well it's you know i take it that breaststroke you know it's the major investment houses that act as a bullion banks that are backstopped by the the western central banks that are basically their masters in the gold market they know they can trade in the gold market as long as they're doing what the central banks want them to and if they ever run short of gold the central banks are there to provide it if this is the case why is this anything to write home about i mean we hear about manipulation by high frequency traders using quote stuffing to make an extra buck we have central banks globally which absolutely. turnabout you made it your mission it's because it's the destruction of markets and it's the manipulation of the value of all capital labor and goods and services in the world what they are doing is is really to seize control of of everything

economic in the world and really surreptitiously behind people's backs it's a essentially tyrannical system that's what we're trying to expose and you think that the precious metals is the key to that because why because the central banks themselves say so there was a an academic paper written about thirty years ago by lawrence summers who was then a professor of economics at harvard and robert parsky a professor of economics at the university of michigan explaining the relationship the traditional historic relationship between the gold price and interest rates basically they found that the gold is a determinant of interest rates it's the determinant of the price of government bonds that's what the gold price suppression scheme really is about it's a it's a it's a mechanism of supporting government currencies of suppressing interest rates and supporting government bond prices and a little bit later i want to get into some more kind of the best facts or

circumstantial evidence that exists that support this view first i want to talk a little bit though about silver because silver market manipulation is something that has been it's been being in but it's been investigated by that the f.t.c. it's still ongoing since i had both of you gentlemen on my show last we have interviewed bart chilton the commissioner of the c.r.t.c. if you kind of think of when you think of this silver investigation he stands by his belief that said that something that the law was broken and of the silver market has been manipulated let's take a listen. certainly there were various actions and i believe violations of the law mean when people send you e-mails and say the price of silver is going to be smashed one day and then the next day it actually happens and when that happens repeatedly or maybe six out of eight or nine times. that leads you to question what's going on. why do you think we haven't seen more progress and this investigation and do you think we will ever see this investigation have

a result that's a government operation learn the c.f.d. so you cannot interfere with that i think they figured it out and this investigation will probably be resolved until the end of time or until the silver price breaks out nobody cares anymore based on what the when you say it's a government operation chris what is your or your best. and i mean i don't want to say smoking gun because i know that this is impossible to kind of calculate but but what is your best argument and you can you can go back to the coinage act in the united states that was signed by president johnson in one thousand nine hundred eighty five when he signed the coinage act removing silver from united states coinage he explicitly warned investors not to invest in silver because the united states the president said would disordered from its strategic silver stockpile as necessary to keep the price of silver down now a centrally silver price suppression has been the united states government policy since that signing statement in one nine hundred sixty five i believe you can find

that signing statement still at the presidential archives at the internet site of the university of california at santa barbara this is public policy silver is a currency it is more of a currency in history even than the gold is the united states government has a very distinct interest in the value of potentially competitive currencies ability you want to add something they look like you're trying to get in there but it's a great guy but he's won against four in the in the come out if you choose trading commission he's done his best to try to get this issue exposed but he's got a lot of people that are against it j.p. morgan is the fed's bank as chris said it's a government operation we know that there has been strong evidence presented against j.p. morgan and that it by lawyers and bart knows just what it is but that they don't know what to do because if they end the investigation because yes it's a government operation government operation to j.p. morgan we think the silver market's going to blow up delivery problems in the

months and years ahead what are they going to do when that happens if that occurs and they've said that oh that j.p. morgan has got thirty five percent of the short position and it blows up and then somewhat how down the road this occurs and they can't deliberate that's going to cause a major problem for them so they're in a dilemma you have to remember lauren the united states is. specifically authorized by the gold reserve act of one thousand nine hundred four to run what's called the exchange stabilization fund in the treasury department of the gold reserve act as amended allows the exchange stabilization fund to trade secretly in not only the gold market but in any market without any accountability to any other officer the government some to the exclusive control the president the treasury secretary nobody goes to the treasury department every day and says could you tell me if the u.s. was active directly or indirectly in the markets today but the law says you can look it up it's on the treasury department's internet site the law authorizes the united

states exchange stabilization fund to trade secretly in the gold market and any other market that the treasury secretary secretary decides he wants to get into but because we don't know exactly what's going on and because we don't know exactly what central banks are doing with their gold in terms of leasing and whatnot because it's all on one line item from what i understand the way they account for it there is a resistance to this discussion and i want to skip a couple questions guys in the control room to go to the sound bite i have a little further down from bloomberg where eric sprott a gentleman who i think you guys know because he cites your work we've had him on our show curious on bloomberg talking about some recent work he had done in this area was take a listen. i wrote an article recently questioning whether the western central banks have any gold left and we simply do physical analysis of the people that are coming into the bull market of the changes that have happened since two thousand you know as well as i know that this is part of the legend and the lore of the gold business

the gold bug business which is a distinct business from gold. you know but to a degree it smacks of a little bit of conspiracy theory and so he said you know so what else do you have to make people excited about. just wait us though ok i know your act but tell us why this is an important conversation to have despite the fact that we may not have . we may only have started samuel haven't we actually we do have a lot of proof in the last week got it disclosed what's probably our best proof yet this is a report to the executive board of the international monetary fund dated in march one thousand nine hundred nine in which the staff of the i.m.f. explained that it was trying to develop new rules for reporting central banks that would strengthen accountability the staff proposed requiring central banks to specify their gold swaps and gold loans so if you read the report you'll find that

the staff surveyed the west and central banks and found that they freaked out when they saw that the i.m.f. was proposing to make them disclose their swaps and loans this information the central banks surveyed by the i.m.f. said it was extremely market sensitive and disclosure of it would interfere with central bank secret interventions in the currency markets this is a report it says not for public use obviously we discovered it a week ago which posted on our internet site is that it is a confession it is a survey of all western central banks saying you can't make us disclose our swaps and loans that'll expose our currency market interventions and you know there's more from this too i want to get into after the break we're going to take a quick one we'll come back we'll talk more about the documents and have more with both of these gentlemen behind also still ahead more with the gentlemen and instagram some call it the west side now find out how the photo sharing site

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see where the bank of england and whitehall in on it because of conversations and e-mails went back and forth that made it look like maybe there was some agreement that there should be going on during the financial crisis between officials at central banks and the banks that were doing this or the people that were doing this but nonetheless we definitely know the bankers were rigging why wore the right together and jon stewart actually summed up this whole notion perfectly you know there are all these conspiracy theories about the world's financial system being controlled by six illuminati members in the basement of the vatican. actually just sixteen and then lunch but it's. and so now that we've had a settlement we just saw u.b.s. settle over live for and possibly will see arrests and dozens are evidently indicted in terms of the settlement but it's only been like so far it's not out at

all well we'll see charges but the number of people involved so i just thought this was worth bringing up because actually bill you were talking about before the show how a number of these conspiracies have actually gone on and come out of the way more things are done than not and this is the reason the mainstream in the big powers namely marginalized people that discover conspiracies like this like libel or like the you know their gold price suppression scheme because that's how they do their business so they try to mock people that bring this out i mean you don't even have to be in the financial world i i look at lance armstrong and his scandal with cycling this is just one guy who with his teammates and doctors and people kept going for seven years and of course you have a chance against what the guy did as great as he's done work on cancer and stuff i mean he was arrogant about it he said it wasn't the case well there was a conspiracy and actually that's pretty common. i want to get more into actual gold and what we know about central banks called holdings recently we've seen more gold

we the bank england we've seen we've seen the queen there they let this this professor and let's play a little to show our audience i've never seen so much in the season so much of any element it's so we're standing here and. it's got a ton of. which is worth thirty five million. sure it's worth a lot but that they were central banks is we don't know how much of that is leased out on loan or there's a correction not only that the queen met with the british cabinet today. the first british monarch to meet with her cabinet for community one and the videographer. with the chancellor of the exchequer she remarks to. george osborne you know she saw the gold at the bank of england the other day she adds regrettably not all the bars are ours. and more and replies well you know we

still have some that is the key question to whom does this gold belong how many competing claims are there to this gold we know the bank of england has been in the gold leasing business we know the bank for certain of national settlements is in the gold sales swaps leasing business you talk about conspiracy floor and when the when the board of the bank for international settlements which represents all the western central banks holds its monthly meeting they don't call you and say we're having a meeting would you like to attend when the g ten gold and foreign exchange committee meets so committee of representatives of the treasuries of all the major western countries when they meet they don't post a notice they don't say would you like to attend conspiracies by definition these are secret meetings of of government people in a national government people where they may take action bearing on the gold market in the world economy now why is it so strange to call this a conspiracy when they themselves insist on the secrecy well because i mean it's

fair but a lot goes on behind closed doors we don't know what the fat is you know doing necessarily that back on the scene minutes later and often times it's in fed's speak anyway so it are really exactly know it's going on but what do we know i guess for our audience members who may not know the role of leasing and the role of of lending on the part of central banks what role does that play and impacting the price and getting the price where it was only greenspan testified to congress and in one thousand nine hundred eight central banks stand ready to lead an increase in quantities should the price rise gold leasing is not what central banks sometimes pretend it is a way for them to make a little money on what they call a debt asset it is a mechanism of market control. it's a mechanism of defeating a potentially competitive currency it's a mechanism of suppression interest rate mechanism of supporting government that is historic record larry summers who went from harvard to become treasury secretary

the united states wrote the paper. what do we know as far as to what extent i know we don't know from central banks accounting how much are you saying what not that they have done or are doing but there is another i.m.f. document from ninety nine that you also your researchers found that does talk about it right well this is interesting because this is how got this started back in one thousand nine hundred nine when this report was written and then discovered we said the gold loans were far bigger than the establishment said they were we said in my frank my old friend and colleague said they could be as high as eight thousand times the establishment left as they said it was all wrong this report alone in one thousand nine hundred said that fifteen percent of the supposedly thirty two thousand tons was leased out or gone it's already been sent and sold in the physical marketplace and that's just what they counted so we were far more right just by this report than the establishment was of course when you tell about it they don't even respond they just go silent and i want to read we do have

a passage of full screen the part of that i am not from court you cited chris when they were asked about more disclosure of gold and it says central bank officials indicated that they considered information and swaps to be highly market sensitive in view of the limited number of participants in such transactions does they consider that the as d.d. asked which is that disclosure reserves template should not require the separate disclosure of such information but should instead treat all monetary gold assets including gold on loan or subject to swap agreements as a single data item and that's really what you're talking about. exactly meddling in the gold market because there meddling in the gold market all the time is part of the. general scheme of market intervention to support currencies support government bonds and suppress interest rates and gentlemen forgive me why should we care about an i.m.f. paper or two that came out and i read that was for nine hundred ninety nine because you can you can go to the central banks now lauren and ask them hey is this true

why can't we see your swaps and your leases what are you doing in the gold market a freelance writer in germany lars shaul has been putting these questions to central banks in the last few months and of course he pretty much gets the doors slammed in his face this is the whole ballgame they can't talk about it all you have to do is ask them specific questions in the scheme falls apart and quickly before we go guys i do have to ask about j.p. morgan's copper e.t.f. j.p. morgan of course is purported to be the manipulator of silver obviously not confirmed they haven't been convicted or anything as so many believe because of their enormous star positions but masters has defended should we be concerned about the impact of a j.p. morgan copper e.t.f. on bad market oh absolutely. potentially. a stranglehold in the commodities world the j.p. morgan the big agent of the united states government will have a big agent of the u.s. government sure their primary dealer and u.s.

government securities they have private communications with the treasury and the fed every day that we're not privy to that they are an agent of the united states government jamie dimon said that he did the fed a favor a way his bank acquired bear stearns back in the crisis so there's lots of their favorite going around other stars we'll see what he has to say when silver is on its way to one hundred dollars an ounce and they're all choking you will think maybe you'll do your end zone dance maybe go through that yet again with all of our feet thanks so much you guys for being on the show and i know you want to be here. ok let's wrap up with loose change and dimitri you know we haven't covered the

newtown tragedy the shooting at the elementary school which is horrible and in the wake of it we have seen a number of discussions about gun control gun laws if they should change what should change to avoid something like this happening again and also respecting the constitutional rights of americans have to bear arms here or a smattering of headlines but we're interested in talking about the business angle because we're seeing reaction from wall street to wal-mart so demitri kerber. others kerberos rate is awful no arrests no it's purpose capital. it's a private equity firm anyway they announced that they would sell their stake in freedom group which owns shares in bushmaster which is the maker of the rifle that was reportedly used in the shooting the company released a statement saying our role is to make investments on behalf of our clients who are comprised of the pension plans of firemen teachers policemen and other mystical workers unions endowments other institutions and individuals it's not our role to

take positions or attempt to shape or influence the gun control policy debate that's the job of federal state legislators there are however actions that we can take as a firm. obviously selling their stake as one of a wal-mart also decided to pull sales of bushmaster rifles from their website from online dick's sporting goods announced that out of respect for the victims they remove guns from sale near newtown and let's step back what do you what do you make of these announcements. when you think about the specific pulling the guns off. this is always like there's a political issue my this always happens every time there's a shooting i don't think the real problem we have is that people have guns obviously i don't think it makes any sense whatsoever to have assault rifles i mean why don't why you need those things and i'm not making a judgment on whether there's we should have been allowed to have guns or not but a larger point is i think it's pretty obvious that this is id as a whole is not very mature in their lust for weapons and explosions destruction and

murder well i think there's a huge problem in this country with guns well it is interesting too where it trickles into because one private equity group equity group is selling their stake idea book did an article about a number of others that are invested in gun makers i mean this is a business opportunity for people in general you know what kind of a culture is it where you can just go through wal-mart if you buy a gun. or a dick's sporting goods i mean that just shows the extent to which it is normal i don't say it's incredibly hypocritical in this country because the state has a monopoly on violence and exercise it with such reckless abandonment and we have drones flying over our heads so i think it's a crapshoot every way every which way i don't think the government's very responsible mature with weapons either it's a giant kill zone where the other so i just think that you know it's whenever these shootings happen and there's the major major i should be the obsession with violence and should be covered in totality of this in

a way that serious about what that obsession means more than when it's just at a tragic time we're going to have to leave it there we didn't get to instagram but go check out what they're doing because your image is not proprietary and that's all we have time for thank you so much for watching be sure to come back tomorrow in the meantime you know you can follow me on twitter like our facebook page watch us on you tube hulu and have a great night. kelly we can with knowing if somebody else can i say sell some of the. treatments that the consensus get a. chance to defend against that invigorating book mind. choose the stories get in your life choose the access to your office to.

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