you're going to have i would not be up by wall on math there was legislation in congress several years ago that ron paul had it that had. certain features in it but if you are a true constitutionalist brawny yes that's you're. in praying and praying in our area that it's on the state jurisdiction if you. if you believe the ballot process the electoral process is part of the commons it's one of the things the government appropriately should do. what do we do about it being hijacked and privatized specifically with the commission on presidential elections well the super pacs and the electronic voting machines that what thomas paine referred to as the beating heart of them are sort of our our it's all been privatized you know exactly right voting machines out about a six hundred billion dollars policy there were very few people in congress that

voted against. spending billions for both the for the federal for the states and localities had to come up with more big sours one it voted against them. it was a big overreaction to florida. interest but and if the election commissions that you mentioned they had to dominated just by the major parties the presidential debate commission and i believe that they're probably based on wall street so met with a successful lot of green party actually recently filed a lawsuit. and the green party jill stein hired all the parties to publicize come to gather the money in the presidential commissions actually three need we're going to be releasing them all left thirty in the way after our ways the presidential commission funded no taxpayer money and almost. warren buffett is one of the people

there yeah i guess he born. in as bush is with general motors eight you see very odd i'm also very all been there so it's been privatized the system is run so it's a governmental commission it's a high school student with corporate funding is this something you think should be taken over by the government that this should be the role of government to make sure that elections are fair and equal and that in the votes aren't being counted for bridge. you know you get into how much taxpayer money we've got to balance the budget. so i'm not so young say that you know where we should appropriate just to solve a problem that's exactly what they did with their like trying to vote in computerized spam boy and fished out thank you started out that like for you the. close to ten billion several. about a topic get through a day in india and that this is the local state so i'm not aware that you know say

i want the federal government to control debates. afaik having an alternative for the us with the coverage that c.e.o. and i are sending a message to and house of bush and all those other corporate sponsors look you may not be on the right thing where wrapped up here that's a good note saying. everybody here tonight on the right team i feel i can't speak for all of you but boy you know i think one of the things it is really underlined this new keeps coming up these the election process should it be federalized and hand over to the federal government should remain in the private sector right that was the panel there over in chicago speaking to virtual guide he is the presidential candidate for the constitution party now john i understand that virgil goode it was a member of numerous parties yeah i mean this is. very interesting man i mean you

he is safe to say the most conservative out of all of the candidates here of all the four and he started off interesting live as a democrat so he's a democrat like democrat turned republican who actually voted to impeach bill clinton shortly thereafter that's when he turned to you know to being a republican but it's interesting he is also for term limits for congressman even though he if i'm not mistaken is a six time. former congressman from virginia and it's very also very interesting that he's rather popular there still so it is very it is very real and very accurate to say that he might have some sort of impact when it comes to the elections especially in that state especially in order to you know sort of siphon off votes from mitt romney so this is you know still very very very important so so it's interesting that you bring that up that he can have an impact in the state of virginia because abby i know that you bring up in your show that you know different interview jill stein and some of the other candidates and there's this argument

that they're not going to win and therefore your vote on them is wasted but as adriano just pointed out even in the state of virginia. this candidate is making an impact now i mean what will be electoral college system it's a little bit hard and we should like england representation with the popular vote of however many people are constitutionalists in this country many people are socialists i mean that's another voice that we're not hearing it is the socialist candidate but i mean if we actually had representation for how many people did vote these people that i think more people would invest in third parties that this point people are just voting against people and when they vote for someone like virgil goode they'll probably hate on by their friends they were you close to you know. because this person was like oh no major major argument two thousand first all we know that gore won he didn't fight he succeeds the seated we know that kerry won in two thousand and four and it's been very documented heavily. so i mean you can't

really blame third party candidates or voting for your conscience to lose these people the election i don't buy that are and at this point there still is something ten percent of undecided voters and these are voters that are disillusioned with the republican party and the democratic party of course we don't see the same enthusiasm behind president obama that we saw in two thousand and eight and his promise of hope and change a lot of conservatives in the house afghans are into aren't all gung ho about romney either so it looks like there is a room at least for for some more dialogue or for some other viewpoints in this case the reason party into a crowded raid so essentially i mean tonight you will be able to see i think a lot of arguments that don't make their way onto the mainstream not because they're not valid only because they don't fit into the horse worries type of coverage that you're going to see in other places not these you know sort of thoughtful conversations that. you know that often get no the short end of the

stick and look for people to elections and that's why we're such a low voter turnout is because people are sick of this can dialogue in this scripted dog and pony show horse race i mean when they see these debates and they see the fact that there are no third party voices and i think a lot of people don't identify with two corporate backed candidates who don't really speak to them i mean i think a lot of people in this country can identify with and in the war is not being imperialist stick and you know said you know calling is all around the world i mean it's a lot of people do agree with a lot of things that the third party candidates are saying but they don't hear that so they tune out because they realize you know what's the point and that's really. as we saw there this debate is sponsored by the free and equal elections foundation this is a nonprofit organization that says it promotes an open voting process for everyone so of course there was no third party candidate in the mainstream debates the last one was last night i do want to play in. now

a clip from our very own tom hartman he's over there in chicago and speaking to the candidates both want to listen to what he has to say about these thresholds and the requirements how they are so high that they kind of block these third party candidates from entering this debate let's take a listen to what he has to say about this. it's a tragedy that we allowed the democratic and republican parties to game the system to come up with this fifteen percent threshold and say that a party or candidate can pull fifteen percent in the elections them they have no reason to be on the on the ticket. counter argument is that to some extent is that within those two parties they've been allowing people who have what might be considered to be. outside the normal range of the party shows the voices ron paul and those percentage for example they allowed them to participate in the debates but i think that that's only is the smallest little piece we need those voices

louder and in the mean to be all right that was tom hartman of it what do you think do you think that the way that these debates are set up that they're designed in a way to keep it so it remains this two party dialogue salut lee i mean look at the commission who sponsored and i mean they they don't allow third parties to come in you have to have millions of dollars you have to be backed by the biggest corporations on the planet but if the terms of the voting system i mean what tom harkin was kind of just touching upon where you touched on earlier i mean the u.n. is actually going to administer oversight on our voting process i just read today i mean it's so rigged from the top down i mean whether we just are wrong he's invested in the voting machines i mean this is just of third whether it be the corporate backed media pushing the two party system on you the corporate backed candidates pushing millions of dollars into their message to the voting machines to the electoral process i mean the whole system is just this in franchises everyone else i think it's funny because i went down to north carolina to cover the

democratic national convention and you said that the system is very good and there is there was at least one speaker that said that same exact. loop of warren this. is a regular family for you or is it as it was i mean to be fair i think she was also talking about banks. right they're trying to but you know it's interesting you bring interesting point as well i think we were discussing while we were just listening to the panel is the fact that another big issue here is money it's huge and that is you're talking about exactly that and now where the system that was supposed to the post to be is not what it is because of the employments of money exactly and i mean back in ninety two it was i mean you had a candidate ross perot that essentially bankrolled his entire campaign right that can't happen anymore why citizens united is a huge part of that because you have billions and billions and just so many so much

money that you have no idea where it comes from that's just backing different candidates different ways different cause is that you can't even keep track of it so essentially you're seeing that you know if you don't have money you don't have a voice and as we saw you know supreme court says you know free money is free speech it's becoming clear increasingly clear that yes i mean in order to have your voice heard you have to have something behind it in a backer and that's a rather alarming definitely and i don't know i mean looking ahead it's really it's going to be telling that i mean even the president himself has come out and said you know you know right now i have to play this game but you know i really i really do believe that we need to reform our system it will be interesting if you know anything anything will change after that personal things are going to change he doesn't have to worry about reelection again i mean if we think i'm going to push obama to the left after he wins this election. i mean he's going to talk about

though anyone anything at this point well maybe that it's got nothing to lose maybe like you know i don't know i mean that is a. puppet masters to pay back for funding and bankrolling this campaign. talking about money while we're on this subject around the posts if it were on a post citizens united you know a lot of critics are saying not only. that affecting who is getting elected but what the what topics what is even in our dialogue what is being brought up in these debates what do you think about that and i'll salute lee yeah i mean you don't hear what the climate change thing of course we're not going to want to hear about that because of the oil companies i mean coal you don't hear about alternative energy which is what adrian was talking on earlier jule styne is green new deal i mean this is really where we need to focus now in this country is a stain of all alternative energy sources i mean we're going to war again these resources to exploit the oil in these countries i mean it's just it's absurd it's obscene i mean you could even go down. clean coal guys there's no such thing as

clean coal that's like saying seems like an odd play it seriously it's like saying cold fire doesn't exist sorry sorry to break it to. you know and it's interesting though the thing is that because there are so many interests of play that you see that these candidates sort of have to tap dance around things because they're worried about offending this person or bending this group or having you know that's that's a problem look at mitt romney that's the best example of catering and pandering to the far right and then coming in essentially the first of in disavowing everything that he was talking about during you know the primary so that's very very interesting and that's essentially had his talking points for when he was in the primary and once it came down like oh no it's time to let's go tone it down a little bit now it's like now and i'm going to run for president now this is not a seriously neither is writing the president it was. exactly you don't believe what i was talking about over there former show no no no he put it like the last debate

he put on his best you know reagan suit but ended up looking like i said like this i don't know but i was serious i mean and also think about how much money is poured into these candidates from the military industrial complex the telecommunications industry so of course we're not going to hear about issues like you know net neutrality things like cyber security i mean these issues are really watered down. because the military. words runs foreign policy i mean the draft policy they push through policy the surveillance state always the ever expanding surveillance state just more and more money to these candidates of course these issues are totally off the table they also both agree on everything all right i'll be speaking about speaking of what is talked about what is mentioned in these mainstream debates versus what is not mentioned i know adriano you compiled this nice little chart that tallies the top mentioned words from the debate last night versus the least mentioned i think it's pretty interesting so i want to bring up right now. all

right while we try to get that chart out there it is mentioned iran was a hot topic. and forty seven times syria got a mention of sixteen and believe it or not that was actually very surprising to be surprising that would explain why it's not on the top mention exactly if we are of course always always a favorite and these debaters of thirty four it was a thirty four times pakistan the economy both got twenty five mentions afghanistan the war that is supposedly winding down or what you don't want to iraq very much of course they claim the war is over moment tens of thousands of military contractors are going to stay there also afghanistan they just signed a strategic packed with cars as a ministration to extend the troop withdrawal to twenty twenty four so when you hear him talking about afghanistan it's all the superficialities of the surge work we're pulling no success they don't talk about the insider killings they don't talk

about how it's been an abysmal failure in policy in taking responsibility for that and also just the obvious truth that we are never leaving i mean we don't leave countries that we invaded occupy we're still in japan we're still in korea i mean we're not going to leave. took the world like right just like i'm speechless and there you go. you do want to get now to the least know if it is ok we've got to get to that to the other side of the chart latin america was mentioned before i was a little of part of the planet and that was our times that was a lot that was all mitt romney all around all minority all the romney saying we need to trade more with china start with latin america which i agree with that we need to you know start broadening our economic arises but there was a huge lack of anything else i mean that god to me was very just very telling but sorry continually there's not. what's going on there either i don't know the drugs

. let's let's move on drones of were mentioned twice but not by obama we'll get back to that in a second yemen got a mention once the eurozone even though it's melting into chaos. in greece oh well i think greece was meant it was mentioned by kind of in passing. despite the trending on twitter no mention the drug war of course we were just talking about that so drones were mentioned for the first time last night so they have finally broken their silence on the issue actually we do have that clip let's take a listen to what mitt romney's response. i believe that we should use any and all means necessary to take out people who pose a threat to us and our friends around the world and it's widely reported the drones are being used in drone strikes and i support that entirely and feel the president

was right to the usage of that technology and believe that we should continue to use it to continue to go after the people who represent a threat to this nation. ok so that was mitt romney on drones was that enough does that satisfy you the absolutely not i mean he talks about them in passing as if yes they're they're working no they're not working ninety eight percent failure rate in the country both talk about sequestration because here one thing that they definitely both agreed with was obama saying don't worry we're going to stay strong on our military we're not going to cut military at all and then nothing new which is like he was in lieu thing and then romney saying we're only not going to cut military we're going to expand it at one hundred thousand troops we're going to expand it to almost. exactly the reasoning behind this is a candidate that obviously has got a can't campaign trail and says time time again the government doesn't create jobs it's that one percent it's the it's the private sector that creates job jobs and essentially his rationale is oh if we cut these you know this will cost us jobs

will cost the country to grow. and it's very telling it's telling that all of a sudden he's like oh wait we can then oh no because i. get that are you closing the exact we don't want to do that so essentially he's advocating for a backdoor stimulus which is not getting a lot of you know a lot of discussion that's actually rather alarming the fact that ok another i don't know if you can categorize it as a flip flop or say but it's just another pivot and there's over here is romney you know claiming we want to double the military and we also want to make all these fiscal choices and cut across all across the board and he carefully put out another sad more apparently than what the pentagon is out. you know i'm going to find a good job right larry already have to build a bigger than that some countries combined romney wants to expand it god knows why there is no real threat facing this country but the best part about all of this is that he can't provide any data to back it up the only websites that have calculated

his ridiculous economic plan are by blogs that are full of his i think mean there is no exit on him is putting forward his plan and say well these numbers work because they don't because he's so worried alley or i don't worry he has a five point plan don't don't worry about advice wants that's a very simple example there's five point seven points right don't worry just get him elected and then you'll be able to leverage just you know we're talking about one thing that actually really did disappoint me last night and i know that i was saying that they were peddling propaganda earlier and she was saying that they weren't but i mean how else could you explain obama coming out and saying that old tired phrase of awkward energy audit saying that he wants to wipe israel off the map i mean this is a mistranslation this phrase doesn't exist in persian the guardian independent all these new zealots of come out experts have concluded this is not what i said so you had obama peddling this rhetoric he knows better than that and then you had romney following up with saying that he not only said that but that romney would charge occidental with incitement to genocide for mistranslation i don't stare at the t.v.

i like i was smashed stupid i doubt you're going to say that so you want to bring you know i want to do a lot of that i want to bring back i mean it was it was shocking and like i cannot believe both of them are pushing this narrative you know that was really not going to be as and i mean essentially it's it's to garner votes we all we all know exactly and that's to garner votes and unfortunately and that's the thing this is this is what we're this is really this is what we're living right now the reality is that you have to sort of be afraid of offending this person in this group but you don't you lie you know not to lie like straight i'm going to be the senator that you run as a threat or thing that is widely debated. whether or not that was taken he has said some crazy thank you has had some very. out there are things the way that it is the extent to which iran is a threat is also controversial but it's interesting because. the way that obama so far has dealt with it is exposing imposing these sanctions these sanctions that are

now crippling the country and then you have mitt romney saying that he would i would i'm going to impose morning not only that not only is it not enough he would have done it earlier so that's the only thing that he would change you wanted but it really is he really any different when it comes to iran his stance in the way that he would deal with iran is it really that much different from that i mean i just hope before the election but i mean we can't forget the covert warfare that's been going on the military buildup on the strait of hormuz i mean we have cyber warfare stocks that crippling their nuclear facilities with the assassination of nuclear scientists but the terrorists you know any group that we've now taken off the state department list i mean so there's all these covert means military buildup around the country for the last fifty years saber rattling them installing a pro who has dictator you know. who did take over for proteus dictator b.p. trying to seize their oil i mean this is all things when people look at iran and they don't understand why there's such tension there's

a very long complicated history of u.s. intervention in the region and the kind of super that it's been going on i think i mean to be fair i would only i would only suggest that i feel that the that even even obama's presidency sort of rhetoric towards the situation in iran which is you know it's actually it is something that you know national security issue. it's even it's more it's more it's more of a step back then even mitt romney is like mitt romney is really pushing that you know that narrative of you know yeah we have to be strong and if we're going to go to war essentially read between the lines we're going to go to war and how good was when romney said don't don't propose me with hypotheticals when the moderator i like that you're treated. it was just like well what happens you know if you really don't ask me that you know he was like what's going to speculate here i really didn't very actually rational but better go we're not going out there would have been invade the planet i mean we're talking about something that could very likely

have been tossed it out there you know slippery. if you want to take another live look in chicago where the debates are set to kick off in just seven minutes and there is our moderator tom hartman getting ready for the big event. tom hartman of their own host there tom hartman of course hosts the big picture here on our t.v. . and he let's take a listen to what to what he had to say about this about he was on the news just a couple of days ago. that's the really important thing about third party candidates whether they're on the left on the right side that you like the side that you don't like they open the debate up ross perot did that back in ninety two it was time that we saw it seriously out at a national level and to some extent ralph nader i suppose in two thousand but it really needs to be done now. tom hartman talking about the last time we had

a third party candidate in the mainstream debate of course that is ralph nader. back in one thousand excuse me ross perot ross were out. back at night we haven't seen that with the last time we did see it on this level what do you think it would take. for the us to see that again to have three podiums up there man i think just public pressure i think i think what we're doing as a network which is making the corporate media relevant offering the platform for third parties to really put their message out there because really what we saw last night was that these two establishment candidates have no significant differences when it comes to foreign policy so we as americans when we're voting for either of these candidates we don't have a choice other than to be that imperialist aggressive military force in the world going around colonizing i mean so really what the third parties do is offer that choice and i think our team does a great job of providing the platform getting people to rally behind these alternative voices that so desperately need to be here in the world when do you

think it would take. money money and time and i mean i'm exactly i mean we we are living right now in reality which is it takes it takes money to be able to bankroll a campaign and you know if you and also your you have to sort of you know sort of excel at the system in order to beat it and that's essentially what it's going to take at least in. my view right now you're going to have to see organization you're going to have to see people like on the streets you have to continue to see the these grassroots efforts but you also. need money you need that backing and that's really i completely believe that that's what's going to and we do see within the libertarian party. you know of course ron paul isn't in this race anymore but some of his supporters are saying that they are putting their effort in their time and you know kind of rallying focusing their efforts on two thousand and

sixteen and kind of working out on the local level and we are seeing it again see you know seeing it expand do you think that i think that. this could be a real feel like that's what it's going to take you're also going to have to see these types of candidates are going to have to see that kind of jewel like a diner going to have to see gary johnson you have to see all these in sort of the state the local levels and then you have to see that in congress as well you have to be able to you know have people be comfortable with these ideas and you're going to have to see these sort of gain traction and see all of these sort of candidates and become elected and see that they are viable which is essentially at the end of the day that's the thing that's what ron paul wanted right he wanted to be viable he wanted to be seen as viable and that's what it's going to take people have to see they see this and think that they're viable. and you know we're talking about this two party system and what's interesting is that there are

a lot of democracies around the world that have many parties that take part in the dialogue and then have none that's also that bad and that is very true. democracy such as ours that really doesn't have. it in we are we're here in the nation's capital and you know that's what makes america great is that it is now or did not always be i mean we all we have learned our first amendment our freedom of speech really doesn't sit right here and talk about this right freedom of assembly that's a very that's very true. we want to make sure that we keep those freedoms right that's why we're you know that's why we're trying to give these people voices. because they want to preserve our freedom they want to preserve our liberties they don't want this country to be run into the ground with excessive military spending and turning the whole world against us with what we're doing so i think this is where i don't want to read corruption the two tier justice is i mean it's so lame bare and you know a lot of the things that that you know why everyone everybody at some point of

course is changing this american dream where you can come here and you can pull you pull up your bootstraps. and something that really does differentiate us and now we do see i mean it's a fact we have record poverty levels we have a shrinking middle class and these are all things that that that we're going to talk about later because larry king and larry king is joining. us for larry king let's put them on right now and we have two minutes. are we allowing applause from the right. saying of course they want to help or they're going to pull you want to apply are going to. be. all right so there will be rules in the debate but unlike the other four debates which are just it just ended with the audience how to keep quiet you don't have to keep quiet.