welcome to the capital account mr. welcome back to our tease coverage of the twenty twelve presidential election i'm christine and i'm tom arbonne at this our polling stations of the following states are scheduled to close arizona colorado kansas louisiana michigan is minnesota nebraska new mexico new york south dakota texas wisconsin and wyoming now there's a few things to keep in mind about this first of all some of these states actually have some new polling places that stay open later but in

a whole lot of other states virginia being one of them the polling stations were scheduled to close at seven pm we're told there are still people in the line there so the turnout today immense you know some people are saying larger than they could have possibly expected some of these places these are the times that they were scheduled to close as they didn't they weren't quite able to but folks we're getting closer and closer to that time of night when we could start to see a shift or see which way some of these races are shifting so where does the race for the white house stand at nine pm eastern time let's bring back our election night analyst sam sax a sam ok so let's look at where the map is right now there really isn't too much to report the battleground states have closed a lot of the battleground states have closed but we're not getting results yet all the states you see right now in the red here in the blue for president obama these are all expected no big surprises here in the electoral college stands it is.

seventy eight there were no surprises here it did a few interesting things here pennsylvania president obama had thought that pennsylvania was getting more comfortable in his side that is still too close to call and on the romney side north carolina that's a state that they were confident that they were to graph that's still too close to call then let's talk about some of these senate races because really the senate is extremely important republicans have talked about how if they take control the senate with fifty one votes reconciliation to pass everything and there's twelve states really close states up for grabs here republicans need to win eight of them so far we don't have results for most of what we do have results from one of them and that's in connecticut in connecticut we have this is an open seat this was a this was belonged to joe lieberman an independent here joe lieberman retired he was kind of a thorn in the side of democrats for the last few years and chris murphy is going to win this seat for the democrats so you know the democratic party shifts a little bit more to the left in the senate and that leaves eleven close races still in republican have to win eight of those to control the senate to continue

keep these updated as well as all the other battleground states left christine tom back to you right. now to take a closer look at everything going on tonight joining us is democratic strategist erica community and marc harrold libertarian commentator attorney and author erica mark want to thank you guys so much for joining us. so we just got the update and some of these polling stations closing in around nine pm do these numbers say anything at this point mark not really no real surprises looks like it's going to be a later night than we may have thought virginia saying they were right this is unconfirmed stay open pretty late with the voting the whole lot of people in line and some problems in florida and ohio but no real surprises yet i don't think the map is any surprises so far it looks like indiana kerry johnson's do it fairly well in the end it may have an outcome and will see what happens in colorado but bottom line i haven't seen anything real surprising you had i think the fun part still to come and i really. i've got family down in the right accounting which is one of the

suburban counties outside of richmond which is one of the counties that are republican the term in the race or. maybe they're in or for cain and people who are in line still at eight o'clock in the polls are closing so i think it's not a surprise in terms of particular also turnout we expect to turn out to be not necessarily two thousand and eight numbers but we may actually see that i mean that quite a bit of turnout in places polls having to stay open longer than expected i think probably i would say i would say that florida the nelson race was expected to be a little bit closer than it looks like it's going to be and i think maybe one interesting piece to kind of look at is linda mcmahon has been a large cell funder and so you know kind of a lessons there on having somebody who is a self funder and running for the senate two years in a row that poured millions and millions and millions of dollars and still didn't quite you know hit the mark and so there may be some interesting stuff there later on has become to see what the actual numbers and being in which counties she tried

to pull a curly and a back for her and it ended up being an early period exactly i would i would take exception with something you know the kind of the conventional wisdom we're all dancing around which is gee there's going to be long lines june it's going to take a long time if you look at ohio in two thousand and four you had people waiting in line in largely african-american minority districts largely democratic leaning districts college districts you had people waiting in line until midnight one o'clock two o'clock in the morning and just going on and on and on in two thousand you had a republican secretary of state republicans were deciding where the voting machines go who gets how many in two thousand and eight you had a democratic secretary of state democrats were deciding who gets what and where and in republican districts people could vote in fifteen minutes in democratic districts people could vote in fifteen minutes there was no crisis whatsoever in ohio two thousand and eight no we're seeing again winds that may last until one am in ohio in florida in virginia i would say that this isn't you know business as usual this is a. a voting machine problem this isn't even

a turnout issue this is evidence of voter suppression of a crime against democracy curious your thoughts on this and i will say that i think one of the interesting thing that we're seeing from ohio is a higher had a very successful early vote turnout in two thousand and eight and there was a lot of issues that went to court over the early vote parameters this year and i think that what we're seeing and probably some of the kind of the little bit smoother sailing for people is also allowing people who work and cannot stand in line for four hours the opportunity to go in on a sunday or the opportunity to go and do it in fifteen minutes and walk out you know have it locked up a week prior and i think that that has actually been one of the most important things to helping encourage people to vote i do absolutely believe that voter id laws and i've been malicious and have been you know and a lot of the ones that you know would have suppressed the vote but i do think that there is a real great case here to be made for the importance of early voting and the opportunity it provides but isn't polling i mean aren't you explaining the

mechanics of the of the larger mechanism that i was just describing i mean the mechanical way that they did it by and large was cutting back on a number of really voting hours but it's still voter suppression is this not a it is is it not if somebody has to stand in line for four or five hours that's a poll tax essentially i don't know what it is worth money i just about walk markets are here libertarian time is money time to get this is the time is money i don't you know i've i've heard a lot of reports out of florida for even four and five hours to vote i applaud anybody who vote which to vote that long is certainly you know democracy in action if you wait both way to vote that long you know what we've seen is types of suppression it's not just now it we've seen ballot access suppression all the way through we've seen the third party situation i don't mind if you've got two parties running everything then one of those two parties is going to be running your secretary of state's office or you know if you had more parties involved it would help states you have like you have in the pentagon absolutely non partisan our friends as you do but there's still a lot of politics of all of you usually talking about a secretary of state when we see dispute. things like we saw in florida in two

thousand there is going to be a partisan secretary of state in almost every case that's involved in that ultimate issue like we saw in bush v gore but bottom line here i don't know enough i can't say that there's actually a conspiracy or the problems of somebody waiting in line for five hours absolutely nobody should have to wait that long i think there are alternatives that we can do i know virginia doesn't have the early voting i had to vote first thing i got there about four fifteen in the morning to make sure i'd be able to vote and get on my way but a lot of people can't do that a lot of people have more responsibility than i do they talk to coworkers of mine today who were disheartened that they didn't think as they looked at their day having to be at work having to be home having to take care of their children they really didn't think they're going to be able to vote and that's unfortunate shouldn't be the reason you don't vote and mark you were talking earlier about gary johnson let's talk about their party candidates i think it's important is this something our team last night hosted a third party debate the final one a night before the election with dr jill stein and gary johnson of course people are saying that virgil goode in virginia could have an impact in that state talk a little bit about mark the role of the third party this time around this twenty

tough election it's been important those debates were important there's a lot of things that were talked about when you see the debates between the parties they're somewhat scripted but there are some they're not scripted as to every word but they're scripted they get together decide what seemed to me ask it's a vacuum concept and it's basically a rolling press conference a sort of talking point we've seen things like the drug war in a privacy issues in those third party debates last night's debate was great all those third party debates were great they're very important because the debates when you have the two parties together first of all the foreign policy debate between the two candidates is very boring as there is almost nothing different between them i think third party candidates we would have seen more on climate change global warming these sorts of things wasn't mentioned number climate change wasn't on the immigration wasn't on the table either and there's issues but the difference is that when you have third parties in there it's not just that they give different answers to the same questions when third parties in their mix they change the questions they broaden the scope because one of the reasons third parties exist is because there are issues that are a few. every report some people have that one issue and it falls with the third

party that maybe drug legalization maybe mass incarceration whatever it is but what we see there is those third parties are important i think we will see in our lifetimes maybe not the presidential election we're going to see that third party thing we may see it with gary johnson in indiana in colorado we just don't know yet i think it's really important point that you make not just getting these candidates faces out there not just getting their names which frankly a lot of people have no idea who rocky anderson is it is about getting these differing ideas out here these very important pieces of legislation like the national defense authorization act actually come up for a question in a debate and that's in happened the other day. it's very true and in fact in virginia we were just talking about this virgil goode he he has taken the constitution party right exactly right now with the forty four percent of the vote reporting in virginia has eight thousand six hundred twenty seven votes for tenths of one percent so he's not even pulling a half a percent and gary johnson's point eight percent he has eleven thousand votes so

it's not clearly that the third party candidates are having an influence like for example ralph nader was said in florida in two thousand it's still debatable i don't want to get into it but rather that they have an influence on the debate itself isn't that the international discussion really and i don't i think i think it's you know short changing kind of taking it the easy road out to say that they're spoilers that you know ralph nader was a spoiler or that ross perot was a spoiler and i do agree that they fought with trying to triangulation has always been a force of a much different dynamic of conversation than kind of two sides in a back and forth which you know can kind of have a time like i don't talk about climate change you don't talk about on the chance ok we're cool whereas you know the third person can really kind of shake that up i think that it is there is a lot of frustration out there with with parties and with not having the conversation that people want not having an honest dialogue feeling again talking points and. so i think there you know having

a kind of an additional person to kind of focus on we're going to throw your support behind in particular in a very very close election this really could get different it could make a difference and it's time for our for your proportional representation it's. your thoughts on this don't believe in wasting your vote i happen to agree that if you always if you feel this way if you don't feel this way that your candidate great but a lot of people are going to vote because they want their vote to count they don't want to be their votes to get lost with someone they know can't factually when i don't believe in that i think that if you always vote for the lesser of two evils that's all you're ever going to have in an election so i think people should get out and vote it's not a wasted vote if you believe that i understand the difference i've heard a lot of people say well i live in a swing state i'm not i'm going to vote for one of the two can if i live in a state that i know which way it's going to go i'm going to throw the vote that way i think you need to try to get the five percent like was there but i think third party candidates are on the rise i think that people do want different ideas i think that a lot of times people do go and look at that ballot and think i don't really love either one of these candidates but i want to pick the one so i don't mind

a systematic change would really need to happen something massive in order to see this change but at the same time important that we have these discussions erica and mark i want to thank you so much and thank you we'll be right back. here is mitt romney trying to figure out. of that thing that the american. guys. want to feature. the prez. google is.

going to distract us from what you and i should care about because they're a profit driven industry that sells us sensationalistic garbage he calls it breaking news i'm out to martin and we're going to break that. welcome to the capital i'm lauren lyster. what drives the world the fear of growing

use by politicians who makes decisions to break through that sort of being made who can you trust no one who is you and with the global machinery to see where we had a state controlled capital so it's called sash when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more. welcome back chris christie. and just a quick update at least one of the networks imus n.b.c. apparently is projecting and sylvania for obama and enough house races have you know enough of the results are in that it's quite clear that the house is going to remain in republican hands which i think produces an interesting conversation let's

get back i don't think that's a surprise though to anyone as erica community democratic strategist was just saying they didn't expect it to pick up more than four of those races certainly they had a twenty something twenty five i think the echo of the tea party is still with us the question is a ghost the question is is it going to freeze up the house of representatives like it has over the last two years so i think it's a good question let's talk now to our panel discussion now with eric burns co-founder and partner of both fight strategies as well as vince call and he is a senior online editor at the daily caller thanks fellas for joining us absolutely . so we've been talking sort of about the results of what we've been hearing and what it all means so if in fact again this is just m s n b c are projecting that pennsylvania has in fact gone for president obama what does this mean. we all would say that some entirely unexpected pennsylvania. no for president obama if

he's going to support that at all it would seem that if i were in the president's camp right now that i would i would be fairly pleased that things are kind of going as planned for them their numbers seem to be strong. is that they need to be winning so. pretty please to be. pennsylvania i mean that's that's a big deal that obama takes pennsylvania but i don't think democrats expected it to be close going into this i mean in the past week or so it began to seem like there was a chance for republicans to take it assuming the m.s.n. b.c. projections right that is going to be a big blow for the romney campaign but there's still a lot more at play and at stake right now for genia of course north carolina ohio is what everybody's watching and especially between virginia and ohio if if one separate sort of doubt and florida yes and florida one of those three states really gets sorted out i think we'll know who the next president of states is going to well if that information about pennsylvania is accurate i can tell you one guy

who's pretty happy tonight david axelrod who said he would shave his mustache off if you lost if obama lost pennsylvania he was not sure. that you don't have to see the votes. he's out of a forty area. so you know i want to talk about the economy because i think that no matter what you know whether you're democrat or republican this really was issue number one a little different you know this time around than four years ago but i'm curious what you guys think pacifically about the economy was most important to voters this year and well i guess we'll see based on who wins this race but we do know based on exit polling across the board people continue to say the economy was number one i would say i would think that obama going into this appeared to have a meeting going into the entire presidential race had the toughest case to make because he's overseeing an economy where he's added a lot of deaf dad he wasn't able to cut the deficit in half like he said he would he was he got to a point where the economy just wasn't moving in his. actually but if the american

people real like them and they continue to say that the economy is their number one concern and that means that his sales pitch worked which is. slowing the course of failure and moving us in the right direction then that's what obama's case is going to be i we were i would obviously take issue with the characterization of slow is slow in the course of failure look corporate the reality is corporate profits are higher than they've ever been with a steady projected path of growth it is not as aggressive as folks want and people are frustrated with the country but i do think that ultimately folks really did on you know for whatever reason understand the person was ever able to make his argument and or candidate romney was not able to close his or get to that he could do a better job people i think understand that the economy is in recovery that we are going in the right direction and that the change course is at this point you know i think he's not nervous interest but i will say one thing to recall about obama's campaign is it is is how he was capable of campaign what he did was he divided that

he truly divided the country up into sections that i'm only going to campaign to these people and he sort of ironic he saw it and what he did was he split the electoral map and said look i'm going to convince minorities single women that romney hates them but he doesn't have the richest at heart at all and i think the army was doing that for him actually i was just reading it and then i don't have a republican look at him and that's running for senate you have children are not taken and i brought this discussion to the forefront which meant that the economy got the back burner well absolutely and i think you know critically you know especially talk about the war on women which i think has been very very real and it's brought to life you know i think a rather antiquated platform from the g.o.p. towards women's toward women and women's rights here you look at the male voters romney's need to do very very well especially with white male voters and i don't think that he's been able to make the case in part because romney himself has been so inconsistent. we don't really know that room this has been one thing one moment

something else in another moment and that just has not changed i don't i mean that certain point any person of your conscience you know it's a really take pause just ask all the guys who are running against him in the primaries. but i will i mean i don't know i guess you truly feel that way because it's election night and all the polls are closed so you don't have anything else but to say what your what your thoughts on your mind but i find it hard to believe i mean you know republicans have been pigeonholed by the demick democrats who decided look we're going to say there's a war on women we're going to insist that we're going to make that fact relevant and what's happened was the effect of course is that nobody really talks about abortion as an issue related to children anymore that conversation is totally off the table and it's totally been about republicans or it's more here is you know. rape and childbirth. intended by gun.

rights these are women's rights it's not all about children and about choice and to women and that's a conversation that's been happening we can definitely tell you this conversation for quite a long time that we are out of time eric her and then thanks so much for joining us it's going to take you. two point two million that's the number of u.s. jobs that were outsourced last year. fifty three that's the percentage of americans manufacturing sector that's been shipped overseas these stark numbers only begin to tell the tale of the war on labor that's engulfed america over the past several years we have become a nation where cheap labor is the name of the game and anything that stands in the way of that like organized labor has to be eliminated all across this nation corporations are doing everything they can to pad their bottom lines at the expense of workers rights take for example the situation at this insanity technology in freeport illinois side is owned by mitt romney's brainchild company bain capital

the start of the things to loans a good chunk of it and all of the free port operations are being outsourced to china producing more profit for mitt romney by the way leaving hundreds of americans unemployed and struggling to survive this story is just one glimpse of what's happening all across this nation state by state city by city as corporate america rears its ugly head at the expense of working class people well for more on all of this let's bring in stuart a coup for labor organizer also author of the book playing bigger than you are a life in organizing is out now when i thank you so much for joining us great thank you it's a great it's great to be here great to see my friend says always. thank you for the great job you're doing tonight thank you it's obvious that the average corporation cares more about padding the bottom line than the corporate. in the working class to what extent can and. i think there's a strong argument to be made that before the reagan revolution the average american

understood the prosperity for this country comes out of the middle class and reagan literally changed that paradigm and for the last thirty years there's been this belief that there's these job magical job creators out there and they and that it does for prosperity comes from do you see a change in that. yes i do and i think we're going to work very hard to make that change in the. the truth of the matter is we've had thirty five years of wage stagnation that's when we can't get out of this recession people don't have enough buying power there's not enough consumer demand to get us out of this because we basically had our wages frozen for thirty five years borrowing against our mortgages is what caused the housing crisis are part of what caused the housing crisis to make up the difference make a difference in in rising costs and and stagnant wages not to mention

the what it does to our social fabric fabric because mom and dad aren't home when the kids get home and mom and dad can't play the role that kids need their parents the play. but the real point tonight is this was supposed to be the breakthrough year for the radical right wing they had citizens united hundreds of millions billions of dollars they had the assault on workers' rights and unions in every state that workers and unions needed to win for a progressive democrat to win a federal election. we have over the last two years held our own are one of those workers' rights battles in those states and we have held our own against citizens united and i think we are going to see a resurgence now i do think organized labor has to change we have to embrace

different forms of organization we've got to have a fight about wage and equality that that involves everybody not just union members . and you know tomorrow. after i write my little blog about what happened tonight we're going to get busy on how do we develop a campaign a movement. that addresses the big economic issues in america wage inequality access to collective bargaining where the money goes rolling back to after rolling back to have to thank you and see what i spent some time sorry in wisconsin recall election for scott walker obviously this happened during obama's time in office. the role of unions completely connected in so many ways to the economy when you talk about wages when you talk about jobs and when you talk about the outsourcing so i guess i just want to get your take on now that unions has come

back into the conversation so much what is it you know a fair bit during this campaign what do you think you know the role what role to play in this election well for one thing it will lead us to build mobilization structure early so we began in wisconsin two years ago because we had to we want to be victories that we didn't get credit for because we didn't recall the governor but we called two senators for the first time in history. we kicked the governor of ohio but. two to one. over his omnibus union busting bill made. a proud man made him very well at least for a minute. and again it allowed us to reach to build our mobilization structure there to prepare for this election and i think with all due respect to the previous commentators or pundits let me just say. working people

understand what romney did it being capital and that was destroyed jobs and outsourced jobs for the first time since l.b.j. obama is talking about reinvigorating manufacture and it's and it's a huge big deal legendary labor organizers. so much for him to. just say thank you. while we're getting more and more numbers coming in and we will report them to you next right after this break.

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