today on our team in a world where plastic cards are good as gold a blockade by master card and visa could destroy a business with a single click now with weeks is finally getting a look at who put the credit card companies up to the banking blockade we'll tell you who was behind it. and we have all seen and heard about the unmanned drones and what they can do but a new report says that killing machines are only the beginning i had a look at the future of robotic technology and how it could change the face of the war. plus the black friday deals are over along with the wal-mart protests that accompanied them but what really came of all the consumer chaos a look at the big picture coming up.

it's tuesday november twenty seventh four pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching our t.v. well new details today on the fight against wiki leaks the n.t. secret web site has released documents from the european commission which show quote hard right u.s. politicians orchestrated the big blockade against the site the documents show mastercard europe admitting senator joseph lieberman and representative peter king were behind the push to cut off finances to the site both members of congress have publicly condemned wiki leaks. this type of hacking this type of cyber theft are really the terrorist weapons of the twenty first century and that's why we have to adapt that's why we have to use traditional legislation such as the espionage act but also i've called to have wiki leaks declared

a terrorist organization so we can seize their assets julian assigns it seems to me by taking that material and disseminating through wiki leaks says while at the espionage act of the united states of america i hope the justice department will soon indict him and that we will be able to extradite him from britain and bring a back to stand trial in the united states. also allegedly revealed senator joseph lieberman boasting that he persuaded amazon to cut ties with wiki leaks if you can recall representative peter king tried to designate wiki leaks a terrorist organization and how to put on a u.s. treasury blacklist but the treasury treasury excuse me refused saying there wasn't enough evidence to post wiki leaks on such a list but lawmakers worse successful and financially suffocating the website for visa and master card which make up a majority of credit card payments were blocked from doing business with the site meanwhile wiki leaks founder julian assange remains holed up in the ecuadorian

embassy in london hill likely be arrested and extradited to sweden where he faces questioning over sex charges if he steps foot outside of the building. well giving drones are controversial wait until you hear about killer robots these machines take warfare to a whole new level the robots would have a mind of their own meaning they could pick and choose which targets to fire that means humans would almost completely be detached from the decision making process and decide who should live and die now these killer machines don't exist yet but major powers around the world including the us are working on making them a reality human rights groups are now trying to ban killer robots from ever being used human rights watch is calling for an international treaty to stop the development and use of autonomous weapons for more i'm joined now by bonnie dougherty a of the international human rights clinic at harvard law and a senior researcher in the arms of vision of human rights watch bonnie welcome

so this all sounds like something out of a science fiction movie how far is this from becoming a reality. well most experts predict that within twenty to thirty years these weapons could actually exist and as you mentioned precursors are already in existence and deployed or in development around the world. now we've reported on a lot here at our table the use of drones and how they have become a key part of military operations these days now these the u.a.e. as they are they fly without a pilot on board what sets these killer machines apart from drones drones continue to have a human in the loop in that there is a person decides when the machine should fire with fully autonomous weapons or killer robots they would determine not only identify the target but choose to fire

at will as a result it is not a problem so much with the targeting but with the weapon itself ok so what would this mean in terms of accountability i mean if an autonomous machine makes the decision who would be held accountable. that's one of our major concerns there were there really could be accountability countability gaps for example the commanders are really held responsible for the actions their subordinates except for in a narrow circumstance that would not be applicable here producers and manufacturers would only be held liable if they intentionally design a robot that would kill civilians and punishing a robot this stage is absurd so that accountability gap would undermine deterrence and leave victims unsatisfied that anyone had been held responsible for their suffering could you talk more about what exactly these machines what they would be capable of. you know that they what it as we had mentioned they would decide they would fire on their own could they be able to distinguish whether or not somebody

surrenders are whether or not. somebody is. not a threat or i mean is there a big possibility of their making of these machines making errors that's our concern we believe they could not stink was between a soldier and civilian or maybe even a combatant or to surrender to one that has not and that is because they lack certain human qualities such as human judgment and human emotion that would prevent them from complying with the law in addition they would undermine non-lethal safeguards and would not show for example compassion to other humans and therefore their killing of civilians places that increases the burden of war on civilians now well bunny the argument in favor of such a mission machines and we saw we see similar arguments today. people that defend drones is that it's a it's military live because you're not putting soldiers there recklessly and

harm's way so if you look at it like that could that benefit could that be a benefit of this kind of technology. there could be a benefit and it's a lot of the goal to reduce the casualties among the military however we believe that the cost to civilians would be too high international law and practice is designed to protect civilians to the extent possible from armed conflict and these weapons use killer robots would place the burden on civilians in fact maybe make war even more likely. wow and i know your organization is really at the forefront of making sure that this doesn't happen can you tell us what human rights watch a villain to try to prevent this technology from being used well we've currently pleased to report this week and we are calling for an international ban on the use production and development of killer robots and we're also calling for national

steps to be taken until an international treaty is possible in addition and shows are starting to work together to. work to ban these weapons and so be interesting to see how things proceed in the coming months and years. what nations are at this point are involved in trying to move this technology forward while u.s. is one of the leaders in this development developing process others countries that have deployed precursors include south korea russia china united kingdom israel germany just to name a few ok and i mean this is unprecedented obviously we don't have anything like that from the battlefield. today how would this change of warfare as we know it. well over a revolution in warfare it's taking weapons a step too far in. dramatically increasing the burden of war on civilians

increasing the chances of civilian casualties civilians will always die in armed conflict but this case it's a whole new level in laos machines to make decisions about life and death do you think bonnie that you know we're seeing that the military is is always looking for new advances the newest thing right now is drones and even they are becoming more advanced and their capability yes i do think that it's just kind of inevitable that machinery and weapons and the tools that the military uses around the world inevitably that this is the direction it's going to go in that they're just going to become more advanced was definitely rection is headed in now but that does not mean the direction can't change for example in the one nine hundred ninety s. nations gather together to be in what is called blinding lasers before they even existed we would hope that states would continue to do this with killer robots the more nations invest in this technology the harder it will be deep to persuade them

to give it up therefore we believe action is to be taken now ok bonnie i guess lastly how confident are you that you could stop the development of this technology in the use of it for moving forward well it will be a lengthy process but we hope that non-governmental organizations will work closely with with states and governments and militaries to put an end to this development of this technology wow really interesting bonnie appreciate you coming on the show and telling us about this that was a bonding a dotard a senior clinical instructor at harvard law school's international human rights clinic and senior researcher in the arms division of human rights watch. thank you . well still ahead here on araa tavi a black friday deals are done thousands of wal-mart employees have hung up their protest signs and like it is getting back to normal body what actually came of all

this consumer chaos and is there a bigger lesson to be learned here that's our next. here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that we americans call i don't know. i'm sorry i'm just a guy who cares an awful lot of money you certainly are

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well black friday is over and keeping up with tradition chaos erupted in some wal marts one man died after getting into a conflict with employees a georgia man forty year old vital callaway was allegedly shoplifting when he was confronted here as part of the local news coverage. according to a police report obtained by channel two action news an employee put the name in a choke hold detaining him for allegedly stealing two d.v.d.

players the responding officer arrived in town the walmart employees on top of the report states that the officer called d.q. shoplifter but realized he wasn't resisting at all you know the good person but he just kind of brought in with us that's just what it was he had a problem with drugs he wanted her you want her he would tell you believed your husband's drug problem was what led to the alleged shoplifting. meanwhile the battle between workers and the country's largest retailer continues this after workers and wal-mart's across the country took part in a black friday strike they were protesting low wages and poor working conditions but wal-mart stands behind their policies and reports one of the best black friday turnouts ever so is there a cost to the rock bottom prices wal-mart boasts to discuss in more detail i'm joined by joined now by chris cox a campaign organizer at jobs for justice josh adelson salon dot com contributor and labor journalist. and also j.d.

to cheerlead managing editor editor for reason twenty four seven news welcome gentlemen. so josh i'm going to start with you wal-mart is downplaying the protests saying now they're touting that they have great profits how the protests accomplish anything. absolutely so we've seen two very different messages from wal-mart in the public from the beginning they've been dismissing strikes is dismissing the workers as a fringe meanwhile behind closed doors they've been paying workers to sit in mandatory meetings and be lectured to about why they shouldn't participate why they shouldn't get involved in the labor groups are wal-mart why they shouldn't go out on strike what happened is that we saw five hundred some workers according to organizers go on strike anyway despite wal-mart publicly saying they could face consequences anywhere in the world that you see people take a very risky action that could result in a risk to their job to their selves either you have to say all of those people are

crazy or it demonstrates a discontent that shared by many more people than what these workers did which has never happened up until last coordinated strikes at wal-mart stores in the u.s. has never happened as big as that happened on black friday is significant because it's part of a larger strike wave that's going to continue now chris i know that you played a role in organizing some of these protests and even participated in four of them you said yourself on black friday can you talk about your observations and whether you will whether or not you think the protests were affected i mean i don't think they're affected just because it's really changing the dialogue around workers france and how wal-mart impacts not just their bottom line and those workers but the entire industry of these with just six companies like wal-mart such trends that everyone follows whether it be a grocery store or target so when workers are speaking up it's being heard across the country which is why there are over a thousand auctions on black friday and one wal-mart downplaying the importance of

this i think everything just josh said completely right we're actually seeing a new america coming awake in this time period where it's coming off the heels of occupy wall street the heels of what happened in madison so workers are really willing to stand up and use their voice but wal-mart wal-mart is. being record profits they're saying they had a great black friday so do you think that the management there is being phased out all are being encouraged to change their way as well i mean it's definitely did into them and in terms of quarter profits we're not going to see how that really shoots up for a few more weeks so that's just a talking point that they've really been pushing and they've also said only fifty workers were on strike when we can actually track and show the numbers were much higher so the fact we're getting responses from them and that they're having to come out and defend their practices shows that they are listening j.d. i want to bring you there into the conversation when i ask you what you think about the protests across the country and how effective you think that they have been

with all due respect to a generation chris there's lines this week there that it's almost was essentially an effect of the black furred it wasn't so much for these protests not going to minimize the complaints of these workers they may well have valid reasons for being dissatisfied those who did well but a very small percentage was it will employees that just that are going to protest and overall the of the takeaway from this is that the focus for failure. you know what they the is the ones that did come out and protest they are protesting poor working conditions they're protesting low wages they don't want to ask you wal-mart . i guess and they definitely don't offer competitive wages but in the retail industry is there really that much lower. well for the retail industry there are about average americans talking about great wages and it's going to be going up on that on a pretty terrible rate wages for their industry even though they're pretty

competitive over old berta mom and pop stores full of people might tend to prefer at least some circumstances they have better avail better benefits because they have the advantage of the scale but they also. know god you just heard there from j.d. that. they pay average average wages and you know what some people are saying is you know if you don't like working there and you're not happy there why don't you go and work somewhere else for a country right or you could have said the same thing to people working in government sweatshops in the u.s. a hundred years ago you could have said that the people working in the auto industry in the 1930's wal-mart's wages according to i miss world are less than nine dollars an hour on average they may not be starkly different from the average in the industry but it's an industry that woman has created wal-mart has driven the entire industry in this direction there are other holdouts like costco but they've dragged even unionized companies down in terms of the wages and so we're talking

about a strike not just about a particular company but against the dominant player in our economy it doesn't have to be that way the most has a great report arguing that in fact you can have low prices without having such low wages but what we're seeing here is that wal-mart exerts an influence not just on the one percent of u.s. workers that work directly for wal-mart but on its suppliers on its contractors and on its competitors and those wages are wages that leave workers i've talked in the position of saying well this week i got my paycheck so i'll lend money to you and next week you get your paycheck yolen money back to me and each of us will have to decide each day whether we can afford to pay for lunch that is not something that's necessary in order to have low prices or in order to have an effective economy. now . despite all that chris josh excuse me. the people all wal-mart does employ

a lot of people so wouldn't it be better off for all those involved at least for the time being to have been employed instead of these workers being out of out of work. the workers that went on strike i talked to several of them he said i made a choice not to leave i've made a choice not to go somewhere else because we are living in a wal-mart economy whether or not you work for wal-mart they've made a choice to stay and fight to change the job so the question is not whether nine million people should exit the question is people's willingness to use their voice and what's up for debate here is not just how much wal-mart should pay whether in fact you should have to be in poverty to work there the question is also who gets to be part of determine. who gets to decide whether wal-mart should take a portion of its profits as it could be entirely. in raise everybody's wages for example as the most are used to twelve dollars an hour because historically when

workers have tried to participate in this process when they've tried to organize whether it's to form a union or to organize in a different way as they are now with union support workers have faced retaliation and so this is a question not just about harmony but about democracy also should workers get to get together and pressure the company to raise the wage floor without the response of having their hours cut or being faced with losing their jobs ok. j.d. i'm going to direct this next question to you because there was talking about raising the wages what do you think that would do do you think that would cause wal-mart would that make it so that they have to raise the prices in that case as we know many people with low income people shop at wal-mart because of the prices there are are much lower so. what the consumer ultimately suffers. well for that low point likely you know if it's under sara lee to rule out giving the workers higher wages there's nothing wrong with workers unionizing seeking

better conditions although we should note that they haven't. you think it's been trying to get wal-mart for years and yes women obviously doesn't want the men there but the workers have chosen over a course of years not the union they have the right to and if they if they have grievances and i'm sure that some of them do it they should try to settle this so yes if live or course go up that's a major course for them they're going to come out in the wash some place wal-mart's big bet of advantage of the market is low prices that's the average is that everyone knows them or there's low prices probably won't be so low if a major close to them or just to go out all right chris i mean what do you think what do you think wal-mart needs to change and can they make those changes and keep those prices that attract their customers can that all happen i want. it definitely can wal-mart's. so big and there's so much profits in it and the walton family owns the same amount of forty prove forty two percent of wealth but the bottom part of the country they are those six people only the money is then we live in this

wal-mart economy because they hold this money and they hold our economy hostage by setting these trends like everything that's been discussed one might could easily change its practices and make with everyone in the economy up and it would only cost forty two cents for every customer's trip in order for these workers to make pull dollars all right with the fountain gate what do you think the wal-mart family the wall and there are there read the ranking of the dollars and they should they share a piece of that pie with their with their employers. little rich yes they are but they go so fully conscious of the walton family just like you'd be able to raise every employee's and only wage but dollar course if you did that the company would cease to exist over the lives of members that typically. wealthy people do insist they make their money but this is not so as if they have a huge audience of the divine to make everybody in the country wealthy or these companies exist like wal-mart to sell to customers to provide something that most

wal-mart zero offer is a retail experience that low prices low prices don't come with the cost of it it said you know you have to keep the cost down low to. discuss their labor costs for an. interesting debate and appreciate you the three of you for taking part of taking part in it that was chris hex a campaign organizer at jobs for justice josh eidelson salon dot com contributor and labor journalist and also j.d. to tell a managing editor for reason twenty four seven news. oh pretrial hearings resume today for army private bradley manning he is accused of the largest security breach in u.s. history the focus today at the military court in fort meade maryland is expected to be on his treatment while in custody among other things that offense alleges manning was held in solitary confinement for twenty three hours a day and stripped of his clothing his supporters call the treatment torture and

the defense says he's already been punished the most serious charge is aiding the enemy and if convicted he could spend life behind bars well for now the u.s. government is not accepting a conditional plea deal one where manning would plead guilty to lesser charges but will revisit that issue later at a later date manning himself is expected to testify any time this week marking the first time the alleged leaker has spoken on behalf of the court over his part manning appeared in good spirits smiling and acknowledging supporters that packed the courtroom we'll keep you updated on all the developments throughout the day. well coming up next on our t. is the capital account with lauren lister let's check in with lauren to see what is on today's agenda laura and what are you working on there hi liz you know looking back after the financial crisis when the fed was printing trillions of dollars and made money free by reducing interest rates to zero there were many pundits a cap camp of pundits really who were talking about hyperinflation they said this

was the great threat that we were headed towards hyper inflation in the u.s. it was going to become the why ma republic zimbabwe but you know a funny thing happened on the road to hyperinflation instead of the dollar collapsing we actually saw the dollar index gain and we saw treasury yields instead of skyrocketing we saw them hit record lows so as we have become almost lol to sleep by the constant dint of warnings over the u.s. budget deficits and the fiscal cliff we thought it was important to ask whatever happened hyperinflation we talked to one of those hyperinflation is peter schiff on the show in just a few minutes right laurin thanks for that update but that is going to do it for the news from our in the stories we cover our you tube channel you tube dot com slash our team america our website our t. dot com slash usa and you can follow me on twitter at live the wall will be right back here in a half hour. technology

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