terrible. yes we can't grok obama pledged to shut down guantanamo bay still rings hollow with more than one hundred sixty people held at the notorious prison without charge or trial eleven years after it opened. western media reports syria's uranium stockpiles may be at risk of falling into the wrong hands but some analysts believe the hives are just an excuse for an armed intervention. and they could catch the russian scientists are drilling deep into the un tactic you've got ahold of subglacial eyes which could reveal some twenty million year old secrets of our planet.

you're watching archie it's a pleasure to have you with us it's five o'clock here in moscow. it's one of the most notorious detention facilities in the world which has seen abuse deaths and hundreds of people held without charge or trial america's one ton of obey is still open after eleven yes we were obama extending the military's authority to keep the camp running despite his own pleasure to shut it down years ago and what's more calls to stop indefinite detention have largely died down in the us where even torture is gaining acceptability as gannett should you can explains. president obama's call to look forward not backward has resulted in attempts to sweep the past under the rug including some of his own promises i'm going to close guantanamo and i will follow through on that colonel morris davis was

a chief prosecutor at guantanamo under george w. bush and he later became a vocal critic of the practices there and strongly supported president obama's pledge to shut down the prison he says the perception of guantanamo in the u.s. has come a long way since two thousand and eight when he was a burning and highly controversial issue with a nation demanding action he gets a free pass on i mean the public largely could care less the mainstream media now here in the us. you know is more interested in car dash and then they are and what happens at guantanamo. so who's going to challenge it if we're looking for the biggest threat to america right now she's right there her name is kim carr does she and her america has moved on and so has its perception of torture post by the american red cross show the majority of americans now find torture acceptable sixty percent of young people agree whereas four years ago portugal's largely condemned

in the us. hollywood has arguably contributed to that evolution of public opinion. but there are thirty day. or trade the information that led to the capture. and killing of bin laden was obtained through enhanced was obtained through torture and in fact that's simply not true the actual information was obtained through a report based interrogation techniques the government classified everything related to its torture practices which allows politicians pundits and filmmakers the freedom to perpetuate all kinds of myths although a slew of washington insiders including the senate intelligence committee point out how torture has proved to be ineffective but in america it's often fiction not facts that make history this is more important than reality this is the movies where americans learn their history and today the history in the making is the

drone strikes this amounts to the administration executing people without due process often in absolute secrecy in foreign lands with a remote control but will obama's drones generate as much of a backlash as one tom old days when george w. bush that we've now got have a generation that only knows the post nine eleven era. where things like guantanamo and the warrantless wiretapping that's all they've ever known you know for decades now and i think it's just become an accepted part of life unfortunately judging by how the guantanamo controversy evolved here is what may transpire with regard to drone the urgency of the issue will subside in the u.s. because there will be no american for dying there will be no strong public movement . there may even be a movie or two out of the cosmological case the withdrawal and once the controversy dies down it will become the new normal and americans will move on in washington

i'm going to step. over the posse eleven years. a number of detainees who survived abuse within the walls of guantanamo have been released without charge compensation or even a simple sorry some who have to reveal the details all the deals to r.g.s. say the remaining prisoners are being totally neglected i don't know why i was released and others are not ok i mean like specially when you know that people have are not involved in anything and want to know more people who have been cleared ok i've the time i don't know what i was released i don't know if i was cleared or not really i don't remember but for today there are people who have been cleared and they're not out of guantanamo and i think one can but but feel uncomfortable and you feel that's guilt lingering in yourself that's why am i out there selling the memory of one thousand of course the very clearly because of what happened in. the mistreatment doesn't go away easily i think it's. it's kind of i think

in those create. and deep wound that will last a long years in the memories are very clear and when we talk about the economy these things do come back the people might have been forgotten and i'm still exists . you know it's very difficult to get the media interested into the story when this became infamous and existing you're hearing is important because every individual that is locked up in one town counts on the family. the messages that come from a sense to the world is a very disturbing and very serious message that has to be has to be. has to be like you know supposed unspoken against. all right stay with our two throughout friday as will bring you more reaction analysis and firsthand accounts on the grim eleven year anniversary of guantanamo bay. your borders and beyond the courts

eleven years on guantanamo remains open for business our team looks at the interrogation nerve center of america's war on terror but. activists in syria say islamic militants have seized a strategic helicopter base in the north in what's perceived as a blow to government forces it comes as u.s. and middle east experts say syria's internal conflict is putting the country's you radium stockpiles at risk that's according to a report in the british financial times newspaper that says damascus has up to fifty tons of and in. create five nuclear bombs syria was thought to be close to completing a reactor in the east of the country with the help from north korea when the facility was reportedly destroyed by three hundred seven the facility was reportedly dispel concerns that iran serious growth ally in the region might be trying to seize a stockpile points own nuclear program there also fit as

a series of chemical weapons could fall into the hands of islamic extremists meanwhile britain says it's not excluding giving military assistance to the rebels should the conflict orson but middle east commentator call sharon things a year when it may she is just another red herring. now there's kind of a sequence of chain of mists in our use that are being produced concerning chemical weapons nuclear or any i'm sort of the syrian regime there's a process of planning for the day off there are so western powers are in my zone and get i think they're buying up all these different reasons for them to step in and take control of starting tree a country should the top and i do want to start is that said now they're afraid that iran might get this year in humanitarian you know and in fact be conducting it now how should i somehow get so i think it's another in this long list of possible reasons for good us to our western states to intervene and it seems that there's

a lot of preparation for pretext for stepping in and should i start for and taking control of the situation including the u.k. when the u.k. government decided to run for that possibility so you see that there are multiple failures engaged in not process which is kind of really shocking the fate of syria could be decided outside this please continue. and staying with syria top diplomats from russia and the u.s. are now meeting with the united nations peace envoy lakhdar brahimi in geneva the main goal is to try and find a political solution to the country's crisis and end almost two years of bloodshed let's get more now from our g.'s you got a peace sign up. can we really expect anything tangible to come out of these talks . prologue are brahimi is once again stress that the only possible peaceful solution to the conflict in syria should be based on the agreements reached by

world powers last summer in geneva which call on both sides to simultaneously and immediately put their weapons down start a political process which includes forming a transitional government but the biggest stumbling blocks at the moment are first of all the feet of president assad the opposition wants him gone mr brahimi has been reported saying that there may be no police in this transitional government for him assad himself has been saying he's ready for dialogue with the opposition but he's not going anywhere and the second biggest stumbling block is the rebels the refusal to compromise in fact they have been saying that they are not going to take part in any negotiations while president assad remains in power so there are definitely things to talk about for russia's deputy foreign minister foreign minister and u.s. deputy deputy secretary of state and the international envoy on syria as they meet any sreenivasan of course we'll report on any details as soon as they come out of

this meeting the whole thing really will be able to find new ways to persuade both sides to put their weapons down as our cheesy go to peace cannot thank you for that update we'll be watching closely. no matter what's on special offer in the grocery store was eating well is still a luxury for increasing numbers of british families low wages and slashed a welfare mean food banks all even faffed to keep their children fed polly baikal has a story of those beneath the bread line. for this struggling mother it's a hand to mouth existence with the pressure of two hungry mouths to feed gemma receives has small shop assistant wage and to state benefits every cheese day someone's always up on a farm there and i will if you have far far more growth and i think there are. other five pound not much when you're living on the breadline one in five mothers in britain just like gemma regularly skip meals just to feed their children you want to make me feel you hear me all the time want to be how they should be in the

five but they can crush me but you know sometimes you just can't do it and you have to buy them seventy seven p. basic classes part because that's who you can afford for the single mother managing a tiny budget is turning into a puzzle that's harder and harder to solve we are seeing a lot more families telling us that they have to make this difficult choice between things like eating and heating putting food on the table or paying the bills part of this is driven by problems in benefit administration sanctions being applied often in appropriately that leaves people having to go to food banks food banks such as this one run by the trussell trust that charity first started working with abandoned children involved area but they switched over to the u.k. when they discovered what they call hidden hunger in britain three fruit banks open every week in the u.k.

now and then unexpected areas like kensington and chelsea where houses like these distribute store cupboard staples and tinned food to families that are in need of emergency provisions in fact over two hundred thousand people had to turn to food banks last year in order to get bread that's double the amount of the year before so if the sad dynamic persists food banks like these are going to have to get a whole lot bigger in order to feed britain's struggling families charities say that some parents are so desperate to feed their. children that they can sit just stealing has become such a reality that police have been known to take hungry shoplifters to food banks instead of arresting them a lot of people that come to the banks have stories which are really heartbreaking and we've had people coming to pick banks who've been forced to choose between eating and feeding their children and that's something we see very regularly just like gemma's over half of britons in published children have parents that are in work and the issue of putting food on the table eats up their lives on come from

monday. on a monday evening waiting to take the violence to others and it's one of example there is. it kind of controls you a little bit kind of takes over your lives because when you're going weeks and weeks and weeks in the small about you're thinking wow i'm going get this money and you say and i'm not i'll do a list like this is what we paid out this quote we played out like that leaves me that much for shopping in. it takes your thinking for myself awake and with the cost of basic necessities including food rising all the time gemma lives on a diet of daily struggle and worry about the future. seen london. britain's prime minister has also been slapped a with a second warning against walking out on the e.u. with both statements adding fuel to the debate within which is coalition government on whether the country should dozens itself from the union our report is just a couple of minutes away. so the afghan leaders are voyaging washington

is yet to bring clarity on the u. was troop withdrawal from the war ravaged country gere in twenty fourteen more analysis of that dilemma coming up. whether you dive from high or to the depths. catch the power of the wind or drift in the beauty of the currents. being well prepared is a must and if you're lucky. you'll never forget your experience really nice and a screen that's going to be heard and. see. below the ice on our team.

oh. you watching our team a u.k. exit from the e.u. would result in economic disaster for britain that's according to the chair of germany's european affairs committee the statement comes in the aftermath of the warning against bridges possible withdrawal voiced by a senior u.s. official on wednesday which caused a further schizm in the u.k. coalition government details now from artie's lawyer smith we've always known that

the u.s. prefers that the u.k. has a close relationship with the e.u. because when it wants something done it's britain that it calls this kind of direct challenge to the government over europe to the involving itself in internal bush's affairs is something a little bit new the u.s. is warned of the dangers of holding a referendum on europe for the u.k. and it has called for full out of the coalition government although that's not a difficult thing to do these days david cameron the prime minister has played it out saying it's just an opinion but nick clegg his deputy has said that it is a big issue that the u.k. is valuable to the huge us precisely because it has a close relationship with the european union and of course his party does stands against anything that distances person from the e.u. now i felt that the main issue for people here given that there's an increasing lack of support for britain's membership of the european union would probably be just that the us sticking its all in so i went out to us that they have concerns

and i can understand because they were saying we'll agree similar values today therefore we represent them in the european union and. they're clearly still a major problem and we have to take notice but equally i don't think the mystery fully understand how the union works the implications for britain. i don't think it is because i mean we're a different kind of you to them so you know i think we should make. a lot of people in the streets they're seeing it as a question of sovereignty now with me i said gerrard baton he's a member of the european parliament gerald we've always known haven't we the u.s. prefers that the u.k. has a close relationship with the union so what difference does it make now that they've said it out loud i think the difference here is that they're actually interfere in british politics i think there's a difference between you cannot send a country having a view about other country's foreign policy and stating that but i think this is a bit different this is a direct attempt to interfere in british domestic policies and they're trying to

frighten the british people by saying you know we'd lose influence and jeopardizes our special relationship and all the rest of it if we continue along this road of actually asking what's happened to our national sovereignty it's gone and we'd like it back and the polite thing applied thing i can say is president obama should be part. and become a big plan for referendum we're expecting this announcement within the next few weeks you'll be pleased about that what difference does this really make i think you'd have to be very naive to think if david cameron is sincere about this he's talked about a referendum but this whole thing about renegotiation is a nonsense you cannot renegotiate the terms of our membership terms of membership decided by treaty they have to be done by the unanimous agreement of all twenty seven member states and twenty eight soon when croatia joins you cannot renegotiate on a piecemeal basis and nobody in the european you other countries going to renegotiate our terms or allow us to because we're one of the biggest paymasters to the so the

u.s. is worried about nothing i think the american should mind their own business. you know what we don't tell them how to about their national sovereignty they shouldn't tell us which is the most precious thing we've got is the right to determine our own democratic affairs thank you very much at starbucks and talking to me about ministration expressing his opinion on the u.k. and i'm sure the e.u. . the u.s. and afghanistan have moved into the last chapter of the eleven year afghan war as washington's defense secretary sees it after in our discussions leon panetta and president hamid karzai announced they'd made some good progress but failed to provide any concrete answers to the debate pullout of u.s. troops from afghanistan afghanistan's future hangs in the balance because it's still unclear how many american soldiers will stay there after the withdrawal in twenty fourteen some crucial decisions like specter did after today's talks between the afghan leader and you was president obama but hillary mann leverett of who's

worked extensively with american diplomats in the middle east and asia believes that there's something completely different behind these negotiations. i think these talks are for the president and his national security principals to let afghanistan's president karzai down as softly as they can to let him know that unfortunately they're not going to make good on their promise to completely train. the afghan military and police before u.s. troops leave i think this this visit is about trying to let cars i know as nicely as they can that they're not going to make good on their promise to continue to defend afghanistan and train up afghanistan's military i think part of it is that president obama. after he agreed to surge the troops into afghanistan i think pretty quickly realized that he didn't realize even before the surge that there is no military solution for the united states in afghanistan and so i think in part the initial surge of troops by the president in two thousand and nine was to give

the united states some political cover to eventually do this troop withdrawal to show that we were withdrawing from a position of strength i don't think it turned out the way the president probably wanted it because the tolman is so clearly on the often but the idea that the president did his best he tried to send more troops it didn't work he gave it as we say in the united states the old college try and it just didn't work i think for an american population that is both battered financially and very tired of endless wars and occupations this is something that will basically go go forward without a hitch in terms of american public opinion. in neighboring pakistan security forces are on high alert in the country's largest city kharaj in a string of bombings of targeting shia muslims across the country has left at least one hundred fifteen people did sunni extremists have admitted carrying out the deadliest attack on a crowded billiard hall in the south west killing eighty one and injuring more than

one hundred twenty shia muslims are a minority in a in pakistan and are the target of violent attacks which have seen a recent surge and also in other world news this hour on. the un has called for swift deployment of international troops in mali following massive clashes between militants and government forces and a key central tongue french president francois hollande earlier voiced his country's readiness to intervene to hold rebel advances the security council has already approved a plan to deploy three thousand african soldiers in spring as long as it captured northern mali and have since claimed for the advances. the assassination of three female crew does activists in paris appears to be the result of an internal feud that's the suggestion from turkish prime minister tyee bedouin citing evidence that only people known to the victims had access to the building in

which the murders took place one of the three women founded from gunshot wounds was the co-founder of the kurdistan workers' party while fighting to gain independence from ankara forty thousand people have far have so far been killed in the decades long conflict between turkey and the kurdish minority. secrets from our planet's a prehistoric past could now be uncovered after russian researchers managed to retrieve the ancient eyes of from one tactic as the biggest subglacial lake was easy to get hold of by them they had to drill down over three kilometers to get to lake vostok which has been sealed for some twenty million years r.j. is dumbarton told me how it is not just an old frozen lake. not all ice is the same we can see some pictures here from last year in february when the first breakthrough was made down below this huge thick ice sheet to what's called

a sub lake there and some samples were taken here we go this is the the water taken out then. it was found then they hoped that they could sample that water and see the composition of what was inside that frozen lake deep underneath the glasses sadly that was contaminated they couldn't work out where precisely that water had come from now they've gone back down it again and they're looking three thousand four hundred six meters they drilled down as you can imagine a lot of work in very difficult conditions and now they have this amazing piece of as they described it white ice with rich with bubbles it sounds almost tastes it doesn't it doesn't taste it now we understand that it's been a russian team of scientists who've been there it's actually it's not an international team so what sort of things that they trying to find out from this water that they just if government yeah i mean you as a as i said earlier you may think ice is ice is ice not the case and it's a huge place here in tactic at absolutely so but what they think the scientists

think from this team and from other teams trying to do similar things with different in different legs is that perhaps this huge ice sheet for twenty million years has locked this underground. subglacial lake it's essentially sealed it off from the outside world and that means that if they can extract the air in those little bubbles they can try and form a better picture of what life was like on earth if there was so much of it around to that place twenty million years ago they may even be able to find traces of bacteria maybe even more complex life forms that would show as amazing insights into the process of evolution all that time ago. warren has got an eye on washington's money man and capital account after the break.

because of recent events guns have a again become a big issue all over the usa both sides are throwing their talking point ammunition back and forth and we hear a lot of conflicting stories well in australia they got tough on guns and crime went down but then again others say in the u.k. they got rid of all their gods and all hell broke loose i've heard stories that you are way more likely to be killed by a deer in your headlights than get taken out by a maniac with a tech nine but then again i've heard that soon deaths from guns will exceed even deaths from car accidents japan is safe because it has no guns but switzerland is even safer because automatic weapons are all over the place the information is all very contradictory but ultimately it doesn't matter what facts and reports you throw at the other side the gun question is a philosophical one some people would rather at least feel like they have their

fate in their own hands even if there is a chance they will shoot their own dog in the middle of the night and other people are so concerned with safety and are so full of fear for their fellow man that they'd rather disarm everyone and leave all the weapons in the hands of the criminals or have them legal or not anyways and in the hands of the government who was seems pretty happy to use force at home and abroad i don't know i'd rather risk the unpredictable actions of some idiots out there in society but at least have the ability defend myself and have some control over my life and a means to resist oppression but that's just my opinion.

good afternoon welcome to capital account i'm laurin lister here in washington d.c. these are your headlines for friday january fourth two thousand and thirteen in the stock market partying like it's nineteen ninety nine i don't know what explains the market gains over the last year despite the risks and arguments from some corners of central bank rigging and who's buying when so many americans have been pulling out will ask pete prosperities chris martenson and get his outlook for two thousand and thirteen zero and talk about this one. and see if it is. me to you shortly i want to show you. how about a trillion dollar magic coin solution to the debt ceiling a lot of guts plus after the fed minutes came out yesterday gold on.