i'm alleging that as time goes by and attracts more and more criticism members claim a major reform is needed to keep the. three general. is in moscow these days and the possible reform is among the topics he will talk about with the russian leaders between their official meeting. that's come to r.t. to discuss all these issues with us. i'm using for security and cooperation in europe was created as an east west forum during the cold war after the collapse of the soviet union the o.s.c. transformed into a unique security community which is supposed to prevent conflicts but it has no legislative powers supporters see doesn't advantage they say video we're seeing is a moral authority for its members but critics however say it's no longer capable of resulting crisis russia particularly blames the o.s.c. your being biased against it will be human rights and democracy issues maintains

big musician needs to restructure to restore its official. home mrs andrew thank you very much for being with us thank you mr goodnow glad to have this opportunity it's a pleasure well as i just mentioned in the beginning of the show there's been lots of talk recently reforming the sea and as far as i know it's one of the topics that we had discussions here in moscow with the russian foreign minister lavrov so it is your of those asian really likely to be reforms in the near future because i've been hearing that i mean talk about reform a couple of years and yet when the u.s. seen fact being. consistently through its life it was born as they see a political process. the charter of paris and ninety nine t. transformed it institutionalized that it moved from being this. to the u.s.c.

stored in an organization in istanbul at the summit in one thousand nine there was a charter adopted them the organization equipped itself to live within its new security challenges the more global challenges to security and starting moving in a different direction a couple of years ago or at the summit enough. there was a new concept the surface the concept of a security community we need to flesh out this concept and develop it better and my view there is a need to update the agenda of the organization to yes to introduce a certain element of reform here and there you said you said that the organization has been changing over the years this is true every organisation is changing over the years but since people started talking about the need for rufu or does that mean that something's wrong inside there are those issues can you can you can you prove them i won't say that something is wrong i would say that there are some some

mechanism procedures. and those are some agendas the need to be updated. and this is in my view a bit of a challenge for us because the o.e.c.d. is a very transparent organization you are seeing crudes as you know or all european countries it has a transatlantic dimension because of the rules the north american countries they say you're asian they mention because it includes the central asian and this community which is a very diverse community in itself is going through a phase where perspectives do differ and where you see it that's matter and and you tend to view things in a different light and this is something we perceive within the organization and in our debates very often we do see differences so this is a phase in which i think there is perhaps even more need for an organization like the u.s.c. that being so everybody around the team. well when there is more. there are more

topics to discuss and there is more need to try to develop common but that did that the discussion is also more difficult because of the difference we'll see means our control human rights security elections the cetera there isn't such a wide specialisation hamper the effectiveness of well that's the whole point about the us see us is a security organization security and cooperation is an initial initial and this simply makes it promotes security to what. i would add to the list though you mentioned also the human the economic dimension so we have the human dimension the economic dimension the more political military side and there is work to be done on each of on each of these these areas plus one of the things we have seen over time is that the approach to security has evolved quite significantly we're coming from

a phase where we tended to view security has a serial zero sum game. to a phase where security is addressing global challenges. as you as you did with terry's more traffic if you're successful and if you make progress on that it is progress in the advantage of everybody so you can turn it into a win win game and that's what we're also trying to change and that's the idea of the community doing things together more rather than doing things. looking at each other and try to achieve a balance will despite being in the surely a security organization yossi is widely known for mamma to be active in montreal human rights situation in the former soviet countries the post soviet countries right well do you have any monitoring activity in other go with the member states through example the russian parliament recently held a special meeting on the us human. rights record and pointed out

a number of violations in the human rights in the united states well we don't have we don't specialize in areas even though it is true that we have certain missions on the ground. that are specific mandates and mandates apparent greed with all the participate these days are not imposed on anybody in the agreed with everybody including the host country of those of those missions but otherwise the base that we have. debates that apply to the whole of the organization we discuss death penalty in the us and when we discuss that there are there is a country on the other side of the ocean but it comes into focus along. along with possibly others and so the discussion is open for everybody to contribute to put to the to put on the agenda whatever issue. you know i'm sorry where when you you call the united states the country on the other side of the ocean you're reminded me of harry partch remember the one that there we're not supposed to pronounce his name.

but i am trying not to name any. because well this is very wise for a politician but anyway listen. let's be more specific recently we've got reports that eight american civil rights groups have asked the owner see for help because they are afraid that some seven hundred thousand minorities under the age of thirty would be an illogical to vote in the presidential election has now we see started the this issue have you come to an end decision on the on this we have in east occlusion with the family of the assyrian is asian of the specifically with the human rights and democratic institutions this is called the old dear and it's based in warsaw and the lead among other things deals with with elections and they way they operate is that we do expect and that's basic documents of the organization. the. countries or we call them state participating states that's one of the reforms

or perhaps we should as we move towards being. a more fully fledged organization. do we expect each of them to invite all the to send a team to look at how to proceed in the monitor and election. and this team's approach this team to abuse is an assessment in balogun governmental positional social forces a certain and that's what's been done for every election including the election in the united states and based on these accommodations then in observation team is followed so i mean it is a good service to the action to you there will be there will in service as well as as a matter of fact how how do you cope with the legal restrictions that many countries do have on monitoring their elections from the outside well there is the basis for the for the election seizing the easing the documents of the basic documents of of

the o. a c. and then. they say the assessment teams do in fact themselves observe the situation and they they proceed on the basis of their recommendation they report back including on distinctness they may find so everything that is is. is there will be reported back well i've got to stand is another issue going to stand is facing a political uncertainty as nato is leaving so i guess this also is one of the subjects of your discussions here in moscow what is done to ensure peace stability to afghanistan have to nato will leave the country and i think what we're seeing on afghanistan is a larger mobilization of international community. i've attended myself part of the so-called the stumble process and they. it seems to me we're going in the direction

of giving a strong responsibility to the regional players the countries of the region. to play an important role in. helping ensure stability and a positive development in afghanistan in number of tools needed to. to promote economic development i think economic development would be very important in the future for afghanistan but also to look at the security side of things we the u.s. he plays a dean afghanistan but afghanistan is a partner for the u.s. is he but we're present in all central asian countries with other missions and we are looking at orienting also work while continuing to perform our own mandates and towards the challenges posed by afghanistan to our central asian countries and they will be in a way the drivers of this process themselves and they are looking at this in two ways one is countering the potential challenges stemming from afghanistan especially after two thousand and fourteen and the second these for us to assist

them to better project into afghanistan their policy of assistance. says it lamberto zone year six two general the no west state spotlight move to that shrewdly officer brace so stay where you are will continue this interview unit.

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more news today violence is once again flared up. these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. giant corporations are ruled the day. welcome back to spotlight i am al green i've been just to remind you that my guest on the show today is lamberto the same year sector general of the west see it is on

your list of talking about of ghana stand where nato is going to leave the country and well people care about it becoming a stable you talked about those see ready to solve the economic problems of the country which is a partner for all of us see but. aren't you afraid that we will have to solve not the economic problems but the problems caused by instability new military problems new conflicts that me if you're here in and around afghanistan after nato pulls the troops the economic economic development is important but they don't think this is a major responsibility for an organization like ours and in fact we do focus more on the so-called the transnational threats we focus on border there are some border security. we look at policing we have. in academy to train border guards and we are training afghan attachable biggest weather in the something that is done and we're looking at the expanding some of these programs

incorporation first of all with the authorities of the countries concerned in central asia and with the afghan authorities but also in close cooperation with all other international actors what are the most important threats what do you think firstly drug trafficking and terrorism a new war maybe certainly it's organized. it's the rocks trafficking is certainly a major challenge drugs with crime and they're connected they're obviously can go but they're you know there's also risk of fundamentalism so we need to look also the nomics of the society and all these can affect also the neighboring countries. these are all issues of which we're working and of course not in isolation we're working in partnership with a number of other actors the un first of all well this is also. a matter of great concern of another again as a matter of fact your partner the the the russian led collective security treaty

organisation the c.s.t. oh i know that the c.e.o. and the c.s.t. oh they work together and they and they do have an. experience in post conflict settlement and so what are you working together on of them stand today. in a way the o.c. and then c.s. to your different organizations we're not it made it through the thanks organizational like like c s d oh yes we we are a civilian organisation but the areas where we operate are areas of interest and there are synergies obviously between ourselves and we work on building these synergies with c.s.t. or and with other relevant actors of the same time i met this morning with the future secretary general of the shy guy cooperation organization another organization active in the region and with the with which we want to also build stronger relationships. another huge there are actual issues that worries the russians these days is the situation in georgia as you surely know there's been

parliamentary election and sacrifice release party presidential party has lost the elections so so the power shift is going to see place now so first of all. how do you think this parachute will go will go smoothly is it disturbing him in the future and in and another thing. is that do you think that the the shift of power from one party to another may result in. georgia being sorting trying to seize back the territories they lost during the during the conflict with russia. based on what we're seeing i would that would say so far so good we we saw all the atmosphere before the election extremely polarized we were there monitoring with a large operation we were satisfied that there was a transition of power that took place peacefully and then who is a good result or we would like to think that we also did

a little contribution too but through our own process of monitoring and through this this is strong international presence. what i'm seeing is that seeing for instance from a perspective of our engagement in the geneva negotiations i've seen the representatives of. the new coalition join the georgian delegation they seem to have already know all a constructive positive attitude so i don't see anything that would point to a potential problem in the way things are growing weary even quietly starting. thinking whether the conditions might surface for the u.s. see to return somehow to georgia this is is going to be in any case a complicated negotiation we closed the two thousand and eight and within minutes to reopen since then it would be good if we could because we need also to support some of things we do on the ground the work of the local mechanisms for

prevention of conflict the so-called i p r m some of the water projects we run between georgia and south of the benefit the population at large so we look at continuing and perhaps a better structuring only gauge went on the ground so so so you don't think that the problem of the self-proclaimed state. city and house here may become may become a serious problem on the ground especially especially if a new president comes to rule in that country across the ocean that he may inspire georgia to do to start like. trying to seize them back i don't want to really to speculate on this my attitude when it comes when it comes to this kind of issues and you may have seen from my. professional record i spent three years in kosovo dealing with another complex situation my experience is that it's always best to

look at practical programs engaging with the people on the ground and trying not to focus on the political issues and if the attitude dreaming of this kind if we can continue on this way i'm hopeful that we can have some progress in the end will result in for the stability in that region ok now the twenty first round of an international discussions on security and stability in the south caucasus has been held in geneva recently and another round is expected in december do these talks bring any feasible results i mean i mean you you just mentioned yourself working in concert i remember how i have been in pristina i was there when people were people making decisions that wouldn't. very much correspond to what was happening on the ground. as i was see learn from these mistakes

well i wouldn't i wouldn't call them mistake about what i mean what what i would say a man who would be very mad improvement you know. when you operate in these rather complex environments when there are issues and where there are positions that differ very very broadly i think what what is needed first of all is political process to which everybody can engage and that process needs to be handled very carefully of course and this is what we are doing in geneva we are not alone of course we together with the european union with united nations first first of all. the value in the geneva talks is first of all. the renewed commitment to everybody to continue the process even though we don't see how can i say dramatic movement but but. there is a political. and there are some processes on the ground that allow us to work with the people and to to build connections and create confidence it's

it's a work that requires a lot of patience that requires time but there's long as this goes on i think there is a good a good outlook in a way to be able to manage. this issue all the time we still have a couple of minutes and i want to discuss this very very serious topic the the situation in the middle east it really it really threatens the situation in europe and we've been seeing that for who we were within the last of the least twelve months especially since september so the september muslim uprising or we're we're we're seeing the real threat from the middle east coming to europe well do you think that the embassy should discuss the these issues within the framework of europe is ation is a discussing we have a tool in fact the so-called mediterranean they mention is he's part of of the us you're doing them and there would be next week

a conference involved with the mediterranean partners that include the among others jordan israel egypt and a number of north african countries. this dialogue is useful because we are looking at the larger issue of the arab spring in a way and we are comparing this with some of the process is that there are going to be that the u.s.c. went through it meets all transformations in europe and we believe that some of the lessons learnt in europe could be useful and also some of the tools we have developed in europe to reform police. also to change. for instance election rules of this sort of things to open up societies could be useful also for the arab world and some of these countries are now starting to respond to this and they're asking as expertise and cooperation it's of course a complicated process and there you see somebody or all of them around the table

then you come up also with the political complications like the presence of the palestinians which the main of course are sensitive issues of which the o.s.c. cannot even answer in itself for us being a regional organization. and obviously we look for concerns of developments in the area syria is in no way connected with the process is not about the role but of course the situation in syria does affect turkey for instance. in aspen i had the summit heads of state of the u.s.c. acknowledge that the security of the u.s.c. is as they put it in extra could be linked with the security of this periphery and my last question may sound a bit philosophical but but it may affect both your and my family's you remember out of the innocence of muslims film some european groups continued annoying the muslims by publishing publishing those cartoons and stuff well you know in talking about well this showed us that the fundamental right the freedom implementation of

the freedom of speech can really threaten the the the right for security of people do you have an answer how can we cope with that problem there is no easy answer we should play this we are working now for the mysterious doubling in a couple of months only decision on tolerance of nondiscrimination i think one of the things we need to work on is. opening more society so tight societies that are becoming increasingly multicultural multi-religious and we need to introduce more of a culture of tolerance to towards the difference the laws those who are different from us and of course in this context we have also to deal with some. nicol messages and how how we handle them and that's a difficult debate that we're having within the organization and of course we start from the premise that. media should be free and they shouldn't freedom of expression. but of course there is always this issue of free in the media versus

security which for instance emerges in the discussions we're having on internet security law cyber security where where do you draw the line and we are really working on the confidence building we're taking. a positive approach to thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest on the show today was lamberto resign your secretary general. and that's it for now from all of us here if you want to have your say on spotlight have some in mind we think we know why next time just drop me a line spotlight will be back with more comments on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay on our team and take care thank you because going to remember.

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