and launched their room service it's called social watch but uses the same methods and pursues the same goals as our going is ation because you know you so first we started this project walk away as an experiment and then we received support from the government this is a big achievement is there anything specific in your work in moscow compared to other countries. moscow's a big more than city when we first came here we saw a large number of homeless children and teenagers on the streets of course the situation somewhat improved since that time but i think what makes moscow special is that the problems of poverty and social isolation more pronounced here than in some other countries. as far as i know in false. is widely supported by the government by the authorities what about russia who funds do the authorities help you. the authorities know

moscow authorities have their own service now it's called social watch but. it would have been do you see where it is of course to support it. initially when we came up with this idea but we provided both funds and personnel for some use of moscow. but now the city hall will carry on this work. as regards our staff they will now focus on our next project. we are now going to university we want to deliver a series of lectures on fighting poverty do you have any statistics about the number of homeless in russia because because we did have very hard times in the ninety's in the beginning of the twenty first century but we believe that life is getting better in russia in moscow but as you say the better the live gets the more

helpless it is a true for me to want to talk to this is the same all over the world. countries develop this very development causes some for a child people to be left out it's ironic that is the general situation improves some french people are left out. i don't have an exact figure and no one can give it to you because it's very difficult to count people who are mean largely invisible to us but on the whole i would say that the situation has improved over the past few years because i mean do you work in other cities of russia are you planning to expand your operation. of course when you're doing something like that you would like to see it expand i have a friend and a partner in marsha famous russian doctor. he has been extremely helpful to me he thinks that this should not be limited to moscow and that we should expand this to all major cities in russia. of course it is much easier said than done. you

have to convince local authorities you have to come up with the funds you have to train personnel but we need plans to do this. in one of the. you said that. he should work very hard to try to be like the moscow bombs you like the home. off the russian moscow but was really different from there for from the people in europe from the i was in europe no matter what the no unfortunately not. when a person becomes a castaway he stops taking care of three things he stops thinking here about himself. caring bout time if you tell him to come back on tuesday for example he would have no idea when that is because he no longer keeps track of

time. and he no longer hears about peace castaways are culturally very different from the rest of the people. who could do in order to survive but that they have to rely on primeval methods. they told me that the french government. is sort of sponsoring. because they want them to be on the streets as a trademark after terrorists is it true is it true that their. thirties in paris want to have at least some clue how did it registered to be there as a lot of work to. give you a very cynical answer. you may see these people being treated at times with charity times with police but it varies. i think society is a freedom that the media may report about people dying in

a street in this will cause an outreach in people will start saying why isn't the government doing anything to fix this problem. you can always see this attitude to cast or use. is there a big difference between the adult homeless and. the children is it is it more difficult to approach the. yes there is great difference on the street children live in small groups this is the only way for them to survive if they give their. small groups and bigger children i'm actually dominate in these groups including sexual domination. and all children in those groups inhale drugs these children are ignored by everybody government bullies people on the street. but ironically these true journal are capable of over adapting to the life they

lived. through but let me explain books that you make speak preach the more they will live on the street do so the more they adapt to living on this street but the more they don't have to living on the street the less they can adapt to a living in society so it takes a lot of hard work to change that but still your chances with children are better than with adults because children's mind is more flexible when you science children don't take life seriously they think it's a game so if we work with them hard work patiently work on their territory i'm sure we can achieve something it is much more difficult for an adult to turn his life around whereas with children there is still time to do some psychologists say that being homeless isn't only a problem of having a family and not having a family and money sometimes people that can go off the streets they prefer to stay

something keeps them there they don't want to go back to the society why what is that keeps them on the streets this view that you're talking about. when you talk to these people about their capacity they often try to impress you and then thing it's for example let me tell you that they were in the military serving with the foreign legion and then their wife ran off with the mailman but if you take a closer look at these people you will see that all their problems started in the early age children they were beaten and raped kicked out of the house they didn't get a chance to properly develop as a person and later it is extremely difficult to make up for everything they missed in their early years often these people don't have anything they can return to them . and wants the job to to a living on the street it is very difficult to help them change their a lot of the book. says said he and the newly chairman and founder of

ops i moved to seattle international norm does a ship that helps people around the world including most spotlight will be back and we'll continue this interview in less than a minute so stay with us going to these. lines in motion would be soon which brightened a few more about song from finest impressions. whose friends don't totty dot com.

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a real threat to. the european extremists. on fault too. welcome back to spotlight i'll bring organ just to remind you that my guest on the show today is savvy and manually chairman and founder. and international an organization that helps homeless people around the globe. the u.n. estimates there are one hundred million homeless in the world under tons of those are children fifteen times more people live in poor conditions with no access to basic conveniences according to the united nations there's no country and those who are the right for ready could housing isn't violated the economic downturn has a new worsen the situation is growing unemployment combined the soaring rents have

been pushing people out onto the streets it is estimated there are around one hundred thousand homeless in moscow in russia there's little help from the state and those people have to mostly rely on themselves and charities one of the most effective is the mercy of the dix church fund every night it sends out a bus with medical personnel to the main railway stations trying to help most schools most helpless residents inside the bus which can accommodate up to thirty they can get medical attention and are simply kept warm then there is a renowned charity activist elizabeth the good doctor elisa who is not only helping those in dire need providing them with clothes food and medical treatment but is also raising public awareness of the scale of the problem by sharing her stories but means of her blog the moscow branch of the international charity so moosa seattle which was founded by dr emmanuel league has been operating since two

thousand and three it's making a big contribution by providing emergency medical social and psychological care to homeless people in the russian capital. they you are dealing with a lot of people in need with a lot of people that are having problems living literally on the street a lot of them are drug addicts and alcoholics and especially in moscow i mean we know that well what we see those people in the street and you really will would see somebody so among and among the people that are the real question asked of oscar is this an additional problem with other special ways to approach these people without wasting your time because they are different i mean the mentality of the personalities has changed is ruined. so yes you're right with the young people

you can still hope that they will evolve naturally as part of our culture is to expect results straight away. which we know that psychological treatment were required just ten or even twenty years to be effective. treatment takes a lot of time and. you know to help alcoholics you have to have a lot of patience a lot of tact and a lot of professionalism so you can't just tell them hey you quit drinking this won't work you do need to speak with authority but this is thorazine should be based on love not on coercion and then you can be effective in a help this person. you can help him rediscover themselves time space and especially the importance of every individual in society because these people are treated as nobodies and as

a result they themselves have no respect for others well when we were talking about the people that want to reintegrate into the society it suddenly occurred to me that the society actually doesn't want those people are you sure that this is let's talk about russia this is the russian society while those people do we want them back. on their quid nobody should be left out on the street this is the fundamental principle for me. and the more society develops the more opportunities it has to offer to homeless people. but ironically the better we are equipped to offer this aid the bigger the gap between this and the people who need it gets. you know people can express their need for a. weekend and hear them. it's almost as if we were in

parallel worlds. even if you want to help these people in your heart administering this how to use an altogether different matter it could be. well many people say that the russian society is less tolerant than societies in seven in some countries in europe you work here in moscow can you say that the russians in general are less tolerant than the europeans do to you know no not at all people who are all cut from the same cloth people are corneal in a compassionate especially here in russia. when you talk to a person face to face if you can turn that he has compassion for those in need i don't know any person who was indifferent to other people's sufferings why would russians be any different from other people it may be of course that russia is rapidly developing in such a reputably developing country people are often short of time this shortage of time

isolates us from each other but other than that people are the same all over the world because you see the reason they're asking is because many in russia say that the type of capitalism that we are building in russia it like the idea is that for example moscow is no place for losers this is the ideology say if a person says well this place is too expensive for me here we say it's no place for losers just get out there. do you think this is a problem in our society. suppose it was if you go to the us you will hear people there saying the same thing it's the same everywhere. i think there should be room in society for everybody including those you call losers no this myth about being a winner exists everywhere and the only reason it's more widespread in russia is because your country is developing so rapidly today this society in france.

do you some. feel when you work here do you feel the style giac for the way the french society treats treats its people of different kinds. she prepared you know i wouldn't say that. it actually. i see if we take a look at the past for example let's take the nineteenth century. there was some sort of social protection there. for example victor hugo this is what i want to go because you were you were. leading hugo since you were kids and it teaches you a lot. so victor hugo fought against four year old children working at the factories back in those days they didn't have the law that says that children under twelve years are not allowed to work for more than eight hours

a day but for interest aside you responded to the situation and gradually the labor unions made sure that there were certain rules in place first in the nineteenth century and then in the twentieth century but not every country has such history when dealing with these issues not like i think france is perfect but at least we have some history and i'm dealing with these issues so no i don't feel nostalgic about france i may feel nostalgic about the times when we address these issues better the problem with the since you mentioned the great french classics like through remember one of the greatest books let me see how you like to say that that poverty and misery are different things what what's that concept is what's so different between between poverty and misery between being miserable and being poor. remote i can explain it in the past everybody was

poor and except for a certain class of people most people who are poor but there were relationships between people there were connections there was a certain risk much with a certain territory like village for example when somebody dies in your family your neighbor would come and comfort you. poverty is not just economic or poverty you know addition to material poverty there is also in material poverty of communication you so you have social misery and economic poverty in these two things are not the same. so we need a society that will distribute wealth better when we need a society where people would come here for their neighbor and help their neighbor for example how do we treat our old people we send them away to a nursing home. in my home country corsica it would be outrageous to send an old person to a nursing home. our own parents stay home with us

this may be difficult but they are our family and they stay with us. or if your child has mental issues that you don't send him away to psychiatric hospital. after this plea to our ancestors that this was a warner but this has been lost today because we're leaving the cities and civilization has changed of course you know if you will nationally to this with you so so you don't you don't think that it's a paradox that that the great society develops economically the more. the greater the problem of poverty you think this and this is logical that this is the way the way it will always be in human society we can't do anything about it see what up on then we have to teach these things in school and in the family we have to teach our children to care for their neighbors we have to educate them about human relations for example we need to teach them to be nice to people to say

hello to them this may be just a ritual but it makes you feel comfortable when i say hello i sure respect and i show you that i want peace. i mean do without it but then i get paranoid what if this person is going to attack my guilty so it's just a symbol but it's important it's necessary but unfortunately our society nor knows about such things to be we should teach these things in school and in the family. but isn't the problem the very existence of poverty and the option of becoming poorer for any person isn't it one of the one of the reasons of progress one of the great things the stimulates social progress that people want to work and to fight to not to fall into into poverty. i agree that these modern beats people but this doesn't mean you should despise any.

of course it is important for us to earn a living to make money because we're not in paradise we can get what we need for free so we need money. if the but at the same time record before it's because we should respect our customs and ethics. it's that simple listen you were the co-founder of the point you know and when i was in africa twenty years ago i saw how your colleagues work there and i always wanted to to me say thank you for doing what you did but why did you quit what did you why did you decided to organize this thing what was the problem with. the book football makes us open to the doctors without borders was the first ngo to provide it. and he saw a crisis or the disaster or war and so on and pretty we started it. and i was a doctor and i saw how one textures disease smallpox and died. in new

unit but then another disease aids was born in me and he have to care for people you can treat people as if they were merely some organisms. you see people live and die because of those diseases thank you thank you massively enemy australia and just a reminder that my guest on the show today was really furious again manually chairman and founder of south moved to seattle international donors a sure bet helps helps people around the globe and one of the cocoa founders that's our cellphones and that's it for now for all of us if you want to have your cell spotlight or have someone in mind here think i seem to me next time to drop me a line of al gore not bad t.v. i hear it will keep spotlight interactive will be back with more focus on tom and what's going on and outside pressure until then fail party and take thank you.

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