you ready there are on the journey for tonight's big picture of all for a super conservative commentator neil munro white house correspondent for the daily caller and sam sax progressive commentator and contributor to truthout dot org thank you all for joining me let's get into this. the stock to start with benghazi former cia director recent very recently former cia director that's a whole other thing i suppose david petraeus testified on capitol hill today about benghazi i don't know if john mccain showed up for this when he missed the one yesterday but in any case he confirmed that the attack was indeed an act of terrorism consistent with what president obama had said in the rose garden the day after the attack here's the clip. no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation alter that character or clips the light of the values that we stand for. today we mourn for more americans who represent the very best of the united states of america. we will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act republicans john mccain and lindsey graham have been

calling for watergate scale or type investigations into benghazi yet both mccain and graham skipped the hearing yesterday where the joint chiefs the f.b.i. and the cia and everybody else came to tell the senators what they wanted to hear so my question and let me start with yours are republicans really serious about finding out what's going on what happened in gaza or is this all just you know like pulling out of whitewater and oh let's pull on rose travelgate and let's pull in let's find something that we can impeach this guy well first of all why water it up being a beer or serious issue with the attorney general is going to last thirty thousand bucks even the attorney general of the united states recognize the seriousness of it but let's not really get that point to this particular issue is poppycock to say that that particular speech represents the president's statements and beliefs about the matter when in fact sixty minutes finally released their video some four or five days after that statement where he was flatly asked the question any did not

that fact the truth of the matter is this administration knew that it was a terrorist attack from the very beginning but because it being a terrorist attack challenged their narrative about what how to treat the islamic parts of the world they downplayed it and in fact didn't take the necessary steps to make this problem let me get this right the conservative story line on this thing now is that the president of the united states risked blowing up his entire presidency by to deceive the nation because the facts were inconsistent with with his belief about how things should be there i'm very sure because what the trail said today was the first draft of his memo his intelligence report sent up into the ministration at tied to al qaida and its affiliates as the attackers on that night and yes. the draft pops out of the white house the justice department a few days later is no mentioned now we will find out if that claim is true if that

claim turns out to be true on paper we will know the agree to this fact that al qaeda is sort of like saying you know rebels these days it is about on the side is a particular islamic now work with fairly coherent beliefs it's not with the group that the group that literally lives in the town next to benghazi has or at least my my understanding is at the time that i had no direct connection to any group that had anything to do with the work we did. they just call themselves that because they were like we share your values we live in a networked world we do not need a general motors' in charge of our enemies and what they have is a network of allied and shared interests so for example the guy organizing the protest outside the cairo u.s. embassy on september eleventh is the brother of his head they are shared beliefs shared family shared ideology and we will know very soon if the president scrubbed

from that report in order to shield himself from media scrutiny but. i don't think the president has anything to hide when it comes to mean he's been is bloodthirsty as anybody when it comes to going after al qaeda whether it's actual terrorists or whether it's twelve year old little girls or. the idea that he's been weak which prompted this attack is no please don't misunderstand what we're dealing with we're dealing with islamicists some of them wear suits some of them carry guns the president has been very friendly the ones who wear suits and as a result the guys with the suits are letting the guys with the guns is this is this is really you guys really believe this that the present state somehow is all about the train his country because you know training is country lying to the american people is what he did he did it on september twelfth the same way he said i want to raise your taxes one the same way he said if you like your doctor you can keep it the same way here. marriott number from what the unemployment level would be this

lot a lot of those are things that. this president is that doing of this idea of making deals like as if this is something new i mean during the iraq surge the iraq war surge deals were made with some of the most brutal warlords i mean this is the way that the game is a lid on it to believe that if only i agree diplomatic attacks have been drastically down under president obama's administration to any president the last thirty years of course this stuff is going to happen especially with the policy we have of nation building in drone warfare in the middle east this stuff is going to happen now yes we should try to prevent it but the best way to do that is not will and when our ambassador and a team of people are murdered and you come forward and you admit that it's every bit of your child do here is he did not do a bit of a radio anything his ambassador out to say that it was the video here is that here is the cia talking points that was given to the president and to ambassador rice before she went out and you know this is been released now by the cia the currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in gaza were spontaneously

inspired by the protests at the u.s. embassy in cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the u.s. diplomatic post in the gaza and subsequently its antics there are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations general petraeus is reported as saying today is that is not the cia memo that's the edited cia memo that came out of the white house the first draft of that memo said the president has gambled that he could deal with these nominees by talking to them his gamble so here's the essence of what you're saying and i'm assuming fox news and all the right wing talk show hosts in the in the conservative entertain tamely complex are saying is that the president because he wants to somehow protect. his relationship to get his own if the world is willing to betray an american ally don't know if he believes he can persuade the islamists and reconcile them to modernity as opposed to killing about well i'm calling him a liar on the i'm calling him a liar but i'm not calling him a liar for. the reasons you describe the fact of the matter is they knew that al

qaeda i am that it was a terrorist attack why because he thought it could harm him in this upcoming election whatever he needed to. do george w. bush was like that these mailers they came together as were going to don't you don't resolve the lying on the part of one person by identifying the lying on the part of another sort of your residence has made it you're seriously and find out you're seriously here you're seriously try to tell me that this guy this president states who's dropping who's dropping bombs on the heads of people all over pakistan to the point that they're there. he's killed more people than any other president extrajudicial killings included american even without a trial that this guy is so aggressively out there killing al qaeda that all of a sudden he's decided he doesn't like to kill. and he that is a characterize that change your mind keep this characterize it a try i did not i said what he is lobbying about the facts his policy

isn't war he wanted to get reelected and to have a discussion about his always think a solution so if you want to get if you want to get reelected so he's going to kill al qaeda but he's going to talk about understands not going to talk about how he was going to strategically kill off is the shooting them and negotiating with the islamised but in fact the islamic friends of the guys in allied he's trying to appease the these lama sin suits and that means you guys need to make work this out between those who are for elections and it's diversity in the center shocking as it may seem but the problem is we will find out soon the extent of the strategic error which was exposed by the jihad the attack on september eleventh he rushed to cover up his policy failures on the night of the attack that's what this is all extraordinary marital because you has dropped enough drones on the. this is the message. that is up at the he does not speaking of the speaking of the

the terrorists in suits let's move along to the banks years who just took over hostess actually didn't just take over as they took over in one thousand nine hundred five they've they've stripped and dumped this company twice they've stripped all the money out of it they've loaded up with that it's gone through two bankruptcies the c.e.o. just took a three hundred percent pay increase as he was saying no i'm sorry we can't pay our workers anymore who are already took a thirty percent a. hostess brands as they're going to shut down their facilities the right wing media is blaming this on the unions i think it's fairly clear this is this is the bain capital's of the. red is a bread is a commodity the prices are being forced down it's a ruthless business and i perfectly accept most of your argument that the management is ruthless and incompetent fine. the problem is it's a commodity business where margins are getting driven down all the time and it does not help this country to import large quantities of low skilled labor when we should be investing in high skilled technology high skilled companies and instead

don't live band don't don't try and prop up low wages with government regulations try and educate and make for higher technology. so we should all everything should go to computers and to hell with the american were you know the truth of the matter is very likely the hostess cupcakes and twinkies are going to come back and continue in other companies who want to acquire the rights to them but those jobs those jobs are gone and it was the union leadership that is destroyed those particular jobs you go to people taking a shit over the last year well guess what years they need to take some more but not just you know not the c.e.o. who are going to three hundred or so. they have no jobs but a leadership that sits there and says i'm more upset about your pay increase mr executive then the people i represent the leadership that's out of leadership that's out of touch or are business owners. they don't give a damn about their workers and would rather focus on their own profits and their own and the ordinary leader who care all so much about your union leadership

members i mean your union members but you've actually literally negotiated them out of the job i mean this is where you know i'm asking the c.e.o. to take a seven hundred thousand dollars compensation package like you took last year not a two and a half million dollar compensation package well and beyond beyond that your comment horace betrays assuming not ignorance. but but union leaders don't negotiate packages and impose them without a majority vote of the membership unions or. so this has to be or this or any members did it to themselves you are playing the. cards here is this are you it is work better to go on strike it take a vote by democratic process you mean stalin isn't one i repeat that continually majority rule is the the union leadership in this country is not responsive to the needs of its people it couldn't give a damn about it has a choice to respond to. or as a former union member i will testify that management worker relations can get very

bad very quickly and i will and imagine is often responsible for the air but don't go on a high horse complain by republicans it is democrats who emphasize the low wage economy by deliberately importing large quantities of low wage low skill workers he's going to have to do with hostess being stripped by a by a bain capital labor. costs that all this is death by a banking labor cost no this is the reagan change. except. those concessions that are largely contributed to by the low wage labor force that money so that is the shovel money off of the banks shovel the money off to the c.e.o.'s and the worker sat it out without it when they're out of a job now is that better and mr high had it was long among the biggest donors to the president in two thousand and eight election was goldman sachs i'm afraid the bankers investment. both parties. have more and more of sides big picture rubble right after work. it's.

you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom hardy welcome to the big picture.

here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that many americans call a dollar. i'm sorry i'm just a guy who cares an awful lot about what you sir are a fool you know what that is my terrorist cells in your neighborhood all want to give us aid to featurism a liberal and the christian point you. can see your beliefs about it because it's going to support you to distract us from what you and i should care about because there are profit driven industry that sells a sensationalistic garbage he calls it breaking news i'm not me martin and we're going to break that.

well imagine the big picture rubble joining me tonight are horace cooper conservative commentator neil munro white house correspond with the daily caller and sam sax progressive commentator contributor to truthout org let's get back to a denny's franchisee fellow by the name of john mattes as growing as joined the growing list of c.e.o.'s who say that they are going to fire workers or cut back on their hours to avoid having to give them health insurance xen ten call tinkle tangle at applebee's and robert murray of murray energy have also announced layoffs so so two of the owners of olive garden and papa johns but while the big businesses struggle to give health care to their employees by the way some kick in for the two years i don't know why these guys are doing all this right now for nearly a year and have pizza in wisconsin. a chain of pizza stores in wisconsin says obamacare levels the playing field for us like sixty percent of small businesses

they provide health care to all of their employees and they are looking forward to the day that papa johns has the exact same expense that they do so as a small business they can compete with the big business what's wrong with having small businesses and big businesses on the same playing field course but only the government's business is into so making sure everybody is playing on the exact and playing field because people bring different skills different values different resources different innovations to the table so what i would look at what i will add however is we've discussed before employers were telling their employees this election is going to be consequential how you choose is going to make a real difference not just in our lives but in the lives of all of us who participate in this workforce people didn't want to believe that in fact some people let's take this show condemned that idea now i really don't want to see the reality it's not unheard of in reality let's face it corporate profits under president obama at seventy seven percent of grown seventy seven percent that's number one since nine hundred second is warren harding at seventeen percent

corporations have done very well under president obama it's working people that actually haven't done very well at all and the great irony here is that all these big businesses that are now going to have to provide health care for their employees they shouldn't spend so much a lot of time water you can see portable care act of they should have spent a lot of money lobbying for single payer health care so that they would have to worry about how lives are ironies papa john's stock has tripled since obama became president why isn't this guy kissing with a lot instead of kicking a new crony capitalist economy on of course big companies are going to profit and make out but the thing i am puzzled by is progress are the ones who designed this health care system for the country how did they not predict upfront progress as to how do you going to protect upfront dixon that. goes with such like would do would raise prices all this is perfectly managed out of washing said about understanding what you want to see what else doc wanted to hold on washington what obama is apparently is going to place when obamacare. when in a place in massachusetts we didn't see these to slow don't ask don't ask moderates

in fact and central government even at the state level health care system if progress is are so good at planning our health care system they would have predicted this they would have headed off the problem if would be no answer to the source of all of your complaint is to admit they got robbed of their all so much later is it really just make this guy take a break for a moment here and. single payer health care is what progressives who are advocating for you do what the this you guys are that we're all debating here is a very small number of very political c.e.o.'s who are taking some relatively small measures in the weeks since the election thousands of people have been hired all over the country nobody is waving a flag going oh no those they just got hired because of obama thousands of people got laid off all of that god only knows way even if this is the. middle of two thousand and thirteen let's discuss the unemployment rate absolute promise you but not just obamacare but the nearly three hundred executive orders a new regulations that the president has held off and will now only start again you

are are going to assault this economy it's the end of america those with that already experiment in california we're going to have something like sweden progressives have been in charge for decades in california that state is now a quarter of the population has is now poverty they snatched ten republicans are actually very safe natch there's no way there's a failed state that had a republican you know the poverty from mississippi california has now and this is this is because the republicans a requirement that there be a supermajority in the in the state assembly to increase taxes and that supermajority has been thwarted by republicans and a republican governor you know you want to iraq also border with jordan in california so now they can litter sells out of modern watch and see how much faster they have devastation if i think it is a bore and you have raised what. we have c.e.o. is right now who. getting in the political game you can because of citizens united to lower their taxes to give more breaks and they're willing to lay off workers in

the short short term so the long run they can get a republican president in power so they can get all this money back i'm puzzled you guys are progressives you believe in big government of course you are going to get involved in government if it's be just the last question of the way you know will will will go out on that point neal with the actually probably some group here last question quite far with i was just going out of business we know their products have a very long shelf life which does or will each of you guys be hoarding to put up on e bay ten years from now so that you can make a you know a big profit off that will it be twinkies ding dongs or ho hos sam i won't be pretty but i do carry a twinkie with me. every day. easy twinkies a right of citizenship for all americans i've got some stored away for my children when they're old enough i to think of eating of the twinkie i am an american and for us i say in the direction of this president taking the economy there will be no in may to put the twinkies on the phone here or i thank you horace so that's

because you know. what does it take for a foreign corporation to get the corporate death penalty in the united states of america it's a question we need to ask ourselves after news broke yesterday of b.p.'s legal settlement over its gulf oil spill disaster or crime in two thousand and ten eleven workers were killed when their oil rig exploded and for three months five million barrels of toxic crude gushed into the gulf of mexico as b.p. never made contingency plans for the sort of obvious crisis and therefore was trying to find a way to plug the hole. that oil killed marine life it blanketed coastlines and put

gulf coast small businesses out of business so this day we still don't know the long term effects of this catastrophe on the ecosystem or our food chain which is now contaminated with iowa's shrimp qualis crabs and other oil mutated aquatic freak shows not to mention the human cancers that will show up in future decades so now the foreign corporation responsible for all those b.p. used to be called british petroleum is just going to cut a small check and then go back to business as usual punching holes in the gulf b.p. pled guilty to fourteen felony and misdemeanor charges and agreed to pay a four and a half billion dollar fine the largest criminal fine in our nation's history but for a corporation that just announced it earned five point four billion dollars in the last three months b.p. knows they got off easy the organization public citizen notes claims arising from the gulf disaster which killed eleven workers and did untold damage puts the

company's liability at a minimum of fifty one and a half billion dollars that's more than ten times will be people end up paying to suffer. as part of the sullivan the government still reserves the right to charge two two b.p. employees for manslaughter it will likely be too low level workers who will have to take the fall for the entire corporation and the industry the repeatedly ignored regulations and cut safety corners just to maximize their quarterly profits because there are two tiered criminal justice system one for the rich and one for everybody else rarely do corporate suits go to jail all together the settlement will do very little to change the corrupt scam that the oil barons are running on the american people as a spokes person for public citizens were stunned the settlement is pathetic but the point of the criminal justice system is twofold to punish and to deter and this does not in

a tragic irony that proves public citizens point news broke on friday the day of another oil rig exploding off the coast of louisiana early reports indicate two workers are dead and another two workers are missing perhaps if our criminal justice system had taken swifter action against b.p. and followed through by banning the company from doing business in the united states the entire industry might shape up and maybe just maybe if that happened a group of oil men in louisiana would still be alive today our nation has a long history with the corporate death penalty beginning in the early eighty's hundreds of laws were passed in several states to make it easier for legislators to revoke corporate charters if businesses were operating against the public's interest. and this routinely happened in ohio mississippi and pennsylvania banks were shut down for being financially unsound in new york and massachusetts corporations that ran the turnpikes were given

a corporate death sentence for not keeping the roads in good repair in eight hundred twenty five twenty states that amended their constitutions to make it easier for each state to revoke alter or a no corporate charters whenever a corporation quote may be injurious to citizens of the community. and in just one year eight hundred thirty two the state of pennsylvania sentenced ten corporations to death revoking their charters for quote operating contrary to the public interest and quote is continued in the late eighteen hundreds when whiskey trusts sugar corporations and oil corporations were all put to death in several states across the nation and new york workers petitioned the state supreme court to slay the beast that was standard oil for labor abuses in one thousand nine hundred four the court obliged and revoked standard oil of new york's corporate charter in that state and yet here we are today more than

a century later with the gulf of mexico ruined eleven men dead and countless other lives ruined and the overseas corporation responsible for all this mess has free reign to do business anywhere it wants in the united states because our justice system has been neutered by corporate power if corporate charters were contingent on corporations operating in the best interests of the public as they used to be in our nation we get some wong over do. for the corporate death sentences the big five oil companies for example conoco phillips chevron exxon mobil royal dutch shell and b.p. dumped a billion pounds of carbon pollution into our atmosphere every day fueling asthma cancer epidemics and local communities as well as global warming but they don't have to pay for those externalities caused by their pollution leave the taxpayers pay for the extra burden on our health care system just like we are not

the oil companies have to pay for our military machine that keeps the oil lanes open so these companies can make billions to even get cheap gasoline out all of us now no matter how you slice it these oil companies especially b.p. are not operating in the public interest they need to be put down they've broken their contract with we the people and unless we want to continue to see smoldering oil rigs just off our coast and massive oil slicks in our waters and we must bring back the corporate death. and that's the way it is tonight friday nov sixteenth two thousand and twelve. for more information on any of the stories we covered visit our website to. free speech dot org dot com and you missed any of that i'd show you can now watch it in h.d. on a blue at hulu dot com slash and. also check out our two you tube channels there are links. you also find there all the different ways you can send us your food and

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