that basic lack of democracy you get the contempt for popular opinion you get the way swaps aside referendum results if they go the wrong way and you get a sense that public opinion is an obstacle to overcome rather than a reason to change direction it is an extraordinary and sad paradox that twenty seven countries each of them a liberal parliamentary democracy in its own right have come together and accepted a system that would make zimbabwe look democratic and how did that happen exactly was its kind of creeping takeover by technocrats i think the origins actually go back to the very beginning of the european union the founding fathers had had a very mixed experience of democracy is especially of the referendum plebiscite re kind of numb ocracy that existed in the one nine hundred thirty s. they sort of mock or see as opposed to i won't go so far say they were anti democratic but they saw it is a potentially dangerous force that could lead to demagoguery to fascism and to war

and so they were quite open about deliberately vesting supreme power in the hands of why technocratic experts who wouldn't have to worry about public opinion would be able to take the tough decisions and of course you know there is no such person as the wise disinterested expert they all have their prejudices they all have their assumptions and freed from the constraints of public opinion they were able to get on with creating an almost autocratic system which has stayed in large measure in place to this day which is why you know when people vote against it that is seen as the beginning of the argument rather than as as it would be in a proper democracy the end of the argument you've recently released a book under the title a demand marriage which is about the relationship between the e.u. and the u.k. why did you decide to give it the subtitle is britain and europe is not a it's not a marriage guidance piece although well it's an interesting one i read the review of a work by a marriage guidance counsellor i didn't read the book but the review said something for. summation. it said that a relationship can take

a lot of arguing that rouse are not a bad thing because if you are arguing with your husband or wife it suggests that you care enough about his or her view that you want to change it it's when the rowels give way to contempt when the stormy sessions fall silent and give way to scorn the relationship is over and i think something similar has happened even in the time that i've been an m.e.p. when i was first elected constituents would write to me very angrily and say outrageous that the budget is on approved outrages that all the money is being spent on these agricultural and foreign aid boondoggles outrages that the system is so undemocratic and now what you get much more often is a kind of you know what you expect the whole system is russian and that's when you realize that the marriage is over and i think it's just a question of time and how we how we negotiate the most amicable divorce you've even gone as far as to call the relationship between your a craps and ordinary those is abusive yes in the sense that the ordinary voter if

you like the vote i mean will not go with the older vote the voter is seen as an inconvenience is seen as a problem when i think back to the way in which the french and dutch referendums were greeted six years ago. every single speaker with two exceptions in the entire european parliament stood up to say how do we get around this problem you know why did they get it wrong how do we how do we really educate voters you know i was reminded of those that eerie poem by bertold brecht where he says wouldn't it therefore be easier to dissolve the people and elect another in their place and that it didn't occur to anybody that the people have spoken and that therefore the politicians should listen talk to me about your assertion that it was brussels backed cues that toppled george papandreou in greece and still there there is going e in italy what proof do you have that well in two countries a an elected prime minister was removed from office and replaced with

a technocrat who had never stood for office in his life not just a technocrat for your account in greece it was the former head of the the former vice president the european central bank in italy it was a former european commissioner mario monti who as well as appointing yourself is prime minister appoint himself finance minister giving a whole new meaning to the phrase the full monty and didn't have a single elected doesn't have a single elected politician in the italian government now both in the case of the property most administration in greece and the monti administration in italy we were told that these were national governments that was the phrase used and yet the whole purpose of these governments was to push through a program that would be rejected by the nation in a general election so if you like the the the last shreds of pretense were said to the velvet glove was taken off of the iron fist underneath which i'm sure you then have what was always implicit but is now explicit which is apparatchiks in

brussels ruling directly through apparatchiks in rome and in athens with the people and their elected representatives cut out altogether i saw last week that mario monti said he might seek a second term i don't remember him saying the first from your description it sounds terrifying easy for brussels today that. step see you're across have to take these were civilian jumpers ok it is true that the letter of constitutional propriety was observed in the sense that parliament in both cases indorse the new government that's the case with every dictatorship starting from the podium they always manage to get the parliamentary vote in their favor the reality is that we're dealing with administrations that have been imposed on countries because keeping those countries in the your was thought to be more important than allowing them to vote for the policies they want we do appear to be drawing nearer to a referendum on whether the u.k. should stay in the european union what would it take do you think for the government to take that final step well politicians in my experience feel the heat before they see the light i don't think any political party likes referendums to be

honest because politicians are instinctively mistrustful of a process whose outcome they can't control nonetheless they all see that there is a big public demand people want to be consulted they feel that it's a huge issue what country they want to put on to and that it's insulting and wrong not to allow people the referendum which all three parties were recently promising and all three have managed to draw back from i'll go so far as to say that the party which gets there first will probably win the next election the people who feel strongly about this may be a minority but they are not an insignificant minority and it's a vote determining issue for a chunk of the electorate. and so. it's almost i suppose like a kind of game theory like a prisoner's dilemma my the party desperately wants a referendum but neither can afford to let the other get there first what kind of referendum dean supporters simple in or out or a more complex constructs i think ultimately they will have to be an in out referendum i think it's the only one that makes sense you can't offer people

something that you haven't yet negotiated or something that isn't in your gift to deliver i mean if you had a referendum and said wouldn't it be great if we opted out of all the following areas but remained in the free market will you know idea whether the e.u. is going to give you that and so you that that's a meaningless question unless the renegotiation has already been completed by then and that's how i think it it should happen let me be is generous as i can do people want to stay in despair about this is like and. if the problem is timing and what is going to emerge from the eurozone crisis because that's what we're told no one now admits to being against a referendum in principle what they're what they're now saying is now isn't the right time we've got to see what emerges fine if that's the case then pre-announce now and pretty legislate now for a referendum to take place in those twenty sixteen ok that's plenty of time you've then got four years you supporters of membership to come back with a deal that you reckon you can sell to the british people. and the fact that you

preannounced that referendum means that all of the other member states also understand that if you don't get the deal that you can sell to the country the alternative is that we leave and we negotiate something differently from the outside i think if you did that then it is even possible that you could succeed in getting something along the lines of the swiss deal without calling it leaving i mean if it then becomes a presentational question whether you call it associate membership or whatever but what is absolutely certain is that if our own civil servants and if the other member states do not understand that it's either a renegotiation or exit there will be no significant improvement in our terms of membership and what about was all three parties saying and they which is you know we've got this crisis going on our main priority should be to reduce the deficit we don't have the time with inclination now to talk about having any referendum is wonderful isn't it we were told for twenty years that now was not the right time for a referendum because europe wasn't an issue and now we're told now it's a wrong time because europe is an issue you know the eurozone crisis and all this i

mean it's the ultimate yes minister argument you know a perfectly good idea in principle minnesota perhaps now is not the most propitious occasion if not now when you know the eurozone crisis has wrecked the premise on which we joined it's falsified our membership terms europe is collapsing as a share of our exports the rest of the world is increasing almost by the minute as a share of our trade you know the the reason that we went in in the first place in the early seventy's in the argument has been deployed for nearly forty years has now been made redundant by the collapse of the eurozone economy and the mulish insistence of the euro zone governments on accelerating all the policies that have created the crisis that now is the time for us to raise our eyes to more distant horizons and reimburse the wider world daniel had on thank you very much thank you .

the sun rises over what seems like analyst forest but here in new directions crime hundred kilometers north of light of all storms as in much of the world it's disappearing at a catastrophic rate. mortgages both illegal and those finding ways to outsmart the system for filing down the forests of the region for them profit goes well beyond the future of our planet and the result could be an ecological crisis the world wildlife fund for nature makes regular trips to help local rangers do what little they can to stop the logging but it's not easy lager set up trucks making them hard to reach in an already rough terrain and have mastered ways to jump through legal loopholes this is a nature reserve were only sanitary logging of disease trees is allowed according to law and not a single berry can be picked but loggers like this use their sanitary logging

permit to cut down absolutely healthy trees and sell the profitable timber over the border in china we are on the hunt for illegal loggers and it's not going to be easy the forests or nets and our chances are slim now for now we can stay in our dreams but as soon as we find solid tracks we'll have to drop our wheels and get out silently in order not to scare the loggers off alexander some morning call has been a ranger for over twenty five years he can spend weeks at a time tracking a single group of loggers easier to work when snow falls in autumn it's impossible to find human tracks and even transport tracks are hard to see after hours of driving we get sent in the right direction by word of mouth you can see that the ground is soft here which means that this twelve the tractor trails are very fresh which in fact means that we need to be quite. in order to not scare them off as we get closer. this team says they're illegal but have no

documents now xander can now call the police to take over his work here is done he's overwhelmingly outnumbered there are too few rangers working in the promote the region and the w w f says the government isn't doing enough to stop it i guess the government now as i started sit here for more whole forest legislation so assumes the pals and so on regards a new forest court and according to. every forest. the guys in waltham in the in the forest to the still the forest courts deal doesn't work just. as no one tries to stop them in just five years the force will be gone they'll sell it all to china what will the people who live afterwards do live it's a question more and more people are aware of today climate change in the safety of our environment as a whole are being discussed around the world and perhaps it's those small steps that might be a start to people living in harmony with nature. sigrid

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in prison both hooliganism with a legal stuff. we can spoil zob date is next with. now welcome to the sports thank you for joining me and these are the top stories. that master no bad joke of it saved five match points before ending two year run as champion with a thrilling master's final victory in shanghai. while top of the world sebastian vettel produces a dominant victory in the korean grand prix to overtake fernando alonso at the top of the drivers' championship with four races to go. on a fall from four fabio capello's russia aim to keep up their one hundred percent record as the group back leaders prepared to host azerbaijan in the world cup qualifier on tuesday. but first

a tennis where second seed novak djokovic saved five match points before overcoming twice defending champion andy murray to win a thrilling shanghai masters final last month murray had prevailed in an epic u.s. open final between the two and this time the stocks will start to see saul first set seven five as joke of each lost his temper after a blunder at the net but the serbian regained his composure to force a nail biting time break in the second and eventually won it thirteen eleven more himself than to talk a couple of much points in the decider but still lost six three in almost three and a half hours to stop in his first defeat in shanghai in the three years a prudent wall street open champion joke of each lifted his trophy of the season and second in a row you following this trial beijing last week. there could have gone either way really i cannot say i. have dominated the match because all three sets were very

close and he had so many match points and opportunities to finish the match so i could have easily been a runner up today but. very. my flight believing you know coming back from four match points down during this match. now to formula one and defending champion sebastian vettel has clinched a dominant victory at the korean grand prix to overtake for all respond that alonzo at the top of the driver's standings with four races left to go the germans started second behind red bull team mate mark webber took the lead only on and eventually won by an eight second margin to claim his third win in a row and become the first driver to win four races this season whether we're second a long as i took third internet sensation p.s.y. waving the checkered flag vettel is now six points clear of alonso in the drivers' championship with a maximum one hundred points available from the remaining four races in india abu

dhabi the usa and brazil as the red bull driver aims his third consecutive title. we had a good last couple races but you know we've seen the championship is pretty much up and down a lot of things that can happen so what do we do i think we have to focus on ourselves you know we need to have our best possible results and then we'll go from there at the end of the year. if we have enough points there's a lot of people telling us so we don't have to do the mathematics those. things are also hotting up in the motor g.p. title race spaniard dani pedrosa claim victory in japan on his honda overtaking championship leader paul de rennes i was thirteen laps to go to ensure the yamaha man finished second britain's count crutchlow completed the podium while win at the drugs that is now twenty eight points behind lorenzo in the overall standings with three races left to go. on to football now and russia defender of a silly bet is that ski says his side should be wary of

a well rested azerbaijan squad in their next world cup qualifier at the luzhniki stadium on tuesday russia held an open training session in moscow where manager fabio capello is looking to me. in his one hundred percent competitive record the national side have won all three of their qualifying matches so far scoring seven goals and conceding on to secure top spot in group path russia are also three points clear of christiane iran algos portugal they beat one they'll also lost out on thursday but russia's next opponents azerbaijan didn't play this week and they also managed to keep portugal at bay for sixty four minutes if only came three goals in a three nil defeat in braga last month. now with sixteen months to go until the saatchi winter olympics i.o.c. supremos york lord carey believes these will be a games to remember as the triple olympic skating champion told our own robert father. a great jones for a big country in twenty fourteen this russian city of sochi will host the first

winter olympics in the country's history. it is to be a well known seaside town but now with massive olympic preparations the future of the city itself is under construction benefits of having had the games will be there for ever in my opinion so it's a it's a it's a chance for this region today everyone in the world knows where searching is on the map i believe it's almost unique in the world because you have trees where the hockey tournament is going to be played and then twenty five minutes later by train you go and fabulous ski resort this is very specific it's the sounds of russia it's very comparable to a place like this in france where you swim in the morning where you ski in the morning and swim in the afternoon after a one hour car drive and. the world we know about it very soon holding the winter olympics in so the climb mount is what makes the sochi games so

special and so challenging three time olympic ski jumping and currently the chairman. of the olympic ordination commission is uncle kili is sure we will be there as soon as it's needed even despite the fact this could be the hottest winter olympics ever snow is going to be made whenever it's possible and stalled and today you can stall keep the snow and the protection during the summer and then use it for example in the ski jump you can use it whenever you you want or need it. obviously that's the lessons from vancouver the so she games are also set to create some brand new experiences in olympic history something to make them through a unique the most compact games ever most athletes skiers we

go down out of the chalet put their skis on and there are hockey player will walk to the ring as skaters. which is incredible. i don't think we have we have ever had that before while the sochi twenty fourteen official slogan was also revealed only twenty fifth of september hot to yourself i think it is terrific absolutely terrific because it's. it's a winter summer. yours it's north south it's. snow ice and yours and it's. i think it's one way to say the rest of the world is going to be welcome. to searching yours that's a gift from russia to the rest of the world and the best present would be for russia to turn their first winter olympics into the best games ever robert

brilliant forty. and finally to icici where the n.h.l. is a look at who is the k h l's game with some of the best players from the north american league producing some of the week's best moments it's goals galore on ice. please.

and that's all the sports news i think.

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