in the fighting so we work to win this war how would you reconcile with your people after everything that has happened just be. again more precise the problem between me and the people i don't have a problem with people could be united states is against me the west is against me many countries including turkey which is not of course against me if the peoples of the syrian people are against me how can it be there nothing against you here and after you instead of the whole mood lift a big part of the world including your people against you are you surprised that you are just a human being so this is not political so it's not about because the people if papa baba conservation between the syria and the syrian don't have civil war it's there is a support coming from abroad to support terrorist to destabilize syria but this is a war you still believe it's a civil war because i know that there's a lot of except for terrorism which everyone believes takes place in syria there's

also a lot of confession based strife for example we all heard about the mother who has two sons one son is fighting for the government forces another one is fighting for the rebel forces how is this not a civil war you have division but division doesn't mean civil war is completely different civil war should be based on if medical problem or sectarian problem sometimes you may stick with medical pension and pension doesn't mean problem so if you have division in the same family or in a bigger tribe or to avoid the same city doesn't include the scope really different and that's more you can we should expect that when i asked about reconciling with your people this is what i meant and heard you say on many different occasions that the only thing you care about is what syrian people think of you and what you are people feel towards you and what you should be president or not are just great that at the end of the day because there's been so much damage done to the country that they won't care about the truth but they will just blame. you. know this is

a political question because what the people think is the right thing so what they think we have to to ask them but i don't have this information right now so again i'm not afraid about what they think about me comparable country we have to be focused on that ok you know for years there has been so many stories about almighty syrian army only quoting syrian secret services but then we see that you know the government forces aren't able to question me like. people expected it would and we see terrorist attacks take place in the middle of damascus almost every day. where the myths about the syrian army and about the strong syrian secret services usually when you have on you when you have secret intel you know things should focus on external enemy not internal any even if you have in the internet maybe like terrorism. you have a society that could help you at least not to provide terrorists with in could be

to in that case it's a new kind we have a new kind of war terrorism through proxies either syrians living in syria or for in a fighters coming from abroad so it's a new style before this is first so you have to adapt with this new started it takes time if not these days and to save this is easier than normal or let's say traditional or regular war no it's much more difficult thickened the support that they've been had that's been offered to go through with every aspect of once money political is unprecedented so you have to expect that it's going to be tough for him and difficult for you don't you don't expect a small country go through you have to defeat all those countries but been fighting us through proxies just in days or weeks here because when you look at it i mean on one hand you have. one leader with the army he tells his army go straight go you

have to go right and the army will be on the other hand you have fractions of terrorists who have no one to unify them no unified strategy to fight you so how does that really happen when it comes to fighting each other this is not aspect of the problem that both fighting from within the cities in the cities you have civilians when you when you fight these kind of terrorists you have to be aware that. you don't you should do the minimal minimum damage to the infrastructure and minimal damage to civilians because you have civilians and you have to fight you cannot leave there is just killing and destroying so this is the difficulty in these kinds of for. the infrastructure military infrastructure economy suffering it's almost as if like syria is going to fall into decay very soon and that time is against you in your opinion how much time do you need to crush the enemy you cannot so that's

a question because no one claimed. about when to do to end the war unless we have the answer when they're going to stop smuggling foreign fighters from different part of the world specially with the middle east and the word and we're going to stop. sending our woman's to those terrorists if they stop this is working i can answer your continuing weeks you can finish everything if the big problem as long as you have continuous supply. and all moments and everything else and logistics is going to be. and also when you think about it you have four thousand kilometers of loosely controlled borders or you have your enemy that can at any time cross over jordan or turkey to rearm get medical care and come back to fight you exactly actually exactly where no country in the world came feel the border from them to you with this world which is not correct. when the united

states cannot see this border with mexico for example maybe the same for russia which is the be country so not complete cane who the border you can only have better but the situation on the border when you have a good relation with your neighbors something that we don't have at least thirteen of turkey's support more than any other country the smuggling of our room an interest can i ask you something i've been in turkey recently and people there are actually very worried that war will happen between syria and turkey do you think a war with turkey is a realistic scenario rationally no i don't think that's a god for for two reasons the war needs public support and the majority of the turkish people don't need this war so i don't think any russian. official would think about. going against the will of the public in this country the same for the syrian people so it's not the conflict or the difference is not between the syrian people and the turkish people who support the government and the official green

between officialdom deal because all the politics so i don't see any war between syria and turkey in the horizon when is the last time you spoke to the ground and how did they talk and. may two thousand and eleven after he won the elections so you just congratulated him you just that was the last time it was the last who is shelling turkey the government forces or the rebels in order to help you to find the answer you need to joint committee between the two armies in order to know. who because on the borders you have a lot of terrorists who have. mortars so they can do the same or you have to go investigate the bomb itself the police and so on and that didn't happen we asked the turks or the turkish government to have this committee they refused so you cannot have the answer but when you have these terrorists on your border you don't exclude. them from doing so because. the syrian army doesn't have any order to kill

the turkish learn because we don't we don't find any interest in this and we don't have any immediately with the turkish people we consider them as a brother so why to do it a list that happens by mistake we need the investigation so far we don't have the answer because if you accept that maybe mistakenly from the government forces that could happen disposability in every war you have and think you know in forgotten build the forgotten they always talk about friendly fire if you kill your soldiers so that in every war that could happen but we cannot say it's time something why has turkey that you call the friendly nation become a foothold for the opposition. not the not turkey only guns government. only just to be decided not the turkish people to people needs a good relation with the syrian people this is a drug and i think he believes that if muslim brotherhood take over in the region

and especially in syria you can go to to his political future this is one reason the other reason. personally think that he had been useful part of the autumn and he can control the region as it was during those many. different rates. which is. islamic but not gotten him in bahrain not to be ready for but in his heart you think that it's hard for me these are the main reasons for him to change or to shift his policy from zero frames a sort of view of problems to zero friends but it's not just the west that opposes you at this point you have so many enemies in the arab world and that's to say like two years ago when someone heard your name in the arab world they would straighten their ties and on the first occasion they betray you why do you have so many enemies in the arab world they're not enemies some of them the majority of the arab governments suppose. syria in the heart they don't. do

that explicitly under pressure by the waist sometimes under pressure by the lot of them got on board who supports you from the arab world many countries supported by the whole but the truth here that explicitly first of all york. is very active role in supporting syria during the crisis because it's neighboring country and they understand that if you have a war room inside syria you will have war in the neighboring countries including iraq. i think of the country. they have good position. mainly in those other countries and other countries. all of them but. they are they have positive position but without taking action.

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thanks to get. think. exists. to. saudi arabia and qatar why are they so adamant about you resigning and how would an unstable middle east set their agenda. be frank i don't i cannot go on their behalf they have to answer that question but what i could say but the problem between syria and many countries where the. book. but we keep saying you know when we think that we have to say no but the problem and some

country believe that they can control is here to go through all this money. and this is impossible in syria that's a problem then maybe they want to play a role we don't have problem they can play a role where they deserve or not they can both play a role at the expense of all interests. but is it about controlling syria or about exporting their vision of islam to syria. you cannot put it government policy sometimes sometimes we have institutions in certain. countries sometimes we have personnel who try to promote this but they don't in all three of the visual. policies so they didn't ask us to promote their. extremist attitude of their institutions but that happens in reality that happens whether through in direct support of the government or through the foundation for the institution of the person and so this is part of the problem but when you want to

talk as a government you have to talk about the. policy not policies like any other policy but it's about interests it's about playing a role but we cannot ignore what you mentioned. iran which is a very close ally also exposed to economic sanctions also facing a threat of military invasion if you were faced with an option cut ties with iran in exchange for peace in your country would you go for it there's no contradiction i don't help these conflicting options why because we had good relations with iran since seventy nine till today and it's getting better every day but at the same time we are moving toward peace and we had peace process we had negotiations iran wasn't a factor against peace so this is means. information to try to promote in the west but if we if we need peace we don't have to have good relations with iran this no relation is completely two different objects here are supported syria.

supported our cause because of the occupied land and we have to support them in their cause the simple iran is very important country in the region for looking if we are looking for stability we need good relation with iran you cannot talk about stability while you have bad religion with iran with ilchi with your neighbors and so on this is it. do you have any information that the western intelligence are financing. rebel fighters here in syria know so far what we know that they are offering the knowledge support of the terrorists turkey sometimes in lebanon. mainly. but we have the other intelligence not deal with in the region some of them are very active what activity with this provision. you western intelligence what's the role of al-qaeda in syria at this point are they controlling any of the rebel coalition forces no i don't think looking to control their look to have your

own military kingdom or the moderates in the language but mainly try to scare the people through exposure in assassination so something like this to push the people toward this position or to accept them as the reality so they go through but their final is to have this with the islamic emirate in syria where they can. promote their own ideology and the little book. from those who are fighting you and those who are against you who would you talk to. you talk to anyone who has genuine will to help you with our time with anyone who wants to use our crisis for his own personal interest you know you've been many times not you but the government forces how menteng has been accused of war crimes against their own civilians do you accept that the gun forces have committed war crimes against their own civilians we are fighting terrorism we're. implementing our

constitution. by protecting the syrian people let's go back to what happened in russia more than a decade ago. you faced the terrorism and she turned to the people in theaters schools and so on and the army in russia protected the people would you call it. a crime you know. you wouldn't few days ago misty internationally recognized the crime but the that was committed few days ago when they captured soldiers excluded them and human rights watch more than once about the crimes all those terrorist groups and it was described as. a crime this is the first point the second point if you have committed a crime against its people this is devoid of closure because the syrian army is

made up of syrian people if you want to commit a crime against your people the army would defy it would disintegrate so you cannot have strongarm unified on me while you are killing your people so the army cannot with a stand for twenty months in these difficult circumstances without having the embrace of the public in syria so how could you how could you have this embrace moment while you're killing your people this is a contradiction so this advance. what is the last time you spoke into a western leader. before the crisis it was before the crisis for them. where there any time at which they tried to give you conditions that if you left the coast of presidency then there will be peace in syria are no no with cleanup but whether they propose that directly or indirectly it's a matter of sovereignty only the syrian people would talk about this who ever talk about this in the media in a statement that they are going directly has no meaning it has no we. in syria so

we know but you know do you even have a choice because from what it seems from the outside even if you wanted to go. you wouldn't have anywhere to go if i were to go if you wanted to leave to syria. or to see that this is the only place where we can leave i'm not pop at all isn't being me by the west could do with twenty other countries and syrian army. maybe in syria and i have to leave incident by incident. do you think that at this point there could be talks or diplomacy or we've reached a stage where only the army can do nothing i always believe in diplomacy i always believe that they will be always believed and even with people who doesn't understand who doesn't believe in indicted you have to keep trying whether you succeeded or not think if you always have. success you have to look for this particular success before you look for the good before you to the complete success but you have to be realistic you don't think that only they can make you

achieve something because those people who commit these acts they are to. one of them doesn't believe in the extremist. you have the locals who have been convicted by the court years ago before the crisis and they're not sure the enemy is the government because they're going to be detained if you had normal situation it's the other part of them the people who has been supplied by the outside and the only good they can only be committed to the people or to the government will spend the money and supply them with all of them and they don't have a choice they don't have a decision they don't own their own decision so you have to be realistic and you have the third part of the people whether he's. militants or politicians who can exclude the title that's why we've been in for months now even with militants and many of them give up their armaments and they went back to their normal life do you

think foreign invasion is imminent i think the price of this invasion if it happened is going. to be more than the whole world came before because if you have a problem in syria and you got this last stronghold of secularism and stability in the region and coexistence it's a it will have a domain or faith that if it works from the atlantic to the pacific and you know. the implication or put it on volatile but i don't thing. with him going. to god but you do so nobody can peer what's next. mr president do you blame yourself or anything. normally you have to find mistakes you do it with every different decision otherwise you're not a human what's your biggest mistake well i don't remember to be frank no but we were always but always even before taking the decision to go to court to consider

that part of it will be wrong but you cannot tell about your mythical sometimes especially during crisis you don't see what's right and wrong until you overcome the situation that your in so it's not i wouldn't be objective to talk about mistakes because you're still in the middle of the war so you don't have regrets yet. not now as it were when when everything is clear you can talk about your mistakes but you definitely have a thick skin or if today was fifteen so march two thousand and eleven that's when the protest started to escalate and grow what would you do differently what i would do what i did exactly sail for exactly the thing to start to ask the different parties to for to have dialogue and to stand against the terrorist group but i always thought it didn't start as modest it would cover world umbrella was marcia's but within those motions you had militants who started tooting the civilians and

the army at the same time maybe on the tactical level you could have done something different but as president to not think you could take the decision on strategic level which is different present us how do you see yourself in ten years time. through my country i can see myself i can see my company in ten years time this is where i can see myself more as yourself in syria differently i have to be in syria is sort of all the position i don't see myself or the. president or not described my interest i could see myself in this country confused stable country more prosperous country person bashar al assad of syria thank you for talking to r.t. thank you for coming through ok thank. wealthy british scientists hold some.

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