intrigue mout said to the country for twenty seven years the time was tough for the chinese but the country economically made its great leap forward chairman mahler's poses resulted in terms of millions of deaths damed cell pain became the next chinese leader even though he was persecuted and a model for his economic policies and even though moll declared in the other person he's chosen successor tang of ancient china towards what he called a socialist market economy he opened the country to foreign investment the global market a limited private competition the country's economy grew faster triggering popular demand food realisation to go beyond just the economy it all ended up in tiananmen protests of nine hundred eighty nine violently suppressed and the leadership were shuffled gens in maine was suspicious of bourgeois liberalization so his first two years in power so

a slowdown of economic reform later he pushed them forward seen to it that the chinese communist party kept it strong control of the government the twenty first century transition of leadership in china was one from establishment communists to younger and more pragmatic technocrats it has also seen and of mao's style paramount leader with the power shared by a group of political leaders as china's turned into the world's second largest economy as well as a big player in the international arena all eyes are now on the country as its once again go win through a major power reshuffle there's no doubt the country will push the economic reforms forward the real question is whether the new chinese leadership will bring about political and legal change. hello thank you very much for being with us today so. here i am. so you smiling

well of course for for people experts say in china this report that we just saw was too short and then maybe it was sort of a sort of a jigsaw but i think it is inadequate so out of the sort of remarks that what has been happening in china and the what it when i wish that i got an idea that this is sort of a specific type of democracy china has right well maybe even exemplary they don't they don't feel the necessity to hide the continuity and whatever they're doing behind a two party three party system one party one people one idea every five or ten years they get together and decide if they need to change or not it is that is not right basically. well of course. admit that. you democratization it's not right the country is not the critic you but leaders of

china i mean the present generation the one which is going to replace the. present one. do say that democratization should go step by step and of course as for the fall of the western alliance as far as. they see the future they think that the comments by the should be in church and it should be. decided what's happened there is there is an interesting saying maybe it's more of a joke that the difference maybe the ideological differences between the the fractions inside the communist party of china is a logic that is bigger than the difference between the democrats and republicans in the states are the two parties in england not big same what is it that defections there which may boil down to republicans and democrats. ok let's let let's get back to congress that we've been. thing last week president hu jintao in his opening

address to the congress said i quote that corruption could even cause the collapse of the party and the fall of the state that with the words of the leader it's definitely among the most important topics at the congress so what's going to happen what are you going to do with it did the congress really discuss any plan or is it there just today. just because to change the leadership and no plan to do to fight corruption which tells them that it's a big problem zero zero zero zero the need to have a think they have been fighting corruption seriously for the last maybe four or five years jail for a couple of ministers that they know more about big jail this a guy who was jailed for corruption not because he was any pretended. power the very top of normal course of course a lie and that was abuse of power which was known it's a topic number one and it looks very much like people from the capital

a fighting corruption enemies of the local leadership because these are the people who tend to put the things of the elite and this is serious and if you look at what the chinese be in the corruption it's again think of it they're real i would even say kwame stealing some. because you can see that when the country's reforming itself there are several waves of people's anger about the guys getting rich but is it true that despite fighting corruption corruption is china continues and was continuing to grow over the years if mr kissinger who talk to say what agency said before yesterday that it's inevitable that we should believe mr kissinger of course as we know corruption exists in every society even the most democratic society with a long tradition of more protests and everything in china corruption is not something new it's been there for centuries it's really grew. this wildly i'll come

to this point the previous government the china government done what communism took power communalism power it collapsed because of corruption corruption to many. experts outside experts and chinese experts agree on that it was the head that's what they feel now that is good is going to. be in the strong because as i said it exists in every society because it's a long tradition and because it's basically a one party system of course they do have other parties but they work on the control of the commons by then they in fact it's one party system and when all power belongs to the party bosses and you cannot criticize them it's very hard to fight with them but they do try to fight it and they try very hard to do the for the death penalty it's not only this it's like at this congress many of the delegates stood up and said that they they promised that the members of their family will not have any business at all that one of them said that my wife had some business now it's over all relatives of mine and they have very interesting

measures which exist only in the fight corruption exists only in the chinese society for example in china if you look at their biographies you'll never see or read biographies of the leaders you ever see the date of the birth order months in year you cannot can relate to your boss on his birthday or if i am. you know my boss you cannot invite yeah you know a birthday party because you know i did not give you know as it is not present no sir i don't have this tradition to have because they'd like to every year i mean the signature and it's it's quite different from us but it's. you know it's becoming fashionable to have those are so you promised to do turns this simple question has it been growing despite these measures in the well that's what they say i mean of course i don't have any examples to measure myself do you think the new leadership will be more lucky do you think would they be able to change that trend to get to start reducing don't. i think it depends on them because in my

opinion it's not the corruption that's growing is the public perception of the corruption is growing as it was seeing this in there in a slightly company strength we tend to dislike rich people and they suspect their leaders of accumulating material which may be true but. it's what they think about it was important look at mitt romney his son is in business and mitt romney also about half a billion u.s. dollars if i remember it right nobody in america minds that if the chinese dislike the think the. iron business and suffering is wrong with the country with the society and they would say that i know what is wrong it's three hundred seventy million people who just migrated from the village to the cities and get their secondary and lowly paid jobs and this is the source of discontent but again. something to this i think is growing longer because when you say so but this is my analysis to you know economies grow in more money and so collation more wealthy

people like you said some more billion this is a gold more cash more carefully variable really is what injustice. somebody who has power and he sees those guys who have billions more somewhere where it's a legal injustice i mean i mean it used to be i mean in the soviet union all was supposed to be equal now injustice is legal i mean so so i said here ok well since you since you mentioned the growing economy people say that that's in the coming years maybe five maybe seven years china will outgrow the united states and become the number one economy in the world is it true do you believe that will happen why had predictions prediction a few years ago i mean excuse me a few days ago. done by. cuba has a son of one hundred hundred i mean a hundred countries on for all he said that for pete's point if you buy at the middle of the century chinese. the g.n.p. will be bigger than the combined g.n.p.

of all other countries of the world. i don't believe in that because they see it as as we know there are so many internal problems which are so so china will be will become the world's number one economy within five years so there is a chance but we're going to. know that there is a sort of. making these predictions i read one hour ago and that was a couple of days ago or supposing this saying precisely the change in there will be number one in the year two thousand and sixteen six. that we had a man could do mission and shift and then he was specialist in the economic forecasting and he used to say sarcastically that. the real scientific forecast is different from fortune tended with coffee only because the second one sometimes does more for sex sales here given the beginning vision of president of

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analyst both experts on china we've we've taken a break when talking about growing china's economy. eternally is it true well they can tell of course they cannot but you see china specialist side i'm sure they thought of myself and many other so i think most of us predicted many times that china is a kind of was about to collapse was such a thing to be idea i didn't and i began to explain this. because you know of course all minor problems you mentioned some of those problems and we can add some other problems which to exist ecology like of resources. problems with hundreds cetera but it continues to grow i did not predict that that would but this year or so you are well you know many chinese banks. or you believe your savings you had a bit of my bank. there is an interest of people in american pay one everywhere predicting china's collapse because the system what they want. cannot

collapse in society which may collapse by some strife and change is known for those who spend the whole point of century and can be in despair battles between. let's look at the u.s. you know in the ninety's everybody was saying here in america and other countries that americas up there are so far ahead of any other country and it will continue to grow all you know various. especially because of mobile phones because of internet because a poll that's inventions you know the most productive promoting advanced economy and what happened then it went down suddenly and it's not a thing since you know it's interesting that you mention the united states when talking about the growth of chinese economy people say the chinese economy can't do without the american market is it true well that's what i'm trying to say experts say and you know if you read chinese newspapers still they say what the american

economy was in good shape we were in the grocery run it went down so the hardship turned. this is the inside of the so does that mean does that mean that the president cooling of the relations between beijing and washington will stop and the new leadership will try to to to to improve the relations with the states don't you feel me. because we don't know i think that was the life that was built to have it can you get it well they let me start with this you know the beginning of the twentieth century point b. who was the famous british historian we visited germany in one thousand eleventh and as he says in his memoirs so many germans said to him we're like brothers and sisters now we're so interconnected we have trade we have investments we have scientific ties and he came back to england to be ensured that good

prospects for for the future of europe and the thing was perfect three years later that big war of course they're interconnected but there are national security things there are competition between growing china and america which doesn't like this growth of china and. miscalculations are of course possible i hope it will happen especially in the nuclear age but still we can expect tensions to continue what russia is is china getting more who are dependent on the resources well and specifically on the imported russian resources i strongly suspect that russia is the last country which among the big companies which are which china's concerned about is not getting seriously dependent on us they always try to keep some kind of ten percent or fifteen percent limit on for every concrete iran the rush because of style maybe so you know they're trying to diminish the use of foreign sources sokol

going to diminish use of energy that we're going to expend to increase energy efficiency that's what they're trying to do to spare to use less oil and to upkeep the nature if you can read out anything interesting about this congress which is going on the earth in the now and the about to be ended their green program. again but i want to stress that of course russian. the most important part of the chance for many many reasons which are political reasons because we're neighbors because we have peaceful relations now for four of them we're like you know ria they have so many problems with all their i once again hear the program speaking of the world or i know china and i know but russia and china are officially our strategic partners this is this is what's declared in all the documents signed between the leaders that there are mutual problem is there a mutual discontent for example russian citizens in the south of siberia are their

discontent is growing specially the number how immigrants flooding the cities the number of chinese last year three times more visit to china than chinese because russian and russian people buy property hi nonviolent most just i don't i don't think that. returns less chinese because he likes the figures yes i asked the guy from shanghai he's the head of her russian community. and he seemed to know a very conservative estimate is about thirty five thousand leaving their own permanent bases and probably about a similar amount coming going what information they said bierria in the far east it's. a very old story which is now irrelevant that's what so it's exaggerate i agree completely the problem is the chinese flooding the russian streets and you know it in the scientists it's been it's exaggerated and people who worry about chinese presence not people who live there because they need changes in the chinese working force they have great people some politicians some political scientists in

moscow who think about this while we are speaking there this communist party congress is the coming to an end well what occurred to me is that the importance of this congress is now less it's no less important than the elections in the states for maybe both maybe war but not only for china but for for over for the whole world but why why is the chinese leadership the chinese authorities what do they do they feel. more media coverage where they want to keep it so low profile of this is tradition remember the soviet union when we had the commies by did you know some people you know she didn't disappear before the congress and said how come they don't announce why do as we did invite hundreds of journalists to take part in these congress and report out from around the world traditionally and when by whom bungling mr branch would you did you know he was here while you're here i know that would be a tradition i mean less people better for the party ok chinaman's court human rights violations censoring of internet do you think something will change because

the people that are coming to power today they were educated in the west they more they have more liberal liberal values. if i may know what they were looking to get into which the somewhere in his education basically and what will. you know it's a typical mistake of any european or american to think that any change comes from them from europe or america for this is the best example for anyone in the world it will change in china because the cheney's heat many things it's not exactly the same things which the europe europeans might take but. it is sitting with anger at some small precise local problems like leg bridge being lengthened for construction like look outs and probably people little street which is more improved porton then the freedom of press while they can then some people connected with the freedom you don't have presided over nuclear war i am likely to show you that when the internet the new way you cannot stop change internet it's a crazy place you know your story to the reader and you society has always been

a variable the pile an active out of all this all these years and it's a more active than the russian society and maybe than even the american society but if we do the old we but i think there are two precious democratization one is from inside china like you said because yes the middle class is there they want more you know and the beginning of your. i have a say in the politics here and they want to have x. number one number two it's objective fact market economy open economy needs more open society i mean it's obvious chinese leaders realize they realize most pressure from inside and they realize that it's necessary and that's what they talk about and mr jintao said that by the be the law of the this century china will be a really democratic country he's got to do tower is he is he. disappearing or easy

just stepping out of the spotlight into the shades head or will he continue to challenge influence well before the last time when the huge power of course when mr hu jintao replaced mr jones immediately and held the military highest military position the central military committee of the home by the end of the state this time mr hu jintao already announced he's not going to stage this head of the military which is very important you have. for power you have for government power and. you know i mean it's not if i'm sorry but. the military the the the the rule of the military is increasing in china is a true well it's been strong all the time and now they want more power more money because they are believing that that is increasing is it looks like they have because at least their budget is increasing. in the last five years i suppose the military spending in this part of asia has doubled and mostly thanks to check that

it's now it's maybe ninety ninety five billion us dollars but it's the mates and the minute before increasing their power in a day because the name is growing and they're becoming well very vocal you know i'm not sure that they want to grab the status of a japanese right now but at least the most has been for them just but you know again i want to stress that the military was very important to china all the way mr jenner when he was in power he visited the sort. you didn't know tonight you walk and met with mr gorbachev and he said to mr gorbachev you know we tried to be a very honest trauma tension to our military people want to visit provinces he said i don't talk to party officials and them under my control i talk to the military do this very important keep you tried to give us this listen to this to go over thank you thank you for being with us and just a reminder that my guests on the show today were here guinea bush and the president of their russian foreign ministry's diplomatic academy and also dimitri crossing over and right here or through

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