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here's mitt romney trying to figure out of that thing that the americans call a dollar. i'm sorry i'm just a guy who cares an awful lot about my country you sir are a fool you know what that is my terror cells. don't want to wish to see terrorism the only liberal approach. really sort of.
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but the guys today i want to talk to about free and fair elections some of you might have heard by now that the organization for security and cooperation in europe and geo register with the u n o b seven forty four observers to polling places around the u.s. to monitor polling disputes that's right folks oh host american civil rights groups including and the c.p. amazed you pleading to the u.n. group to watch for coronated political effort to disenfranchise millions of americans particularly minorities not surprisingly though people are already outraged republican senate candidate conny mack said earlier this week that the un's actions and intentions toward the u.s. have been nothing short of reprehensible yeah how shameless of the international community to want to make sure the electoral process in this country is as transparent as possible i mean after all it's not like the us sends observers to
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other countries to monitor their elections oh wait they do these outcries against having un observers monitor our elections is a clear example of the republican tactic of if you can't beat em just steal the election by the way ohio alone is case in point to why it's important to promote transparent elections studied. done by the state has labeled its voting system a failure and not only that but the voting machine provider part in our civic we counting the votes and some of those crucial swing states like ohio and colorado and shown to have extensive corporate ties to none other but the mitt romney campaign you know somehow it doesn't really surprise me after all the u.s. election is a rigged election and that's why i'm breaking the set. of the. so we're just two weeks away from the presidential election folks and a majority of americans are still have the impression that we only have two choices
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in this country obama or romney now if you're watching r t or al-jazeera as coverage of the third party debate last night you know that's simply not the case that a talk a little bit more about the debate and the complete media blackout surrounding alternative voices in the two thousand and twelve elections i'm joined by georgetown university professor chris chambers good how are you. so i think one of the most significant differences at least this that equation is that they're kind of mocking last time is how low key these debates were no corporate backing just kind of a very average you know set of reverb on the micro just like very normal i mean when there's no corporate money that you have very real people were talking about real issues what do you think about that as well i mean there's a couple of things i mean we're in one thousand nine hundred two ross perot's the difference between me and other third party candidates is i'm using my own money so he could do a lot more with you know these people just do not have that kind of backing they don't have the three mega media broadcast networks they don't have the corporate
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giants like fox and c.n.n. you know who buy you know advertising the ad buys for these campaigns go on those those major networks so it did have this kind of high school gym kind of quality but the funny thing is that even the two kind of fringe candidates rocky and then virgil goode they were very thoughtful in their presentations governor johnson very thoughtful jule styne who ironically ran against mitt romney wants very thoughtful so even in the issues that are important to them they were very analytical they put it in policy terms it was not a reality show about gaffes or who's going to say what to piss off whomever they were you know they were talking about the issues it was his art and that is when you take that reality show atmosphere which is a carnival fed by money. after that you have people talking leaders talking about issues and as a media analyst president what do you think about the can and utter media blackout
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i mean of course they've had a couple networks of jill stein and gary johnson on a couple of minutes to write these people exist yet you're going to get the complete lack of this coverage in the corporate world it's clear i mean goes back to what i said about a reality show i mean you don't make money by giving people p.b.s. you make money by giving people lunacy and that's what this is watered down reality show melodrama i mean mitt romney's campaign manager said you know we're not going to let people fact you don't want to let fact checkers get in the way of our story i mean that's a metaphor for what's going on and on the on the obama side too is you have them with their own carnival feeding the media carnival which is the which they chew out to the least common denominator consumer so they can chew on it more easily they just you know like birds you know so they you know so that we don't have to do any work we just sit there like zombies and they can pay you know the advertisers pay them you know they get to spend more money it becomes a big circus when you're
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a third party candidate unless it's something really crazy and really sexy or you have somebody like perot who it is own money and came in at the right time with the right message or george wallace in sixty eight they're going to be ignored because it's not sexy it's usually about something substantive and they don't want to talk about anything substantive yeah absolutely but let's talk about what you know i'm glad that you watched the third party debate but you also subscribe to the fact that obama is the lesser of two evils but i wrote on our producer's facebook wall the other day that obama is in fact the lesser of two evils means well and that voting third party won't accomplish a thing how does it feel like to subscribe to the politics of fear. i feel great as a fear monger but you know i'm honored and you know i love to mongar but i mean basically what's going on is that you have covered. anson who who ironically has braced some because of his libertarian background some of the aspects of say the
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ryan budget and then put it but put it in very connective reasonable terms for people but then you have paul ryan who was the author of that you know basically subscribing to the scarier part of it and you know basically stripping away the truth that this is all a big power play was governor johnson actually looks at it and says well there are some of these things we can actually use this as policy well who cares about policy it's all about power and what i see in the republican ticket is that basically that power grab that kind of cynical power grab when you see the people who are funding these pacs and what they're about and then you look at the tea party aspect and that frightens me a whole hell of a lot than barack obama who you know has his kind of mr spock approach to the world and i guess i can probably deal with spock better than i can a bunch of. i understand the politics of fear i was there once i was one thing or anyone but bush but i saw that the whole system is pretty much rigged because but i
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mean what just a curiosity what makes you think that obama does mean well i mean he's continuing the same counterterrorism strategies as the bush administration i mean he's going to rebranded that whole effort but he's still doing heart the same thing that a foreign policy well that's and c. and there is the problem is the foreign policy side you know you can make a lot of you can wrap up and neatly teil lot of arguments on the domestic side from the economy to social issues but on the foreign policy side that's where that's where his his his charisma everything drops and you know the major networks did not cover the fact you know r.t. did al-jazeera c.-span with you know just in terms of coverage of the third party debates something that the major networks missed is that most of that third debate with romney romney and obama were agreeing the drama was over. for the nonsense stuff the the the wingnut vs lefty reality show crap it is the glee
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but only been on policy you know they were like almost tweedle dum and tweedle dee and that's where that's where i worry because it's spills over from a possible war starting to to you know civil liberties and the sovereignty of their nation and fortune were not presented other alternatives there and you know it's sad that a four into four networks have to provide us with these alternatives chris chambers georgetown university thanks so much for coming on breaking it down. i. so yesterday it was released that it paid informant for the n.y.p.d. was under orders to quote bait muslims in the same inflammatory things. yep show me or run home and bangladeshi american can conduct a double life taking pictures inside of mosques and collecting the names of people attending study groups on islam police reportedly told to embrace
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a strategy called create and capture he said it involved creating conversations about jihad or terrorism then capturing their responses and for his hard commendable work here he turned one thousand dollars a month and of course some goodwill and a string of minor marijuana wrists. are to have the chance to talk to cyrus mcgoldrick a rep from the council on american islamic relations and here's what he had to say about it. i noticed something in the article today that was especially disturbing and that he was really recording not just to get people in plots and plans but to just get people to say something that was somehow inflammatory or that somehow controversial and that speech was enough for the n.y.p.d. to keep tabs on that for me is a whole new level of terrorism and something that we should all be conscious of is right no need for real substance just as long as they got some anti american sentiment you know this all reminds me of another recent story that of quality muhammad. a bangladeshi american who was just arrested for his plot to bomb the
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federal reserve building but not without the help of the f.b.i. of course you say it was a result just became a statistic in a string of countless other f.b.i. plots and it was glenn greenwald who so perfectly called out this entrapment he said the f.b.i. could cox a terrorist attack infiltrates muslim communities in order to find recruits persuade them to perpetrate the attack supplies them with the money weapons and the know how they need to carry it out only to her room with glee jump in at the last moment arrest the would be perpetrators whom the f.b.i. converted and save a grateful nation from the plot manufactured by the f.b.i. so you get it folks all this is in part a huge campaign to make the u.s. look like they've saved america from the terrorist plots that they have set themselves have created it's absurd with no real threat facing this country the f.b.i. and cia need to invent reasons to justify the domestic front of the war on terror.
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but i want to bring it back to the muslim american community because this is a community that's now suffering to levels comparable to what we saw with anti japanese sentiment post world war two and instead of internment camps we've just moved into a debilitating state of muslim surveillance think about it we don't need to in turn people to monitor them anymore we just have massive surveillance grid set up to spy on the people that the u.s. would have probably put into camps fifty years ago this is all the new chilling effect chilling muslim americans in a continuum of isolation and trepidation pushing them into a fear of one of their most sacred tenets their mosque because you see it's a problem when your place of worship has been completely hijacked by the incessant worry that you might mistakenly be friend an informant or even worse that your mild dissent for u.s. foreign policy will somehow distort into a justification for your arrest you see that is not freedom of religion that is not freedom of speech so that is where the u.s.
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principles for democracy were thrown out the window and replaced with institutionalized fear. now if you like what you see so far go to our youtube channel one time dot com slash breaking the set and subscribe check out our facebook page at facebook dot com slash break in the set and follow me on twitter at abby martin we'll take a break from my preaching for now but stay tuned to hear about obama's continuation of everything your w. bush next. question is that so much as i said i'm going which of course he's right on it i'm so beyond any of the candidates for awful moment in mitt romney revealed a little major difference between the two in their approaches to security and foreign affairs many clean. stories to come.
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along. like don't tell me i'm on my. prime a. joke or name which among other things coming up.
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with eight years of scandal contempt torture and to
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a legal ground wars deep there was a strong anti bush sentiment pervasive amongst american citizens leading up to the two thousand and eight presidential elections and during obama's campaign for president he made it clear that waterboarding was torture and that bush administration officials had broken the law with their illegal wiretapping programs and counterterrorism torture strategies but if there's one thing we've learned over the last few years it's that talk is cheap and one just has to look at what obama's actions were after he got elected into office to see that actions speak louder than words and help me dig more into this and where it brings us all today ravi martin journalist from the dot org joins us from oakland california hey robbie thanks for coming on. abbi thanks for having me so i remember a really strong rhetoric coming from the obama administration during the early stages of this campaign that this tone kind of began to change and immediately after he got into office he started with a look forward line i wanted to start up this area just playing you
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a couple clips from robert gibbs and rahm emanuel expanding upon this line. the president also believes that. rather than. looking backward and fighting this backward that it's important to move our country forward this is not a time for retribution as time for reflection and it's not time to use our energy and our time in looking back and in a sense of anger and retribution and of course there are other people that repeating this talking point robbie i mean here's rahm emanuel said it's not a time for retribution at a time for reflection and what do you really do what does that mean what did not prosecuting the bush administration really mean. or what it meant as it essentially normalized the bush policy that everybody was so devastated by. i mean that torture is not being investigated which is actually against
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a bill that reagan signed into law. the treaty against torture which actually makes it a crime to not investigate torture and if the administration or a probe on the earth gives you know or any of these people never went on record saying that they thought waterboarding was torture and that the bush administration broke the law in the no one's above the law it would have been more acceptable if they didn't investigate or prosecute anybody but they sell that stuff and they can't erase the record so yeah it essentially normalized that policy and it made them look like complete hypocrites because they somewhere along the line in this. in room behind closed doors they change their mind and they're choosing someone just like oh my god you know we can't actually follow through with all these campaign promises of investigative activity so we you know we need to
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start saying different things i mean even the reporters in the you know in the white house asking robert gibbs are like but the president said this you know and he just like you know we need to look forward not backward which is which is cartoonish i mean that's what investigations are they look into the past criminal activity i mean look that's the little yeah and i love the reporter in that we didn't actually play the clip of the reporter asking us original question but i was just like what is going to do to america's credibility around the world people around the world who are looking at this administration and saying you tortured you knowingly torture i mean let's talk about the cancer the cancerous truth that stills wrought in the core of this country robbie i mean but let's talk about really realistically what what was the reason why why you think i mean beyond the rhetoric beyond the propaganda beyond just kind of him saying you know there's too much that we promise there's too much that we talk about to really move forward with this i mean obama is continuing some of these things i mean he still exports
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torture via rendition flights we have baghran air base in afghanistan that's kind of like that the get no that no one talks about right i mean get most still open so really if obama did prosecute the bush administration then it would open himself up for prosecution of these same policies that are still happening. well you know i mean at the very least it would make them look like enablers because when obama was in the senate i mean he you know just as one example he voted for the telecom immunity bill which essentially is a retroactive i mean is ation of any of these major telecom companies for illegally spying on american citizens so that means that if you find out right now if you or i find out that we were spied on. during you know the n.s.a. a. policy under bush then we will not have any ability to sue because of the policies that obama helped in the senate passed which gives him full immunity but
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yeah i mean the democrats in the senate and in congress were fully knowledgeable about these so-called enhanced interrogation techniques which is just another spin rebranding on the word torture in the oil scene memos that obama actually put out when he first got into office clearly lay out the blatant law breaking it was taking place i mean there's even a section in there which talks about putting insects inside of a box were you know it terrorist suspect is inside of a closed box completely pitch black and we're writing down on this memo that we can put insects in the box and tell them that they're you know sure angelas or black widows or what have you i mean how creepy is that it's like i went beyond waterboarding which of course is torture i mean ever anyone can say that that's torture oh of course george tenet maybe but i mean yeah the insect in a box i don't think a lot of people remember that aspect of it i mean just
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a really barbaric tactic that's just despicable well it's it's extremely barbaric it's it's psychological torture to the hilt i mean and i don't not only that kind of psychological torture in the memos they also i believe they lay out i'm not sure which memo there was four different ones that were released. but i believe it's the one that jay bybee wrote which talks about that you're allowed to threaten a person's relative with rape and murder you know you could pretend that you're horrible rate someone's child. to get them to confess something i mean that you know to me that's just it's unbelievable that that stuff is actually written here yes. that in itself is mind boggling robbie but i want to get in to today i mean obviously over the last four years we've seen you know obama has set himself up as the drone king judge jury and executioner of the extrajudicial assassinations now
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this contingency plan that he has it's called the disposition matrix i mean this whole global apparatus for going beyond just the kill list what do you think about him at the debate kind of not even answering the question really about drones romney at least mentioned drones but obama kind of totally skirted around the issue he just only recently came out and said that they were even using that i mean what do you think about this and what do you think about just the republicans kind of painting obama as weak on terror and light of him doing all of these things that are just expanding bush administration policies here. well i think he won and it's it's really tragic and depressing that only when obama got into office he pretty much normalized all of these things that were considered radical that pushed it like extrajudicial killings you know drone bombings and things like that but now will there's a new chance for someone else to challenge obama on these policies because now
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they're obama's policies so for romney to get up there they were the republican party as a whole to come out of him with this year that he's weak on terror i mean that's like saying bush is weak on terror i mean in the word terrorism is beating you know any but but it is it's really sad that there is a new opportunity to actually challenge obama on his post more and i've said that you know obama's pretty much a neo con when it comes to foreign policy so of course there are they are going to agree with everything that these foreign policy debates are really is a charade robbi it's sad that americans are not presented an actual choice in changing the course of american foreign policy in the imperialism we're setting up all of the world thank you so much for coming on given your take robbie marne media roots dot org thanks for having me. all right guys if you've been watching the show you know i talk a lot about obama's drone wars kill lists and other covert tactics being used to
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combat terrorism well if those aren't scary enough let me present to you done done done the disposition matrix what the hell is that according the washington post over the last two years the obama administration has been secretly working on a blueprint of a targeted assassination program for the next generation. the development of the to specific tricks is part of a series of moves but it is strange to embed counterterrorism tools to us for the long haul. for the long haul yep these policies aren't going away any time soon let me break down a couple of things the program actually does the disposition matrix goes far beyond obama's current kill list after all drones are operating everywhere in the world so this is a program that maps targeted individuals hunts them down even in places that are beyond the current reach of u.s. drones and take them out essentially this creates a legal framework for targeted killings which is part of a larger effort to set up
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a contingency plan for all future administrations to follow but obama has been creating legal frameworks around all sorts of illegal practices through his administration already said on the daily show last week about wiretapping. district that he put in place that people might have thought were government overreach in that and that maybe they had a mind that you would perhaps tone down well you haven't well you know the truth is actually we have modified them and built. a legal structure and safeguards in place that weren't there before on a whole range of issues. a whole range of issues indeed and you know what is right this legal framework didn't exist and for good reason these policies have always been illegal human beings deserve due process that's why we have a justice system but this whole rebranding effort to label something as dark and sinister as a global assassination machine as a mere disposition matrix isn't too surprising when you consider obama's entire
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presidency has rebranded its policies more times than the criminal entity formerly known as blackwater has or changed its name let's take a quick trip down memory lane the first thing obama set out to do is distance himself from the bush rhetoric of the global war on terror which is smart on his part since the redundant phrase doesn't really make any sense war is terror terror is war so the term overseas contingency operations took the spot sound significantly more in oculus right but what really did change let's see what biden had to say. is there still a global war on terror there is a war on terror chair is a legitimate threat it is a threat that comes from al qaida and those organizations that have more also of al qaeda but there are other interests we have beyond merely for example the situation in the middle east is not
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a global war on terror but it matters to us what you do with the. other interests that play oh we know biden we know this is all just a sly way to use propaganda to justify criminal activity the american public just like what it what they did with extraordinary rendition of calling it what it is kidnapping and outsourcing torture but we know that they don't even call it torture anymore it's now downplayed as and handsome terror geisha it's as if prisoners are receiving some sort of service upgrade and we can't forget the u.s. military engagement in libya which obama referred to as kinetic military actions see how easy it is to rebranding murder lies and torture so at the end of the day our leaders don't lie to us about these policies they just provide us with an alternate version of historical events hey whatever makes you sleep at night.
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