half past the hour now and moscow some of russia's most radical political groups were out in force sunday from diehard nationalist are right fascists in dozens of cities tens of thousands joined marchers chanting against immigration israel islam and all things foreign lucy café novels are keeping an eye on the moscow crowds. the slogans and the messages that we've been hearing from the crowd behind me is that russia for russians only they want the flag of the russian order they're basically demanding jobs for russians whatever that means and they're also pushing to repeal the law part of the russian president laws that actually punishes hate crimes motivated by religious hatred nationalist and that that patron so it's. the

message of national unity that probably doesn't sit well with a large chunk of the population now there are some reports about six thousand people in the crowd the permit is for about ten thousand people but for some massive police presence here as well the protest seems to be largely peaceful although we've also heard reports about twenty five people wearing black clothes with the swastika shouting slogans they've been detained in another part of the city center here in moscow now we have to keep in mind that this is the play of swastikas is of course banned in a russia as well as many european countries similar types of rallies have been taking place across russia and we've heard of another report of about ninety people detained in the urals city if you can see the import of her taking part of an unauthorized nationalist rally there now the police say that most of those people were teenagers again a rather disturbing sight frankly we've seen a lot of national. sort of icons from the church which i guess is the symbol of some of the people here as well as some reports of people actually chanting long

live and there's a brave person far right extremists present massacred seventy seven people in norway. spain in the middle east prime ministers this week deny that they're on the verge of asking for a ballot in madrid monday the two leaders also criticizing germany's plan for an e.u. body to police national budgets and punish those with large deficits both italy and spain are in severe recessions with record unemployment and have seen massive protests over spending cuts the spanish leader did admit though that his country may need to bail out sometime in the future euro economies you have been over. thinks the cash would come at the cost of independence. it's one of two things you either have to accept the fact that you will lose sovereignty. or you will have major problems in terms of the continuity of this monetary union so if you need money it's in a vital that those who lend you the money starts interfering with your policies so

it may sound a little bit brutal or maybe a little bit undemocratic but that's the way things work if you really are in need of that much money for that long period of time it's in a vital that you give up some of your sovereign and as a matter of fact to make this monetary union work in a structural and durable way every state involved in this euro zone in this monetary union in europe will have to accept this principle. the e.u.'s main players are set to square up to britain calling on it to decide if it really wants to stay part of the club this after this week's losing for prime minister david cameron his own m.p.'s turned on here and sided with the opposition in a vote urging a cut to the yearly payments to fund the e.u. deputy prime minister warned the political rebellion could see britain isolated within the block but cameron's conservatives are using it to push for the people to

choose whether to. speak. with an inflation increase only budget would equate to an extra three hundred million pounds a year and that would increase over the multi annual budget up to two thousand and twenty in a time when u.k. families are having to make very difficult often painful decisions with the household budgets local councils doing the same and even our own national government here in the u.k. i think it is absolutely right to expect the european union to try and trim some of its very large budget and i think it's politically smart all the government to actually be in touch with public opinion georgy people in the united kingdom but never how to say our relationship with europe we need a referendum this side of the general election in this parliament and let democracy reign and let the british people have their voice heard. and staying with britain trying to buy a home or set up a business is a tough task but with the big banks having seized up and keeping the cash to

themselves not everyone's going to let their community grind to a halt laura smith has been to meet the one man bank. oh thank you to follow up thank you dave fyshwick is a cheeky northern charmer he made his fortune selling minibuses in his hometown as burnley but instead of fancy holidays and expensive cars when the credit crisis hit dave wanted to give something back so he decided to open a bank this late two thousand and eight early two thousand and nine my mini. me to get funded for their bosses as they are done for the last fifteen years but overnight that just stopped the banks just stopped lending to the to the customers and i'm thinking of a done something wrong have they made a mistake of that up at the gas bill electric bill or form bill you know it's not the people that are the problem it's the banks that have the problem try thought arland of them so that's what it bank on dave he says although thanks to extensive

red tape he's not actually allowed to call himself a bank and he's keen to differentiate himself from banks in other ways too he offers five percent on savings and he lends that money out to his local community and no bonuses any profits go to charity in our state. there just isn't a day in every town more's the pity so his isn't a model which could be rolled out nationwide in its current form but financial experts say lessons can be learnt for a healthier banking system one point is clear and this is a point that the bank makes in a way is that banking has just moved too far away from its roots and its basic need to understand. saving which has been. mad rush where highly leveraged games over the last six. days ultimate goal is to bring banking back to its roots no more faceless conglomerates where computers and

mavericks make the decisions and the one percent. pockets unimaginable bonuses instead local banks for local people run by the community to benefit the community it's not a new idea in fact it's how banking used to be before the mega box and mega banks stepped in and dave starting to get some political support you have to take save us money and invest it in real productive activity to take responsibility for doing it which is not the way that banking currently works in his core. kind of crazy way showing the way to a better banking system which is responsible. in touch with entrepreneurship which actually could be the basis for going forward there's certainly got to be some way forward as wave after wave of scandal hits the financial sector banking on dave and others like him looks more and more attractive one of the same people who robbed

banks go to person banks who real people get paid bonuses that has to stop laura smith r.t. birmingham. turning now to some other stories making international headlines now at least ten refugees who drowned in the mediterranean on their way from north africa to italy the boat carrying eighty people was heading to the island of lampedusa a destination for thousands of migrants seeking refuge in europe reports indicate that more than fifteen hundred people died last year while trying to reach italy. a grenade attack on a church in kenya has killed one police officer wounding fourteen others mostly also security officers the country in the wider region and suffered a wave of similar deadly attacks in response to ten u.s. sending troops to neighboring somalia to battle al qaeda linked insurgents there in july eighteen people died in church attacks in the same town as sunday's assault.

an eleven year old child is dead eighteen other people injured after a car bomb targeting a police vehicle exploded in turkey the blast topping your wedding celebration in the town of sendin really the surrounding region frequently hit by acts of violence carried out by the kurdistan workers party which is fighting for autonomy in turkey southeast no group has claimed responsibility yet for the attack coming up r.t. speaks with a political analyst and sociologist giat goldstone who explains how the e.u. and us could get back on the path of economic growth stay with us. the sun rises over what seems like and lost forest but here in the new directions crime hundred kilometers north of light of all stalk as in much of the world it's disappearing at a catastrophic rate. bloggers

both illegal and those finding ways to outsmart the system for filing down the forest of the more skewed region for them profit goes well beyond the future of our planet and the result could be an ecological crisis the world wildlife fund for nature makes regular trips to help local rangers do what little they can to stop the logging but it's not easy lager set up trucks making them hard to reach in an already rough terrain and have mastered ways to jump through legal loopholes this is a nature reserve we're only sanitary logging of disease trees is allowed according to law and not a single berry can be picked but loggers like this use their sanitary logging permit to cut down absolutely healthy trees and sell the profitable timber over the border in china we are on the hunt for illegal loggers and it's not going to be easy to forests or is in our chances are slim now for now we can stay in our dreams

but as soon as we find solid tracks we'll have to drop our wheels and get out silently in order not to scare the loggers off alexander someone in ca has been a ranger for over twenty five years he can spend weeks at a time tracking a single group of loggers it's easier to work when snow falls in autumn it's impossible to find human tracks and even transport tracks are hard to see after hours of driving we get sent in the right direction by word of mouth you can see that the ground is soft here which means that they have twelve tractor trails are very fresh which in fact means that we need to be quite. in order to not scare them off as we get closer. this team says they're illegal but have no documents now xander can now call the police to take over his work here is the done he is overwhelmingly outnumbered there are too few rangers working in the promote the region and the w w f says the government isn't doing enough to stop it

i guess the government now is a start of that here for more whole forest legislation so assumes the bells and so on we've got the new forest court and according to. every forest of the guys in waltham in the in the forest to the still these forest courts still doesn't work just. as no one tries to stop them in just five years the force will be gone they'll sell it all to china what will the people who live afterwards do but it's a question more and more people are aware of today climate change in the safety of our environment as a whole are being discussed around the world and perhaps it's those small steps that might be a start to people living in harmony with nature. falls fifteen goods. to the counts. forty kilograms of rice one

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lynn. toler a. little. a little. jack goldstone a us writer around sociologist specializing in many things including global population trends and also the cultural origins of economic growth it's great to have you with us sir today thank you now even before the you were inception some skeptics were coming. and putting out arguments on why the euro wouldn't function and decides to economic arguments to were also saying the cultural differences were the huge problem between the different states saying that labor habits are different spending and saving practices are different and many other reasons so how much of all of this is actually playing in to the economic and political divide

that we're seeing right now in the european union the euro was invented really as part of a program to overcome nationalism where nationalism is perhaps an excessive attachment to some of those cultural differences that you mentioned the problem with the euro i don't think lies in the cultural differences it lies in the lack of a unified institutional framework for banking and financial decision making but have has the problems with the euro now magnified the cultural differences and the problems in country cultural differences as well unfortunately when you have an economic crisis and national politicians try and find a solution it's always tempting to try and find a solution that respects the cultural differences because those are often the strongest feelings that people have in a crisis there are two ways to go with regard to the current euro crisis one is to build institutions for a european banking supervisor and

a european financial administration and european leaders are working on these the other direction to go is to emphasize the differences among european countries and try and tailor the way the euro functions to respond to those differences. there will be some of that because we're seeing deals with spain and with greece we saw deals with ireland and portugal all of that does respond to those feelings of cultural difference but i think in the long run the whole goal of the euro. is to minimize the impact of those cultural differences on people's standard of living and on their financial environment a couple of questions arise right away talking a little bit more on cultural differences yes we see different european leaders work on a common solution to save the year or to save the unity of the european union but still it seems so heart to find an agreement is specially if we see how germany is

reacting to greece and how the u.k. is opposing the e.u. financial policies for example so is it lack of trust or is it yet once again the cultural differences that really come in the way of their finding the common solution there are cultural differences but they're not just european national differences if that was the only issue then the united states as one nation would be able to solve its policy problems by agreeing on a solution as you know the united states right now is very divided between republicans and democrats who have different ideas about how to solve our economic problems and so very little is getting done in europe germans have a belief that the way to solve the problems is by more saving and more fiscal discipline the southern european countries believe the way to go forward is to promote economic growth and not worry so much at this moment about the debt those

differences are very similar to those between american democrats and american republicans well from the latest of french president francois hollande has said that europe must advance at several speeds so some believe that we would be seeing the inevitable the emergence of the two tariq europe i think there is a possibility i've written about that myself at the moment the levels of productivity in different european countries are large one can compensate for that . with a unified set of financial structures but then that will take time for those structures to overcome the differences the instant way to say ok we have differences in productivity let's have a marked difference in the financial system for different countries and that would require splitting the euro whether it's a two tier system or a different access system or even perhaps in some extreme cases

a return to national currencies i don't you've been bringing up the united states a lot we are going to have presidential well we are going to have presidential election in the us and yes we are. domestic economy very much in focus at this point and although the united states economy is exposed to europe when you look at it willy hasn't taken a toll on it as much as one would expect why is that they don't obama just get plain lucky well i don't want to argue about whether obama is lucky or not there's a lot of evidence that he is unlucky and there is a lot of evidence that he has good luck we'll find out which is true when the election actually occurs but as regards the american economy the obama administration spent a lot of money on stimulus indeed if you look at net spending in the united states it has been much stronger since the onset of the recession in two thousand and seven than in most european countries european countries have been living according

to their belief in austerity so they have reduced government spending and they have raised taxes the united states was not able to raise taxes and did increase government spending now there's an argument about which is the best approach to restore growth i really believe what the american experience shows is that you shouldn't raise taxes during a recession you should increase government spending and the reason european countries have had greater trouble is they have done what i think shouldn't be done they followed a cost. the policy before the recession was over i remember president obama got a great deal of criticism in the very beginning when he actually went for the stimulus packages and for the injection of stimulus and to the american economy but then again and it worked out like you said it worked out better than it did in europe but then again can the measures that are taken to. fix the american

economy be taken in europe going to say measures fix here as well or you do you do need to have different approaches because it is two different things still there are different things europe essentially has a double problem they have how do we get southern european and northern european economies to move in the same direction and for that i think the answer is don't pursue austerity pursue growth and then there's a second problem of once countries are all moving in the same direction can you fix the european financial system and create united structures so that this problem doesn't appear again as it may appear in the next economic difficulty if the current division among national financial systems isn't isn't fixed as the author of the over book on global population trends you have argued that the most important thing is really the distribution of population now that the rich

economies are really out of steam and the global economic crisis god knows how long it will stay around will these sick commie sexually capable of observing. even new scores of immigrants as they were for the last century well i think there's a third adjustment that europe has to make aside from responding to the existing crisis and improving the unity of financial structure and that is europe has to adjust to the reality of zero population growth. europe after all was the fastest growing part of the world for much of the nineteenth century and even into the twentieth century and yet we're looking at a twenty first century in which most european countries will have very little or no population growth that means the structure of welfare health care pensions housing all is going to have to change now i am seeing very hopeful signs in many european

countries that they recognize becoming more open to immigration and doing a better job of integrating the recent immigrants that they already have are going to be very important for restoring economic growth so i don't think there's a choice there i just think it's a question of how soon does europe accept the reality that its population needs to be supported by immigration and that that's going to provide more of a benefit not a threat keeping in mind everything that you've sat and if everything goes by your scenario. and america's still today being the best places on earth to leave according to living standards. will they be america and europe be able to sustain their living standards like they are today i think they'll be able to sustain them to a good degree because they have the technology and the capital but it will take sensible economic policies if europe and the us continue to spend way too much on.

public benefits like pensions and don't pay enough attention to research and education to raise the productivity of future workers then things will decline so there is the risk that we got it wrong on the other hand there's no reason that european and american people and companies won't profit from the growth that takes place in places like china and india it's already a global economy so i think the prospects are good but let me also. say even though a place like shanghai or mumbai may not be as rich as london or paris they have their own attractions being at the center of something new and exciting and growing fast can be just as attractive as being in a place like zurich that has a lot of old but stable well jack goldstone thank you very much to you pleasure to be here thank you very much.

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