thank you very much for being with us thank you mr goodnow. glad to have this opportunity it's a pleasure well as i just mentioned in the beginning of the show there have been lots of talk recently about reforming the a c. and as far as i know it's one of the topics that thomas of your discussions here in moscow with the russian foreign minister lavrov so is europe because asian really likely to be reformed in the near future because i've been hearing that i mean talk about reform prefer a couple of years now yet when the us seem fact is being told me consistently through its life he was born as the c.s.c. a political process is. the charter of paris in one thousand nine hundred transformed it institutionalized it it moved from being the c.s.e. into the us see saw in an organization in istanbul at the summit in one thousand nine there was a charter adopted them the organization equipped itself to live within its new security challenges the more global challenges to security and starting moving in

a different direction of a couple of years ago or at the summit in astana there was a new concept the surface the concept of a security community we need to flesh out this concept. develop it better and my view there is a need to update the agenda of the organization to yes to introduce a certain element of reform here and there you said you said that the organization has been changing over the years this is true every organisation is changing over the years but since people started talking about the need for rufu or does that mean that something's wrong inside there are those issues can you can you can you prove them i won't say that something is wrong i would say that there are some some may come in some procedures. and those are some agendas the need to be updated. and this is in my view a bit of a. a challenge for us because the u.s.c.

is a very transparent organization you're seeing crudes as you know or all european countries it has a transatlantic dimension because of who's the north american countries they say you're asian they mention because it includes the central asian and this community which is a very diverse community in itself is going through a phase where perspectives do differ and where you sit that's matter and and you tend to view things in a different light and this is something we perceive within the organization and in our debates very often we do see differences so. this is a phase in which i think there is perhaps even more need for an organization like the u.s. see that being so everybody around the table when there is more. there's more topics to discuss and there is more need to try to develop common but that did that the discussion is also more difficult because of the difference we'll always see

means are in control human rights security elections it's the truth there isn't such a widespread slow zation hamper the effectiveness of the well that's the whole point about the u.s. see sees a security organization security and cooperation as an individual initially and this simply makes it promotes security through what. i would add to the list there you've mentioned also the human the economic dimension so we have the human dimension the economic dimension the more political military side and there is work to be done on each of on each of these these areas plus one of the things we have seen over time is that the approach to security has evolved quite significantly we're coming from a phase where we tended to view security has a civil zero sum game. with phase where security is addressing global challenges. as you as you did with terry's matrah. thank you if you're successful

and if you make progress on that it is progress in the advantage of everybody so you can turn it into a win win game and that's what we're also trying to change and that's the idea of the community doing things together more rather than doing things. looking at each other and try to achieve the balance well despite being in the surely a security organization yossi is widely known for mamma to be active in montreal human rights situation in the former soviet countries the post soviet countries right. do you have any monitoring activity in other o.s.c. member states through example the russian parliament recently held a special meeting on the us human rights record and pointed out a number of violations in the human rights in the united states well we don't have we don't specialize in areas even though it is true that we have certain missions on the ground. that are specific mandates and mandates that they're agreed with all

the participate in states or not imposed on anybody in the agreed with everybody including the host country of those of those missions but otherwise the base that we have. debates that apply to the whole of the organization we discuss death penalty in the us and when we discuss that there are there is a country on the other side of the ocean but it comes into focus along. along with possibly others and so the discussion is open for everybody to contribute to put to put on the agenda whatever issue. you know i'm sorry where was when ye you called the united states the country on the other side of the ocean you're remind me of harry partch remember the one that they're we're not supposed to pronounce his name . but i am trying not to name any. because well this is very wise for a politician but anyway listen. let's be. more specific recently we've got reports

that eight american civil rights groups have asked the oas see for help because they are afraid that some seven hundred thousand minorities under the age of thirty will be an eligible to vote in the presidential election has now we see started the this issue have you come to an end decision on the on this we have any seclusion within the family of literacy organization of the leave specifically with the human rights and democratic institutions this is called the old dear and it's based in warsaw and the lead among other things deals with with elections and they way they operate is that we do expect that that's basic documents of the organization. the member countries or we call them state participating states that is one of the reforms that perhaps we should have as we move towards being in more fully fledged organization. do we expect each of them to invite all the

to send a team to look at how to proceed in the monitor and election. and in this team's approach this team to abuse is an assessment in balog governmental positional social forces it's a and that's what's been done for every election including the election in the united states and based on these accommodations than in observation team is followed so i do think it services to the actions there will be there will in service as well as a matter of fact how how do you cope with the legal restrictions that many countries do have on monitoring their elections from the outside well there is the basis for the for the election seizing the easing the documents of the basic documents of of us c. and then. they say the assessment teams do in fact themselves observe the situation and they. they proceed on the basis of their recommendation

they report back including on distinctions they may find so everything that is. is there will be reported back well i've got to stand is another issue we understand is facing political uncertainty as nato is leaving so i guess this also is one of the subjects of your discussions here in moscow what is done to ensure peace stability to afghanistan after nato will leave the country. i think what we're seeing on afghanistan he's a larger mobilization of the international community. i've attended myself parts of the so-called he stumbled process there seems to me we are going into the direction of giving a strong responsibility to the regional players in the countries of the region. to play an important role in. helping ensure stability and

a positive development in afghanistan in number of tools needed to. to promote economic development i think economic development would be very important in the future for afghanistan but also to look at the security side of things we. are not present in afghanistan now but afghanistan is a partner for us as he but we are present in all central asian countries we have missions and we are looking at orienting also work while continuing to perform our own mandates towards the challenges posed by afghanistan to our central asian countries and they will be in a way the drivers of this process themselves and they are looking at this in two ways one is countering the potential challenges stemming from afghanistan especially after two thousand and fourteen and the second these for us to assist them to better project into afghanistan their policy of assistance says. here is true general are always seen the spotlight should we are to brace yourself the way

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welcome back to spotlight i am al green of and just to remind you that my guest on the show today is lamberto the same year a secular general of the west see it is and you know we started talking about of ghana stand where nato is going to leave the country and well people care about it becoming unstable you talked about those sea ready to solve the economic problems of the country which is a partner for all of us see but. aren't you afraid that we will have to solve not the economic problems but the problems caused by instability new military problems new conflicts that me if you're here in and around afghanistan after nato pulls the troops the economic economic development is important but they don't think this is a major responsibility for an obvious issue like ours and in fact we do focus more on the so-called transnational threats we focus on borders of border security. we look at policing we have. in academy to train border guards and we are

training afghan border guys together in the something that is done and we're looking at the expanding some of these programs incorporation first of all with the authorities of the countries concerned in central asia and with the afghan authorities but also in close cooperation with all other international actors what are the most important threats what do you think firstly drug trafficking and terrorism a new war maybe certainly it's organized crime i mean it's the rocks trafficking is certainly a major challenge drugs are real crime and they're connected and they're obviously going to fund their you know there's also a risk of fundamentalism so we need to look also then and then i mix of the society and all these. can affect also the neighboring countries. so these are all issues of which we're working and of course not in isolation we're working in partnership with a number of other actors the u.n. first of all while this is also. a matter of great concern

of another organization and as a matter of fact your partner the the the russian led collective security treaty organization the c.s.t. oh i know that the c.e.o. and the c.s.t. oh they work together and they and they do have an. experience in post conflict settlement and so what are you working together on of them stand today. in a way the u.s. in the c.s.t. your different organizations we're not a military or the franks organizational like like c.s.t. oh yes we we are a civilian organization but the areas where we operate are areas of interest and there are synergies obviously between ourselves and we work on building these synergies with c.s.t. or and with other relevant actors of the same time i met this morning with the future secretary general of the shy guy cooperation organization another organization active in the region and with the with which we want to also build

strong relationships. in other international issues that worries the russians these days is the situation in georgia as you surely know there's been problem introduction and sacrifice release party presidential party has lost the elections so so the power shift is going to see place now so first of all. how do you think this parachute will we're all going smoothly is it disturbing him in the future and in and another thing is that do you think that the the shift of power from one party to another may result in. georgia being is starting to trying to seize back the territories they lost during the during the conflict with russia. based on what we're seeing i would i would say so far so good we we saw all the the atmosphere before the election extremely polarized we were there monitoring with

a large operation we were satisfied that there was a transition of power that took place peacefully and then who is a good result or we would like to think that we also be the little contribution to the through our own process of monitoring and through this this it all her strong international presence. what i'm seeing is that seeing for instance from a perspective of our engagement in the geneva negotiations i've seen the representatives of. the new coalition join the georgian delegation they seem to have already know all a constructive positive attitude so i don't see anything that would point to a potential problem in the way things are going. thinking whether the conditions might surface for us see to return somehow to georgia this is is going to be in any case a complicated negotiation we closed in two thousand and eight and within minutes to

reopen since then it would be good if we could because we need also to support some of things we do on the ground the work of the local mechanisms for prevention of conflict the so-called i p r m some of the water projects we run between georgia and south of certain to benefit the population at large so we look at continuing and perhaps a better structuring only gauge went on the ground so so so you don't think that the problem of the self-proclaimed state. city and house here maybe become may become a serious problem on the ground especially especially if a new president comes to rule in that country across the ocean that he may inspire georgia to start like. trying to to seize them back i don't want to really to speculate on this my attitude when it comes when it comes to this kind of issues

and you may have seen from my. professional record i spent three years in kosovo dealing with another complex situation make my experience is that it's always best to look at the practical programs engaging with the people on the ground and trying not to focus on the political issues and if the attitude remaining of this kind if we can continue on this way i'm hopeful that we can have some progress then the end will result in for the stability in that region ok now the twenty first round of an international discussions on security and stability in the south caucasus has been held in geneva recently and another round is expected in december do these talks bring any feasible results i mean i mean here you just mentioned yourself working in concert i remember how can happen in pristina i was there when people were people making decisions that wouldn't. very much christiane to what was

happening on the ground. as i was see learn from these mysteries. well i wouldn't i wouldn't call the mistake about what i mean what what i would say something that is true which we're talking about improvement yes right when you're operating these rather complex environments when there are issues and where there are positions that the for very very broadly i think what what is needed first of all is a political process to which everybody can engage and that process needs to be handled very carefully of course and this is what we are doing in geneva we are not alone of course we together with the european union with united nations first first of all. the value in the geneva talks is first of all the renewed commitment to everybody to continue the process even though we don't see how can i say dramatic movement. but there is there is

a political. and there are some processes on the ground that allow us to work with the people and to to build connections and create confidence it's it's a work that requires a lot of patience that requires time but there's long as this goes on i think there is a good a good outlook in a way to be able to manage. this issue all the time we still have a couple of minutes and i want to discuss this very very serious topic the the situation in the middle east it really it really threatens the situation in europe and we've been seeing that for who we were within the last of the cleese twelve months especially since september so the september muslim uprising or we're we're we're seeing the real threat from the middle east coming to europe well do you think that the sea should discuss the these issues within the framework of

europeans ation is discussing we have a tool in fact the so-called mediterranean they mention eastern he's part of of the us you're doing them and there would be next week a calm. and single with our military and partners that include among others jordan israel egypt and a number of north african countries. this dialogue is useful because we're looking at the larger issue of the arab spring in a way and we are comparing this with some of the process is that we're going to be with us see went through it meets all transformations in europe and we believe that some of the lessons learned in europe could be useful and also some of the tools we have developed in europe to reform police. also to change for instance election rules of a sort of things to open up societies could be useful also for the arab world and some of these countries are now starting to respond to this and they're asking us

expertise and cooperation it's of course a complicated process and there you see somebody or all of them around the table then you come up also with the political complications like in business of the palestinians with the main of course a sensitive issues of which the o.s.c. cannot even answer in itself for us being a regional organization. and obviously we look at the concerns of developments in the area syria is in no way connected with our process is not a part of it but of course the situation in syria does affect turkey for instance. in aspen i had the summit heads of state of the u.s. see acknowledged that the security of the u.s. see is as they put it inexplicably linked with the security of the three free. my last question may sound a bit philosophical but it may affect both your and my family's you remember out of the u.s. and some muslims film some european groups continued annoying the muslims by

publishing publishing those cartoons and stuff well you know in talking about well this showed us that the fundamental right the freedom to implement. of the freedom of speech can really threaten the the right for security of people do you have an answer how can we cope with that problem there is no easy answer we should like this we are working now for the ministerial doubling in a couple of months on a decision on tolerance and on discrimination i think one of the things we need to work on is. opening more society so that societies that are becoming increasingly multicultural multi-religious and we need to introduce more of a culture of tolerance to towards the difference in the laws those who are different from us and of course in this context we have also to deal with some radical messages and how how we handle them and that's a difficult debate that we're having within the organisation and of course we start

from the premise that. media should be free and there should be freedom of expression. but of course there is always this issue of freedom media versus security which for instance emerges in the discussions we're having on the internet security law cyber security where where do you draw the line and we are really working on a confidence building we're taking a positive approach to thank you thank you very much for being with us in just a reminder that my guest on the show today was lamberto resign your general. and that's it for now from all of us here if you want to have your say on spotlight have someone in mind you think. next time just drop me a line spotlight will be back with more chris no comment on what's going on in and outside russia and so then stay on our team and take care thank you technically thank you very much.

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