in money rather than presenting a bill directly in the form of higher taxes when the costs are obscured the question of whether any war is worth it becomes distorted and this government borrowing and printing of money is enabled by the federal reserve of course so back to the debates no you are not likely to hear about any of this at all but luke rockwell president of the ludwig von mises institute recently gave a speech on this topic so he's here now to discuss it with us so first lou rockwell thanks so much for being on the show it's always so great to have you on loren thank you and happy first anniversary thank you so very much thank you for being a great fantastic guest and supporter over the last year i appreciate it so let's get to the federal reserve and war you know we often hear from these candidates and in the debates or anywhere you hear from politicians that the u.s. put two wars on a credit card and this doesn't even acknowledge libya or the warmongering over iran so maybe four wars syria i mean none of this is even included but what is rarely

mentioned in the in the credit card analogy is who is issuing that credit card and enabling this war and you argue that the federal reserve is the issuer and the enabler so care to explain how. and it's not you and it's not quite a credit card that would be the pora wing that they might do because we with a credit card you have to put you in that you know you have to pay it back what they're doing is again they're you know as you say they're simply printing up the money so ever since central banking to go. fast and on every single country were single advanced country in the world beginning and. the beginning of the last century we've had the world of central banking it's meant the governments can spend vastly more on all their favorite projects what is their first favorite project of all governments all throughout history making war all of a sudden any dissent question who the government makes you a traitor all of a sudden if you're opposing what the government is doing it's police state it spawning it's it's. killing of people it's drones what it whatever it's doing well

you can't question that because you must be pro some of the loddon or whoever is the the enemy of the moment so governments love wars they've always loved wars but it's central banking of the vast amount of money really the infinite amount of money that is made available to governments to fight wars means you have no none of the normal discussions at least in the past congress would have to debate before going to war how we're going to pay for it now that's not even a question they just call up the fed and say hey boys print us up another trillion dollars and the fed is happy to do that in cahoots with the banking system of course the banks are here as in europe the key and most important private sector chua's are private sector special interest along with the military industrial complex so they all benefit from this vast creation of money companies that get to make more bombs and planes and cruise missiles and bunker busters and all the rest

of the things that kill people blow up whole cities destroyed whole countries so yes absolutely the central bank enable government to take warfare to a whole new level world wars and the use of atomic weapons and so forth now of course they're threatening the use of atomic weapons against iran that's what that's what both bush and obama for that matter are romney mean when they say nothing is off the table when it comes to dealing with iran they're threatening the use of atomic weapons and again i wouldn't be able to do this without the central bank and let's back up for a moment a couple things you said mary do you are you suggesting that actually there is. collusion and that the central bank gives accommodative monetary policy to the government during times of war when the government wants to go to war or as always again or yes i mean this is the central bank takes the orders of the government the late arthur burns who is nixon's chairman of. of the fed said in answer to

a question at a press conference right once after he was out of office he said well you know the the chairman of the fed has to do what the president wants or otherwise we lose our independence one of the funniest answers ever given by a public official what he meant was the right to print their own money for their own budget and i'll live it up everybody at the fed lives it up i don't know if you're concerned about their standard of living at the fed they all do very very well but they take the president's orders so when the president wants to start a war he calls up bernanke he and he asked for the cash and bernanke he prince it up chris just creates it just it just adds digits through various mechanisms into the government's accounts that they can then spend so then i would say it's not a coincidence when the fed exists to inflate that's why the fed exists not to not to fight inflation not to help the economy whatever the fed is just a giant printing press invented to create new money so they love doing it whatever is the purpose and it empowers them the more the fed is printing money the more

powerful institution it is and when you have you know the iraq war the afghanistan war. the libyan war the syrian war there's like the iranian war many other you know the cold war against china the cold war against russia maybe they'd be hot wars and they they just love war with governments and governments love war the us government is of course the biggest warmonger in the world and it's enabled by the central and you're saying that the central bank and feel money printing distorts all kinds of spending for the government the war being the thing that the government likes most to spend on so then what if central banks are the problem and currency allows for unbridled money printing would a gold standard that constrains the money supply be and nuff to verse strain this type of going to war enabling of war if you're for peace if you want more peace and less killing in the world list destruction absolutely you'd be for something that restrains the central bank preferably as raw. bolivar's get rid of the central bank

whether it's a gold standard whether it's competitive currencies whatever anything that restrains the government's ability to create new money is the greatest thing for the cause of peace you also prevent the business cycle the business cycle of recessions and depressions is caused by the fed's creation of new money and what it does to the interest rate so if we're concerned about economic progress economic prosperity peace instead of murdering people absolutely want to rein in or the best thing of course would be to put the federal reserve out of business so bernanke you to get a job at mcdonald's. i think it would be interesting to see bernanke you flipping burgers i wonder if you know how to do that but you can learn i think that would actually be a not a gold standard that we know you still know you still have of course although you still have a lot of heat and martin marietta and the general and amex and all the big the big military contracts the merchants of death as they were called back at the time of world war one and you still have the military itself the pentagon you have the

unfortunate bloodthirstiness of so many people in america and other countries that love love war love killing so you still have that sort of thing going on and war can still benefit government they still love war but the scope of war the massive nature of war these world wars these wars that kill millions and millions of people those would be much more difficult with without a central bank that's interesting and short of that when we talk about like what ron paul said that i quoted the beginning of the show that you quoted in a recent speech you gave when he's talking about if there was a direct attack that citizen said you know that we're told you need to pay five or ten thousand extra dollars for war and that if that happened that the war would end pretty quickly is that the economy and the citizens of the up in arms or there wouldn't be money to fund it well i do this is happened throughout history what happens is because of those people's taxes have to be raised and they're otherwise badly affected by massive government borrowing so at some point they said. and what

the government calls war fatigue but it's actually the people's reluctance and then refusal to keep paying these high taxes and keeping affected by all the government borrowing so the government is actually forced us to cut down maybe even stop the war so that's what happens in the absence of a central bank they can star wars they can carry on wars but there's a real limit to what they can do to limit the number of people they can kill a limit to the amount of money they can spend because again what they describe hilariously as war fatigue is actually people being sick and tired of being ripped off to go kill people in other countries they don't you know at some point they don't like it so ron paul is exactly right if we all had to pay for these endless wars that they wage and want to wage many more wars of course to that it would be the greatest thing and it would dramatically cut down the mounds of skulls that the government the us government especially at the present time builds up all over the world and quickly it's hard to it's hard for me to remember an era before central banking as i certainly wasn't alive and i've not as

a student scholar as you was there at a time that you can cite where that happened the war fatigue and that would be a good example of at how that does impact the government's ability to continue fighting a war yeah it was all the wars that took place before the establishment in the case of united states before the establishment of the federal reserve in other words quas i fed. things in operation before the fed the national banking system abraham lincoln's greenbacks were printed up literally printed up greenbacks. but yes there are many wars throughout american history where there was the again this war fatigue and where the government actually had to cut back and they couldn't go on there were some people for example over looking at the us war on spain who wanted to congress spain and conquer all of the spanish colonies but at. some point the american people much as maybe they like war and they liked conquering the philippines like conquering puerto rico and guam and so forth the care of them and want to pay for it anymore. so you know they were forced to cut back and there are

hundreds and hundreds of examples like this not only in american history in english history the history of other countries were going people get sick and tired of paying for the wars getting these massive additional tax bills presented to them and they refused to pay them any more and when that happens with all the government propaganda stops working there have to come well there you go it's a very interesting view and there rockwell when we get back i want to talk about the middle class and the role of the fed that's not being talked about in this election so we'll be back with you in just a moment and still ahead do not miss our very special capital account a birthday celebration in today's lease change where i will respond to your birthday wishes and some other stuff but first your closing market numbers.

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the secrets of the u.k.'s nuclear tests. welcome back before the break we were asking if the federal reserve enables us wars now let's talk about the impact of the federal reserve repressing savers especially as we hear so much about the middle class in this presidential campaign lou rockwell is back let's ask him because there is no one better to talk about fed's repression that's for sure so lou rockwell what we're talking about the fed so the presidential candidates at least the lead contenders mitt romney and barack obama they keep talking about the middle class they keep talking about what needs to

happen to restore the middle class to save the middle class all of these things but they never talk about the fed mitt romney talks about abolishing tax on on the interest for savings for the middle class he fails to mention that there might not be very much interest because they're being financially for oppressed so what does that mean for an economy in the state that the u.s. is in and for the middle class when they can't save first of all you're right to point out the sort of sociological baloney of both these guys talking about the middle class there's only there are only two classes in society that matter one is the tax payers one is the tax eaters both these guys are candidates of the tax eaters of various sorts of of the people who who who are able to by force of arms take money from the vast majority of americans and spend it on themselves and their friends so the question the middle class the poor the rich whatever those are all extraneous things but of course the tax payers are being hit on the head not only

by everything else the government does but by the federal reserve so they're as you mentioned the unbelievably horrendous and so damaging to the economy in the future of the economy suppression of interest rates taking the craziest idea the john maynard keynes had of pushing interest rates to zero so now you get people who've been savers and investors all their lives they were tired and you know they were able to earn a quarter or a quarter of a percent on their money so it's just it's. an atrocity it's entirely a creation of the federal reserve is not a natural situation probably people ought to be getting sixteen seventeen eighteen percent of the money. if we if we actually took good if we didn't have the federal reserve holding down interest rates so this hurts every single saver hurts the future of the economy both of these guys represent the fed and the big banks there's no essential difference between them on these issues and so they talk about something else though they have nothing to say about the middle class although they've both backed practices that actively hurt every taxpayer whether they're

middle class or poor people for rich people who are not connected to the government they're all hurt by the by the government and again the people the government itself and its interests are living it up off the rest of us looting the rest of us in those are all of the two classes the tax payers the tax eaters if you think about that enables you would analyze everything the government is doing everything you might read about in the media and understand what's actually going on it's and it's certainly an interesting lens to look thirty just quickly before we go does it really matter at a point when so many in the middle class don't have jobs they have stagnant wages they can't even afford to save so at a time like this do savings really matter and we just have a quick minute savings matter everything for the future of the county but again why should people save if they're getting a quarter of a percent and also they're otherwise in very deep trouble probably the average american working family has not advanced economically since the days when richard nixon closed the gold window and ended the gold standard i mean this is been a terrible period for for most american families the government has gotten rich

take a look at washington d.c. it's the babylon on the on the potomac they all live very well there the rest of us are being crushed and you know if we want if we want to change we need we need to change what we do so we don't need a bomb or romney it's whoever not going to get ron paul i hear you on those points thank you so much lou rockwell for being on the show on our one year anniversary with a great analysis of the fatling rock while president of the ludwig von mises institute . let's wrap up with loose change just past a loose change because we're going to do some viewer feedback too so one of the more memorable exchanges in tuesday's presidential debate since we've been talking

presidential election this show was the back and forth over pension plans. mr president if you looked at your pension have you looked at your pension i've got to say mr president you look at your pension you know i don't look at my french is about as big as yours so the world as i think it. well maybe obama should have taken a look at his pension because as it turns out he holds shares it does of the las vegas sands corporation owned by sheldon adelson a major of romney backer this is according to the illinois hedge fund their pension fund excuse me that he earned as a state senator as reported by the huffington post so. there are other things in there today that aren't exactly where obama would support domino's exxon marlboro i think. it's fair to the president he's a smoker smoker sort of your deadly but like you know what i don't really care what he has i don't think you should have any of that stuff in there i think you should

have only two bills now if you're going to rack and it's a huge huge point and that's really if you're going to be taking on such a huge amount of debt put your money where your mouth is if you think that the u.s. government solvent is going to have good finances going out and you know what you should be forced to stay invested in those treasuries all the way through maturity can't sell them. that is a great plan for any federal pensions i wonder how they break down we're going to look into that as well that's a great point and it would force us to be a little more careful with our money that's a great point ok let's let's move on keep this moving because even jamie dimon claims to know the importance of corporate responsibility ok here he is touting the importance of this corner store and community involvement. but quarters do or participate in the community to help the little league or the local church participate to give people summer jobs they have a little bit of philanthropy sometimes and we do that everywhere we do with through a foundation would be the seventh largest number of america we do it with two hundred million dollars a year. well there is jamie dimon doing his best john d.

rockefeller and our view but now it is easier for a businessman to combine their philanthropic goals with business through social impact bonds ok a social impact on is known as paper success bond it's a partnership between governments private investors and non-profits the bond is a loan made to it by investors to pay for social programs and then they require government to pay the investors of return on their principal investment only if the program meets its agreed upon goals dimitris just like a market incentive for philanthropy a good thing bad thing but it was interesting a person first saw this i thought this was some comic scam by the financial sector is still maybe i don't know but it seemed kind of interesting after i read about trying to get the guy who wrote about it on the phone i could reach them it's a little complicated but it looks like essentially what it is is it's a way to infuse public enterprise public institutions or philanthropic institutions with certain market incentives to the people they're giving it to so for example to try to support this at rikers island and in fact jamie's buddy lloyd blankfein was

involved with goldman sachs involved with that so. there's a way to short them and then you're betting on the program. you know i can't but we're going to have to imagine because we want to move on and get all this your feedback because it is friday and so we want to address it we talked about high frequency trading yesterday in light of the twenty fifth anniversary of black monday because now twenty five years later of course the factors and crashes are the algos in the high frequency trades and steve two three two three zero x. that capital account is the only finance news show that deserves high frequency viewing think you and our guest actually air con satre of next himself commented on you tube saying thanks again for having me lauren and to meet your wonderful to work with profession and first class all the way thank you so much to eric for coming on and he tells us he's more of a phone interview guys so we appreciate him making the leap to t.v. for us now on twitter i just center tweeted me saying. he isn't killing assaults

killing small market players and if global and p.f.g. failures have caused the retail client to bail i don't disagree but i don't see how you can say any one factor is or isn't driving small players out of the financial markets i think frequency as well as m.s.g. and p.s.g. have played a role along with other issues and the g.n.p. it impacts are something we've talked about was so many customers of these firms and industry professionals and so this is actually a great opportunity for me to give a shout out to one and give an example not in the u.s. actually but this gives a broader perspective so andrew perrott a fund manager and financial advisor an m.f. global customer in australia has been keeping me up to speed with what's going on with customers there they're supposed to get seventy percent of their money pretty soon in a few weeks last time i talked and they hadn't gotten any but what's interesting is he said something australian futures traders are setting up canadian l.l. sees because they've lost faith in the regulators in the us and australia but the

canadian regulators they have kind of the deposit insurance and those m.s.g. customers got their money right back so i meant to give andrew props for that because i brought it up in an interview with james cook to les so andrew thank you now dimitri reference the book world lit only by fire by manchester and a loose change we were talking about feudalism bam-bam twelve said no offense but be careful when reading history it's so full of fairy tales it's nearly impossible distinguished to distinguish reality from bologna the main criticism of manchester was that secondary and tertiary sources never rely on them rely only upon a regional source documents i love some of manchester books darkness at noon for example but history is a very tricky subject so dimitri that once for you take it away. you're telling me of the amazon. this has sixty five zero large whereas like eighty. five stores it's like a bore so it's not a book i've read it. like that but also the thing about fairy tales is the middle

ages all fairy tales that's why we got fairy tales of these people they were impenetrably ignorant they like knew nothing and they died at age twenty five that's why we got elves and flying unicorns from and also the literacy rate there weren't that many primary source documents charlemagne the firstly roman emperor was illiterate so basically my point is. well not the book we're a little bit like that i read it when i was in college in high school senior like a lot of a good club was a good grade maybe it was. like there's a good book on it's a good book all right. well we didn't have time to get to criticizing comment about me too bad because we want to get to this it is our birthday as in those shows birthday dimitri capital account launched a year ago today thank you to our viewers for watching thank you to all of our twitter followers here's a sampling of some of those here with. the c.e.o.

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