphed in beijing last week has put in ahead of the final following but if. you're so far so good i haven't played many. long matches so i haven't dropped the set. in this tournament so far and that's something that. helps me physically

before before it's more shows. now moving on to football and russia's goal hero alexander golts has hailed his side's defensive qualities following their one zero win over portugal here. on friday night it's the first on the russians have ever beaten the portuguese and the victory gives them the right lead in their world cup qualifying group path does it all scored the decisive goal off just six minutes early firing out of the king after being seen through by as the nice teammates well i'm sure i'll call that fabio capello has now won all three of his competitive games in charge and to start off three points clear at the top of their group well they say israel trying six million luxembourg and the other game but as richard corsi reports it was a memorable night the stadium. russia produced an excellent defensive performance to take control of group air for the time being anyway as baby portugal by goal so now called for g.'s dominated possession but it didn't really manage to create too

many chances and that was due to russia's back to really being marshalled while really didn't appear to be any space or time to great shots and really russia's difference deserve a lot of praise but he's very much the. commander of the portuguese certainly had a lot of possession as their style of. dominance with the ball they hardly managed to create any opportunities i think they had one chance right at the start of the game and that was it but then again we made it hard for them to create. russia were about like the crowd at least you could say the amount really gave the players a little so it's really we're very grateful to the russians even managed to create too many chances with cells and not much of a session not many opportunities really to attack the portuguese goal but the one opportunity they did have in the six minute was taken perfectly by alexander scored three goals in the free qualifiers so far so. i really relieved to have taken the chance that was presented to me but i don't think the portuguese had many opportunities themselves and

a lot of possession and they were dangerous from set pieces but that's all they managed to create a fun being honest what is part of the portuguese control of most of the game and bridge dominated possession they did manage to create to me a chance. this is apart from one incident in the first of the ego i can say of really was a spectator for most of a game well talk a bit about cristiana rinaldo but the real madrid mathilda really did struggle to get into games is very well matched by russia's back line money just said. which preaching opportunities it was but i'm sure we did well on this speech normally we don't use to play on this kind of range but i think all the players did well. it was a good performance of the game but. that's football when one chance there they score but we still have. we still believe one team have a chance to games that's what's important. to note is one of the best players in

the world and it's always difficult to play against him but i don't think he was at his best today i was looking very good for you criticize tribal group after three games over instagram's much conceded a goal they were very very good defensively this evening and that really does bode well for russia going into the rest of this world cup qualifying campaign in their bid to reach the world cup finals in brazil in two thousand and fourteen or so and sickly. well meanwhile in minsk basket as pedro netted a hat trick as well as european champions spain east to a four no when i've the batteries to go joint top of group i. meant twelve minutes i. soon netted his first to get to know. the boss a forward then added two to second half minutes to. spare second

victory. so the defending champions are now top of the group with france with both teams on six points and they will face each other in madrid. choose day while in the other game a fearless jewish one one with georgia the main one italy remain unbeaten and top of the off the best three one win in armenia although they were made to fight for the three points in your the one that i think you know had spilled from the spot to levels of panic button thirty one however in the second half italy found another idea and grabbed a victory. at all see. as well though. in the other games in group b. both gary a stay second off the drawing won one with denmark out of the czech republic ended there for much gold racked with a three one win is paid to check the saving a last minute penalty. while a much fancied young belgian team claimed a space victory in belgrade and that this is once we know against serbia ensured

their first home defeat in a decade aston villa's history opens ten minutes before the interval and second top spot from the brain is kevin de bruno currently chelsea and a last minute effort from evidence having made i asked sealed the comfortable when . i'm not when it's belgium top of group a on goal difference croatia also have seven points after winning two one in macedonia garris playing a sport and later brace for wales who came back to stun scotland two one. however well run as the netherlands went all group d. on goal difference following a three no defeat about indoor maybe i'll second also with a perfect record on the beach in turkey one nail in istanbul while hungary also once one nil in estonia. crucially to germany kept their one hundred percent record in start off the thrashing out in six one in dublin while sweden survived a scared to come back and beat the faroe islands two one and kazakstan austria to

secure their first points with a go to school wall group usually does in the states so far the wayne rooney side tracked part time assignment we have five now that wembley on. that all blow back against ukraine finished goalless. none further afield kept a little messy scored twice as argentina beat your guy three rail in their south american world cup qualifier all goals came in the second half of the boss the moment that is his first in sixty six minutes so here i go out and just a few minutes later before messing swiftly lost it home free kick to complete the rat argentina atop the qualification group at the halfway stage colombia ecuador and uruguay make up the top four positions that qualify automatically for rio twenty fourteen. and that's all sports news bison for.

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