the definition is the systematic use of terror often violent especially as a means of coersion so by that definition is israel not responsible for terrorizing palestinians with house demolitions unwarranted arrests torture checkpoints psychological warfare and detention but let's backtrack for a second who is behind alger minor dot com who is said such nice things about me well i did a little digging it's parent company is a jewish media organization called the gershon jacobson jewish continuity foundation some of the benefactors of the foundation include the israeli ministry of tourism and israel bombs and it has been endorsed by senator joe lieberman york mayor michael bloomberg as well as gabrielle a shallow of the permanent representative of israel to the united nations so where am i going with all of this well two days after the r.t.e. office was bombed in gaza and email from the spokesperson for the israeli prime

minister's office alex cells he arrived to the head of artes in moscow branch no not apologizing for bombing r t but instead he gave an oddly valid threat where he claimed that our tease coverage is one sided regarding the conflict not only did he not apologize but netanyahu his own spokesperson basically insinuated that the r.t. station is fair game to be attacked because of the side we've taken in our coverage i guess this is their way of saying you want to cover gaza fairly well this is what you get unacceptable and despicable behavior coming from the office of the israeli prime minister look if you aren't convinced that israel's full on war against the media quite yet check this out according to a recent press release by the human rights organization a doll quote following complaints received about the intention of the israeli army to demolish the tower also called the journalist tower. gaza city this fifteen

story building which housed both local arabic international media agencies such as via crudes t.v. sky news france twenty four and russia t.v. was hit this morning the fifth day of the israeli military offensive name operation pillar of cloud local media sources reported that eight journalists were injured in the initial attack in fact idea of spokes person a veto of both even admitted to the press quote we obviously knew there were journalists in that building here's the deal israeli forces bombing media buildings and gaza deliberately whether or not they targeted r t we do not know but what we do know is that they have the audacity to try to rationalize it so why would they be targeting journalists unless they were trying to conceal the truth and for any israel backed media that attempts to smear my name this show and this network keep this in mind this is an opinion show and i'm entitled to my own opinion but the

facts are the facts and sometimes the truth hurts doesn't it. all right folks the thanksgiving holiday is upon us which could mean only one thing turkey pardon day this year president obama has pardoned not one but two turkeys cobbler and gobbler yes this bizarre tradition happens every thanksgiving where politicians pardon birds but what about people well today i want to talk about article two of the constitution which gives the president the power to pardon or grant clemency but do these pardons really right the wrongs of the justice system and doesn't justice really deserve a pardon me break it all down and more i'm joined by our two producer manwell. manning so before you even get into what the party thing is really i mean i just

couldn't help bring up my favorite act of parting which was sarah palin you know that famous gaffe or here she is pardoning turkeys all the while they're getting slaughtered behind her it's so hilarious to look at the video and it's. so i don't know if they're going to purpose or what but i mean seriously this this tradition is just so odd but let's talk about pardoning people talk about what a pardon it really does many showing a pardon is exactly what it sounds like it is you know you get to get rid of both punishment and guilt with a pardon so presidential pardons have been going on since the beginning of this beginning of the republic and the real question that we should be asking is you know if we're going to continue to do this pardoning process is it fair and the way to test that is is through transparency and so what we're looking at right now is that you have to look at it on a case by case basis so is the president pardon people out of an act of you know righting the wrongs of the justice system or doing the pardon as

a result of hey i may be a favor to someone that's you know contribute a lot of money to my campaign and so that's where you have to kind of decide what what's right or wrong but in terms of it being fair i think there are a lot of injustices in our justice system so it is necessary for this program. presidential pardons to continue but there is a lot of room for reforms and i think transparency is actually the way to go about that sure let's talk about some of the most notorious cases of presidential pardon for kind of political clout or political gain or like you said you know there are some sort of favors to be paid to talk about a little bit of those cases sure i mean i think that there's a lot of controversial cases when it comes to presidential pardons not all of them are controversial i mean there's been thousand since the beginning of the republic but a few that come to mind you know the iran contra pardons george h.w. bush the pardon. who was that secretary of defense caspar weinberger i mean this guy was directly involved with purchasing a weapon selling weapons to iran even though the congress had outlawed selling

weapons to iran so that they could find contra rebel groups in nicaragua i mean everybody came out of that scot free so that's one of the more controversial ones other ones including the president ford giving a pardon to president nixon after a white watergate scandal mean people were outraged this caused a lot of you know emotional people with the people with the american people and so i mean that's one of those really controversial ones as well in fact president ford's press secretary even resigned as a result of that the thing is that you know it's it's there's so many pardons that take place not all of them a controversial but some of them are going to be and that's the ones that we have to look out for and without having the transparency to do so it's really hard to know whether you are actually you know pardoning injustice like real injustice right right it seems like it almost a pit in my eyes the two tiered justice system where you have you know a massive amount of people who are low level drug offenders of course we're not getting maize enough you know obama came out and was just like everyone who's in

jail for having you know marijuana i mean you're pardoned yeah i've interviewed credible but that makes me think of that pro publica report last year which was talking about your you know four times more likely to get a pardon if you if you're white you're three times more likely to be pardoned if. have connections on the hill if you have connections with with the congressman and that kind of disparity that mirrors the disparity in our prison system in the united states has five percent of the world's population but a quarter of the world's prisoners so presidential pardons you know to be completely honest are very very underutilized to that to that end so yeah i mean like i said it mirrors the present the prison system in the united states where and it also mirrors the sentencing system it's been overturned but if you remember when it was crack versus cocaine you could argue that you know once a black drug once a white drug and the sentencing goes according you only have about a minute left but i just wanted to go over president obama you know of course you're not going to see him pardoning bradley manning or anything like that but i mean he has pardoned significantly less people than proportionately and terms of so

far in the administration why do you think this is i mean you're right you're absolutely right this is four years of obama there's been a lot less pardons than say under the bush administration or the clinton administration but i mean there's no i see no reason to think that president obama is any different than any other president we've had very and he's just not exactly the bulk of the pardons we're going to see at the very end the thing that we need to look out for is whether or not these pardons are politically motivated as in the clinton administration where he gave at the very last day of his presidency hundred forty believe all hopefully hours to spare you know it'll be interesting to see what happens thanks so much for coming on breaking it down and i. feel like we've seen so far go to our you tube channel at youtube dot com breaking the set answer scribed facebook page at facebook dot com slash breaking the thread you can follow me on twitter as well at abby martin and i'd like to take a break from my preaching but stay tuned to hear whether or not the t.s.a. security actually makes us safer next.

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look. for yourself or seen anything like that. so guys it's the day before thanksgiving of the day we all start daydreaming about the turkey the family and of course the downtime but unfortunately for many today represents something else the travel day from hell that this year an estimated

twenty four million people are expected to fly for the thanksgiving holiday and that means twenty four million people will have to endure the wrath of the t.s.a. the huge lines the body scanners the racial profiling and the unjustified scrutiny it's a hard pill to swallow especially when no one has ever been proven guilty that's right not one person stopped at the t.s.a. has ever gone on to be charged in connection with a terrorist plot and so it begs the question is it all worth it and does t.s.a. security actually make us safer to talk about all of that and more i'm joined by harvey professor of sociology at n.y.u. and author of against security how we go wrong at airports subways and other sites of a big u.s. danger harvey thanks so much for taking the time to join me glad to be with you so first of all i just want to repeat what i just said how it not one person who has been stopped by t.s.a. screeners has ever been charged with a terrorist act yet at the same time proponents of the t.s.a.

will say well we know it's working because we haven't been attacked since nine eleven that people are under the illusion that the t.s.a. is working when it's really not. well there's no way to prove a negative and in fact nothing has happened but it also hasn't happened in other places so there are for example lots of security mechanisms in new york and other cities in the country in new york with the subways for example have a huge campaign of surveillance. and see something say something campaign there too no one has ever been charged with an act of terror either through the m.t.s. programs or the t.s.a. has programs so in neither case is it very likely that any thing much has been substantially. stopped and harvey you point out your book that there are some other glaring security risks that we're not paying

attention to that could be even more serious and you mentioned this both in airports and other places can you elaborate on that well they're just trivial ones are mean they seem trivial but they're consequential things should go wrong so for example airport security. the great thing that's happening there is that the security gate is acting as something that assembles the actual target in other words there are more people waiting to go through security. often than will ever be on a plane and none of those people have it have been checked the same thing happens of course at check in there are various places along the trail in which the targets are have been created by the airport itself and the most remarkable one is an ironic is the security gate itself. do you think that the t.s.a.

is just security theater at this point. i think the t.s.a. a i think some people within the t.s.a. understand all of this i was able to spend hours actually talking to a high ranking people in the t.s.a. who had formally been in the t.s.a. but have left the agency they are very intelligent people and they understand quite a lot of these things in part they just don't know what to do about it that is if they don't go through all of this this way. then what are they left with and some political leaders in the united states and some other countries to debate end that something be done so at the airport as well as other places there's a kind of conspicuous security that must be done and being conspicuous is part of the recipe it's part of what is necessary in order to demonstrate that these

agencies are indeed doing something to protect us well one thing that they can do harvey is a lemon at the body scanners which you know don't work other countries don't use them because they don't work what do you think about those. again i think the body scanners and it's another theatrical aspect one of the reasons for the body scanners is that we respond to the last miscellaneous event however sort of oddball it was and most of the things that have happened. to people who have tried to attack passengers or a plane have been detected by the way by other passengers or by the by the flight crews and. most of those those people in other places too like again the subways they are a later found out to be not all with it in some cases just incompetent as as human beings and so they slip through the apparatus

with their with their objects and then we react by banning that object and finding new ways to scrutinize for that object and now we have these scanners which are also vastly expensive and of course the corporations that make them are only too happy to sell them to push their sales and to push the idea that the whole the whole. thing is effective and necessary and that their particular product is also necessary and effective. going off something that you just said you said a lot of these people who do try to attempt some sort of terrorist plot or bring these objects through are mentally unstable and stable and it does seem like after nine eleven harvey every ten for oil terrorist plot as have some have has had some sort of f.b.i. entrapment where the f.b.i.

. facilitates these plots and gives the people the bomb i mean do you think that any all of this is really being manufactured to justify keeping this thread alive and to enforce the security measures to keep people reminded of terrorism i mean like you said we're just going through this dehumanisation methods were first it's the shoes then it's the body scanners and what's next right it is it is a kind of militarization of civilian life and that just keeps on sort of creeping in there there been entrapment i don't know of any incidents of entrapment that have occurred at the airports entrapment certainly has happened having to do with. a legit or attempted bombing. operations in other parts of the systems in new york. and not at the airports or airport security so far as i know but but yeah these and

these. these intelligence operations by the f.b.i. really do reka of entrapment and they often lead to cases that cannot be effectively tried sometimes they are tried and fact some people are found guilty and in some sense they are guilty but the question is would they have proceeded with those activities if there had never been an f.b.i. agent who aided them on. and if you look at it closely you really see they are a dawn in no uncertain terms right why divisors check out kurt haskell's case he was a passenger on board of the underwear bomber flight going to detroit i think from amsterdam and he has a really interesting story about that he suggests that there was another case of entrapment that went too far really interesting case i advise you to check out what do you think though harvey about these viper teams expanding to bus depots railway

stations been an extension of the t.s.a. now put and even potentially word of putting body scanners past airports now. right weekend there is really no end to it we can because the see the targets are just infinite so right down right now if you walk out of this studio i'm in new york and go into any of our department stores again you will find a larger crowd of vulnerable people then you will find at the airport and so to really see this thing through we would have to militarize everything because i mentioned go in the department stores but the sidewalks themselves have throngs of vulnerable people and it just. goes beyond imagination to figure out how you could inspect all the people before they get near people who are vulnerable it just is

a impossible inconceivable kind of project and in the meantime it's going to really make a lot of people unhappy and miserable and that's one of the things that course this your segment began with is the mass misery that occurs at the airports and which potentially can expand out from the airports to other aspects of civilian society guerrier i mean where does it end you know movie theaters grocery stores i mean this could potentially go. on and on but you know as a sociologist how does this really you just said of course it makes people miserable makes them dread flying but really what is the security state the surveillance state how does it really affect the psyche of people living in this country. how does that i'm sorry affect the fact just the psyche of american citizens i see well first of all there's just the sort of ordinary psyche i mean one of the things we want to achieve in the pursuit of happiness in the united

states and something like it in virtually every country of the world is to have the day go smoothly when you go to the airport you're tense anyway most of us are due to my here in time on time what am i going to do when i get there how do i pack that i bring the right things all of these issues are making us tense and then when you face the gauntlet. people here in new york really yelling at you sometimes to move along and then all of that machinery and these very odd weird things you have to do put your arms in the air and you know like that and take off your shoes and put them in one place as opposed to another this is a massively intrusive and for many people especially difficult because there are all old people for example who have trouble with this there are people with one or

two toddlers that they're trying to manipulate and all their toys and bottles and all the rest of it so this is a high price to pay just in ordinary terms never mind anything deep about the psyche it multiplies out that is every think of how many people this affects per hour within the united states that's a lot of human happiness hours that have been sacrificed for what i think is basically an illusion and something that could be done much better even if your believe that the whole thing is effective so for example you could help people the people at the at the gates at the airport could have it as their job not just to. order your around scrutinise you go through your stuff but to help you out to hold a stroller to help someone get their suitcase up on the. up up on the

conveyor belt these are ways also of learning things about people including if they're up to no good i mean we all know if you are help a child get their code on you find out if they took the cookie because you feel it in their pocket and it's what we always we tend to think that security is always about control and militarization whereas sometimes you learn and you make people more secure by being helpful whatever novel idea harvey to be helpful instead of you know having this small and then i really is a lot of methods of dehumanization unfortunately are out of time really appreciate you coming on breaking it down harvey mileage thank you so much you're very welcome . a novel idea indeed help people instead of hurting them give instead of take after all is not the spirit of the holiday should be it's time we start watching out for each other instead of acquiescing to

a surveillance state that claims to look out for our wellbeing when instead it does just the opposite of happy happy holidays you know. we'll do the. dirty little sure but as the best and brightest take place gather in moscow some came to work well others came to play get up close and personal with devices that recreate masterpieces and scan russian treasures for. inside and from space to keep us safe from oil spills and forest fires a leisure gadget geek as i search for the next big thing in the computer world and russia's. going to take the fight straight to their creditors launch

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