more news today violence again flared up. these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. giant corporations are the day. hello yellow welcome to the i'm so new show on our team. today my guest on the program is poor new york. and important national conference of combat in counterfeiting is underway in moscow. the russian prime minister opened the event which attracted some most prominent economists and politicians from all around the water sector in general all of the world's customs officers ation. has come to

moscow to speak the conference and today he is my guests and the. world customs organisation plays a vital role in global trade the only body dedicated exclusively to customs and border control matters the w.c. to develop standards rules and security for almost all countries since joining twenty years ago russia has been one of its most active members it is the heart of the w c o. mobile intelligence network and its customs training centers are among the best in two thousand and seven russia became a particle w c o governing body. hello mr because you're welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us today thank you to same place here well first of all well i just mentioned the conference you were taking part in here in moscow well what is the role of the

customs of the world customs organization in comforting the counterfeit i mean i mean because we also thought that the mineral is the police the government the the trade i mean the south but customs do you also that yes europe because when you talk comes the contact it is their major part of it it's trade and it is at the borders that we see the goods actually more than seventy percent of counterfeit goods detained at the border because once that first are lying over the fence was attacked and went into the mystic market it is very difficult to seize them so this is a very important role that we play so you are the first line of defense. there are different types of counterfeit one hundreds of types of different different counterfeit and which is the most. important for you or maybe

what's the main problem for the customs what type of counterfeit well. it is important to protect citizens or consumers from the health and safety threat meaning of for example a mother since that is a huge problem that the host directory your health and other areas for example spare parts of carts that them i don't know and that would result in accidents so protected those consumers is very important but at the same time it is to protect the economic interests of industry because the industry will lose a lot of the profits and if they. lose profit they can't pay tax and we our function is of course maintaining fiscal consolidation of the economy

collection of revenue and those counterfeiters normally don't pay customs duties. dear old customers that is the legitimate industry and also innovation in this is very important for entrepreneurs but in a vision is also damaged and also organized crime increasingly used. for their illegal profit so we have to fight against those organized crime so this areas that we see the importance of. well you said an interesting thing you said there's. some current if it can be dangerous dangerous for people who example of the counterfeit spare parts for cars but here in russia we sometimes prefer buying counterfeit sperm parts especially for expensive cars because they're cheaper so i mean do you do you really care as as the head of the customs

organization that they are they may be harmful for people that they may cause an accident and death or all you care about is taxes i mean the physical part of the problem well customs started as a fiscal agency. but you are a financier you started as a friend as yourself. the customs located on the borders and on the border. we can also protect the citizens because politics things citizens is what all the agencies of government agencies are trying to achieve so it's a border management that has again that importance so this is why we are very much on the border management and you know they're in there the good thing. it's. a very very clever counterfeit product of our times i would say is the so-called chinese i phone where when an i phone cost a thousand bucks the chinese i phone it works but it costs like one hundred bucks

and when you have to buy the phone to your kid takes it to school and you probably lose it and then we go to our chinese when they've been here so. speaking of charities i phones is it true that while ninety percent of counterfeit is produced in china is that true well according to our statistics yes china is the number one source of what is really ninety percent where it had been because we have a it is only customs that collected that kind was that isn't but there are other countries that produce a counterfeit not on the east asia but south asia some of times the middle east and even in europe we see can't have it so it depends on what kind of products in the what kind of origin and destination but it is true that quite often it is

coming from east asia and especially in china so so even european countries produce counterfeits products you know you so soon as you know when i was getting prepared for this interview i looked it up in the internet and i found companies in i think in belgium i may be mistaken but somewhere in central belgium soling counterfeit rolex watches and they are produced in central europe. and that's a fact. that's a fact because it is their ego but the economic benefit so when afghan army even if it's there. unfortunately they are there produce they're everywhere in the world but you know well i think that's maybe the. in the case of things like. watches i mean neckties things like that the companies make us

pay so much for the label not for the product itself but for the label that counterfeit is like a natural reaction to that over pricing products though that don't you believe that this is this is just the the reaction of the market well counterfeit is often regarded as a victimless crime letter which is not through who will get the medicine. but also of those the consumer goods and. those are the consumers who are the losers because they get the world it is under quality goods they don't get the yearly benefit of paying by those going to human goods you think it's possible to to to fight to to to solve the problem of what it will always exist. well it always existed to be honest because counterfeiters are always trying to go ahead of law enforcement agencies like customs and the constantly they use

technology and especially internet which is a very very difficult to handle so what we need is there well a change that the person can't have it it's a victimless crime but as i explained to you it is a problem and it is a problem for economic and social in the moral way therefore to change that perception raising is very important what is it in the w c o competence to to develop solutions is very sure because these are very special area that it's their business and especially right to hold have the most of the expertise so to get those the information to customs customs officers is very important because well on the ground. they have to identify whether they are fake or genuine so that kind of partnership with the business is very important and also partnership with as eva said police justice or security forces etc or health

authorities and that kind of coordination between agencies is also very important here have recently visited a number of countries what were your visits there somehow connected to the so-called columba's program and the c.i.s. yes because we harmonize the custom procedures and we try to create a level playing field for trade and for that there are differences in development to states so this is where we try to get that capacity building or provide technical assistance so that the level of customs can be improved and harmonization is feasible and this is where i try and not only in possibly the countries but in other parts of the world that actually this afternoon i signed

a more you with the cia is exactly was a great idea in that way we can have a more. harmonized in simplified procedures in the form of sea ice countries so this is a very important one because the body had to trade is not only but the non-tariff barriers is also important including border procedures so how to simplify there was a procedure is very essential who are the main idea of columbus is a quote implementation of the w c o conventions and the safe framework of standards well how were things going. this issue in russia. first it's about simplification but also customs takes care of a sick. as well because. exploited by not on the organized crime but also terrorists. and therefore russian

customers are trying to upgrade their procedures and. part of the world often provides assistance and provide. those administrations what gaps. and what can they do developing. those gaps and. russia has to. provide a lot of assistance for us so. thank you general the world. spotlight back shortly after the break so stay with.

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thanks. to. welcome back to spotlight on the album and of and just to remind you that my guest in the studio head today is mr quinn yomi quia who is the secretary general of the world customs on this occasion mr binney queen recently russia belarus and cause a status have and created the so-called customs union so how to didn't. affect the relations of the three countries with a w c o well having supportive of this creation of a customs union really and when they set up of course there are many issues which

are problematic therefore i sent to many experts to ensure that those three countries have a harmonized unified a system of procedures and actually from two thousand and ten to two thousand and eleven. or hostage to the launching of eurasia community to the brussels european union and other countries so this is how we are supporting this very important initiative well it's interesting for me to understand from the outside as the leader of the world customs organization do you now consider these three countries i mean the union to be made to be like a single customs space or do you still consider that they are differences in dealing with the. past and well if you look at the european union

with the twenty seven countries it started with the six countries mentioned it took so long because there were regulations might be there but the implementation takes time because it involves a change of mindset and practice but i see that moving forward into that direction so it is encouraging to see that the asian economy gratian exists in three countries so so judging by what you just said by your answer doesn't mean that you are an optimist you are a fan and that you think that the other countries of the c.i.s. the former soviet countries should join and will join the the customs union just as looked. they did in the europe and you can you know did you think that this is an advantage well creating regional economic integration is that creating

a regional market a bigger market it's all natural market so this will provide the you opportunity and how to see that opportunity it is up to those members that constitute that union and i know that there are already several countries that do wish that expressed their wish to join. if those are their wishes i will try to help them and provide assistance or russia joining the w t o in august and historic moment as russia was the only g twenty country outside the organization headed assertion only came after nearly two decades of negotiations spotlight limited me the reports. russia has been trying to get into the world trade organization since one thousand nine hundred ninety three normally any country would have been accepted five to seven years later would russia's bede broke all

records over eighteen years the pros and cons were ardently debated inside the country with a major protests taking place just a month before the accession in order to join russia had to make sacrifices among them reducing support for some industries including struggling sectors like agriculture and car making as a w t o member russia is about to roll what input duties in its export tariffs and grant greater access to foreign companies all of that will benefit customers with prices expected to go down the country is economy should also get a boost a world bank report predicts russia can gain up to an extra eleven percent in g.d.p. annually in the long run but before that can happen russia has to think about how to reconcile its. ations knows it has as a member of the customs union with dello russo and kazakhstan now there is a w t o member. free trade area with russia and customs rules

kazakhstan has begun its. talks but his attempt at getting into the overnight zeeshan are going to be a much bigger challenge. there have been lots of speculation about the customs union and the devil you know because russia is the only w two and three in the in the customs union and the do you think that russia will implement the w t o policies while continuing to be part of the common economic space with the two countries that are known members of the w t how is that possible when you implement any policies regionally or global policies and there you always take a phased approach you don't change it overnight therefore. my guess is that russia will try to get the two countries to join that ability or so that

they can have the same rules because the ability or is essentially who based the system and if you are here to that the rule system what are the relationship with those two countries as you said. it should be solved but with the timeline. facing and i'm sure that they will come to join in the global trading system you have met russian prime minister medvedev there well since he was president of this country and now he has. a lot about corruption being one of the big problems in russia and. being the head of the world customs verbalization you i think you will. gree that that corruption has always been a big problem for the customs officers too and there are customs in russia a lot there's a lot of blame of case of corruption in the russian customs and you should be aware

of that so does your organization w.c.s. offer any solutions to combat corruption that there's been one of the one of the national ideas of the present russian leadership well first we see that there are three principles that we can use to solve this problem firstly you need moderate regulation if the pedophile is very high that you were created in its own incentive to circumvent the customs by paying bribes it's interim so perhaps adjoining that ability or reducing the tally for level might to be one way. of course you can alter the muscly reduce that to be more moderate and the second is that the simplifying custom procedures are using information technology and in that way you can eliminate or reduce the unnecessary interface between customs officers

and trade so you don't have the chance to pay bribes in the thirdly it is about human resource management because if you think that belonging to a customer the administration is beneficial in getting well of a path and economic benefit of getting a regular salary then why don't you dare to do that the so those are the three elements but you said another important thing is that yes customer needs a scene often corrupt but if customer is wrapped then the society has a problem because if customs officer is corrupt they are someone who cracked that customs officer for the private sector so that kind of partnership. with the private sector the other is this issue is important it is not only right here but almost all the world to that question is there some different degree so we

promoted that kind of a policy with the what is important policy political support to move forward into that direction you sound very common sense have you discussed these issues with the russian leadership with your colleagues with the world with the prime minister. whenever i visit the country and usually presented is because corruption is the top priority for almost all countries and therefore they usually accepted that but what is most important is that corruption is not the only customs issue that you need all of the government approach but you know sometimes people say that that when they see corruption is like cancer and then others say well ok sometimes when somebody develops cancer surgery doesn't help because if you try to cut out the cancer you cut out ha ha ha of the organism i

mean i mean there was no it's so so so so. it's treatment it's a long very long and painful treatment the important for that is a true yes sure first you have to change your mindset and where i said i offered several cubes but the first set of rules is a very good thing that you said. because when the when the when the customs tariff is so hard that it's easier to bribe a person or one won't be he may be too weak to refuse them because well into millions and millions ok listen what are the other burning issues i'm not sure corruption is the only issue that you're fighting what's the other burning issues for the customs organization well another burning issue is burning issues of course it is it's great. can't have it is only one thing. not a cortex well you have a huge drug trafficking in your country and i gain. more than seventy

percent of the drugs that border so this is another problem and. more recently for example environment when we talk about the environment it is about how does this waste. in a species indigenous species it is again border issues so that kind of border management is very important but at the same time currently many parts of the world especially the developed economy is suffering from economic crises caused by financial crisis and how best we can to help the economy to recover that is again customs role in creating good at the most we have good climate for investment and incentive. to do that more. investment in country so that kind of economy could complicate even this well you're joining

a. gang of your business and this is what customs can do contribute hugely so those are the areas that we're ideally concerned thank you thank you very much for being with us and just to remind my guest today was. the secretary general of the world. and that's it for now from all or if you want to have yourselves part or have someone in mind you think i should. start a line at our dart party and let's bring throttling. back with more comments on what's going on and. until then take part in take.

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