tonight on our t.v. yes we can't barack obama's pledge to shut down guantanamo bay still rings hollow with more than one hundred sixty people held in the tories prison without trial or charge eleven years after the. western media reports seriously raynham stockpiles may be at risk of falling into the wrong hands but some analysts believe the excuse for an armed intervention. and a cool catch for russian scientists turning deep into the antarctic of gold of subglacial ice which some room say could reveal twenty million year old secrets of our planet.

good evening this is kevin owen figure being with us our top story hits one of the most notorious detention facilities in the world which has seen abuse deaths and hundreds of people held without charge or trial america's still open after eleven years with barack obama extending the military's authority to keep the camp running despite his own pledge to shut it down years ago what's more calls to stop indefinite detention of largely died down now in the u.s. where torture is gaining acceptability is going to teach you can explain. president obama's call to look forward not backward has resulted in attempts to sweep the past under the rug including some of his own promises i'm going to close guantanamo and i will follow through on that colonel morris davis was a chief prosecutor at guantanamo and to george w. bush he later became a vocal critic of the practices there and strongly supported president obama's

pledge to shut down the prison he says the perception of guantanamo in the u.s. has come a long way since two thousand and eight when he was a burning and highly controversial issue with the nation demanding action he gets a free pass on i mean the public largely could care less the mainstream media now here in the us. you know is more interested in car dash and then they are and what happens at guantanamo. so who's going to challenge it if we're looking for the biggest threat to america right now she's right there her name is kim carr daschle and. america has moved on and so has its perception of torture polls by the american red cross show the majority of americans now find torture acceptable sixty percent of young people agree whereas four years ago torture was largely condemned in the us. hollywood has arguably contributed to that evolution of public opinion

in the movie zero dark thirty day or trade the information that led to the capture and killing of osama bin laden was obtained through enhanced interrogation techniques or torture and in fact that's simply not true actual information was obtained through a report based interrogation techniques the government classified everything related to its torture practices which allows politicians pundits and filmmakers the freedom to perpetuate all kinds of myths although a slew of washington insiders including the senate intelligence committee point out how torture has proved to be ineffective but in america it's often fiction not facts that make history so this is more important than reality this is the movies where americans learn their history and today the history in the making is the drone strikes this amounts to the administration executing people without due process often in absolute secrecy in foreign lands with

a remote control but it will obama's drones generate as much of a backlash as one tunnel did for george w. bush and we've now got to have a generation that only knows the post nine eleven hero. where things like guantanamo and the. warrantless wiretapping that's all they've ever known you know for a decade now and i think it's just become an accepted part of life unfortunately judging by how the guantanamo controversy evolved here is what may transpire with regards to drones the urgency of the issue will subside in the west because there will be no american troops dying there will be no strong public movement to oppose the program there may even be a movie or two out in the coming a logical capability of the drones and once the controversy dies down it will become the new normal and america will move on. in washington i'm going to stop. well let's talk now to a corner as he was held in guantanamo what turned out to be groundless accusations

joining us on the line from germany by the face of it with us could you take us through what you enjoyed during your time in u.s. custody. here is it was. i saw. what i can tell you that is. the reason why they kept us in guantanamo and they're not in prison somewhere in usa the only reason was because. there is not exist any human rights. human rights and that's mean they can. investigate you in any kind. of art they like to so. they was for they if you are not a terrorist they want life to try to make you are terrorists in i should example i must say if i should agree that i am be a member of. that i did fight with taliban together against american soldiers between the war. and i should i should sign papers that i am be

a member of al-qaeda because they didn't have anything against me in their hand and if you was in the to make it to it. can i ask you what they actually did what they are actually took you in for in the first place what were the charges first. there was no or no reason for just the. pakistani people they saw through some dollar to americans. said this man he's a terrorist and very soon few months later they found out that i'm innocent and they want me that i'm going to sign papers they forced me to sign papers that i should make me that i'm be a member of al qaeda because because they didn't have anything against me in their hands and you're saying for you how did they force you to say what were they doing to coerce you to do that. they used torture techniques like waterboarding and electroshocks they sought after this i'm going to sign and agree

that i'm being a member of al qaeda and every time i refused to sign they tried another kind of torture they saw i walked one time and i know this is obviously very very painful to read for you to recall it all but i mean how often did this kind of thing go on i often did they do this to you. it was. there was beating us almost every day they were beating us up every day was kicking us that accept this they was giving us very less food so just just so much you can . survive. and in the same same time there was taking us to the interrogations. to leave interrogation that was beating us and forcing us to tell them couple things what they like to hear and. can i ask them what it what is the options can i ask more it isn't very often we get to speak the seventy's but

inside guantanamo that's why we're interested to talk to you we we do appreciate you very much being with us can you tell us the worst thing one of a better word that you saw going on there. example i saw. i had used to be just nine or two if you're sort childs and. i think it was the worst i saw. there was not better than us i didn't saw that they getting tortured but. to see children in the same camp it was bad enough for me. so i saw people the got killed on the torture the bigger portion of the. killed. i mean i have seen many things during this five years many thinks this is just a couple of those what about the office. looking after you there i mean you

obviously spoke to them at times did you did did you have a relationship with them of any shape or form was any of it called it was a bit friendly did you get ever get to speak to that did you hear their thoughts. now this. nor one of those responsible people. apologise for any kind of things never happened i think one ton of it was supposedly designed wasn't it to hold the most dangerous terror suspects in the world what were the other detainees like did you get to speak to them we held in solitary confinement or did you have again relations with any of the prisoners you were with did you get to speak to them spend any time with. i mean. you know how i said like you people like to offer a line or two they can't be a terrorist of course not and they i had met in a course they used to be just fourteen years old kids and of course there were also some people example. i have seen the foreign minister of taliban he was also my

neck well for a while and this guy he got released one and half year before before they released me. you know he's a free man and he never got charged for anything and they released him one of our few before i got released as a human being being put through this and we know no charges have been no blame has been found on your side at all how does it make you feel. the question how do you feel after what you've been through in guantanamo through no fault of your own how does it make you feel as a human being. of course nobody can be happy after after all this happened but. i myself am trying to support human rights organizations to fight against torture around the world not just going to normal. around the world exists more than more than twenty one secret prisons where people

getting tortured and guantanamo is just one of course do you hold any one wrist personally responsible for what you and the other detainees were put through should anyone be held accountable do you think. here's of course i mean george bush is of course responsibly for goes about not just him. and in my own case. he was responsible polled. here in germany and the american government soon as they found out that i'm innocent and even in the same time even they tortured me in the same time they asked the german government to take me back to germany and the german government at the time. the responsible guy refused and said be if you don't want them back with no reason for . what you think is going to happen now to the guantanamo detainees if the facility

does get close to where they're going to go or indeed where will they be taken. it's very difficult situation. the american go and government don't want them to. take them too to us and even even if they knew that most of them are innocent and. i mean the detainees even didn't like to be say i'm sure but. if some some other countries will be work together and takes those detainees this will be the only way to get them out although i guess just a final final quick question do you think enough of the american public are aware of what's going on in guantanamo. they don't know exactly. bad things are going they know

cutting. i mean stay with us two for the rest that they will bring you more reaction more analysis more firsthand accounts on the grim eleven year anniversary as it is now off guantanamo bay. beyond borders and beyond the courts eleven years on guantanamo remains open for business marty looks at the interrogation nerve center of america's war on terror. syria is now accused of hiding nuclear weapons ready to be unleashed at any time in

a few minutes we report on what some experts fear could be a pretext for intervention as the alleged atomic arsenal fulls on the western microscope. wealthy british style rolls and that's not on the right price. for the. markets why not scandals. find out what's really happening to the global economy cause a report on our team. is

he. activists in syria say islamic militants have seized is to teach you kill a cop the base in the north was perceived to be a blow to government forces comes as u.s. and middle east experts say syria's internal conflict is putting the country's you rhenium stock. into a reporter the british financial times newspaper that says damascus has up to fifty tons of an enriching uranium enough to create maybe five nuclear bombs so it was thought to be close to completing

a reactor in the east of the country with help from north korea when the facility was reportedly destroyed by israeli jets five years ago there are no concerns that iran has serious closest ally in the region might be trying to seize the stockpile for its own nuclear program it comes amid fears that syria's chemical weapons could fall into the hands of islamic extremists meantime britain says it's not excluding giving military assistance to the rebels should the conflict worsen let's get more on this from political analyst money shelby's jonah some a line. if these reports of syria's uranium stockpiles a true could that justify western military intervention at any stage do you think well there is no syrian officials that the an authority is denied that they have a nuclear program and in fact there is no evidence even the financial times report or the reuters report they do not confirm that there is this is actually there was a lot of suspicion that it was no indication. yes well there is

a lot of noise about it there was a bombing in two thousand and seven the israeli jets bombed the site in syria claiming that it is a nuclear site there was no indication yes the i.a.e.a. visited the site the i.a.e.a. said that there were traces of fuel rain you're of depleted uranium but they did not confirm that there was any quantity or at least you know this huge quantity that is being publicized i mean they're saying fifty tons of uranium this is this is i don't know where they come up with a number well i did some research and it appears that they came up with a number because they they they they are coming up with the story that this site that was there that was bombed in two thousand and seven would actually require fifty tons that doesn't mean that the syrians actually have fifty tons and that doesn't mean that the site is actually for a nuclear program that's what the syrian officials are saying well another part of this theory as well is that there are fears that iran syria's main ally in the region that you said could maybe get it hands on such stockpiles if they did exist

. that's not a risk that you see happening at all is it. i think if this is a bit ridiculous for whoever knows the region well and whoever knows the relations between syria and iran if this matter is really there will be like like it's portrayed in the media as if iran wants to get hold of the ukrainian in syria as if the syrian central government lost control over its country and its institutions and it's not the case at all what's happening in syria on the ground is that the syrian central government was able to control more than the past six months there is an advance of the syrian army and the syrian official police and they are controlling most of the country there are only some areas in the countryside where rebel fighters are in some areas in the countryside where the syrian army withdrew from these areas because they thought that these areas were not important strategically but over all the syrian central government under the lead. ship of president as that controls most of the syrian territory and most and

all of the sensitive positions and specially the positions that have to do with with weapons and there was you know you remember and i'm sure the viewers remember a few months ago there was this big noise about chemical weapons and about the number of weapons falling into the hands of you know or you know the syrian authorities losing your trial over these weapons and that was not the case the syrian government controlled says they could confront this and the even even the russians the chinese and the the iranians know very well they had adequate reports about that and they actually transferred these reports to the international community and i think this is all part of a whole media thing in order to actually as you said in your report to create a pretext to interfere more in syria or to put more pressure in order to for the government of assets to fall and that is an illusion now omar not happen what syrian government is in control while you're on the line there we've been hearing

that a senior rebel commanders being killed in retaliation for his alleged involvement in the murder of another rebel leader is that a myth and therefore that the opposition is united in my eyes this nicely isolated case or is there more to it is there are a lot of aggro between the different factions. well we've been reading several reports not just in syrian or iranian or russian or chinese media where we've been reading about this in british media in the in the in the in the independent in the in the guardian newspaper we've been reading about this in the in the new york times there are so many reports that there are divisions between the rebel groups there are some different factions that have different agendas different ideologies there is the strongest group among the rebel groups is a. which is a part of in fact it is the strongest armed rebel group in syria belongs to without it there would be any trouble i think the syrian army would be would have been able to actually you know end this this uprising and this is

a problem the problems which we between the different rebel groups are not just related to politics they're also related to you know these groups are entering civilian neighborhoods they are looting they are stealing so they are fighting over . property over the crimes that they are committing so this is this is also part of the problem it's not just a political issue it is that other issues in fact most of these groups have benefited from the chaos and from the situation to actually commit more chaos more and more trouble and loot and rape and kidnap and take control of government offices it's a situation that will have to you know the syrian authorities are working very hard to to control the whole territory but obviously it's difficult because there are many fighters infiltrating from outside syria there are many. a lot of money being infiltrated being pumped into syria to these rebel groups by neighboring countries especially by by turkey by qatar by other european and by the united states there

is a sponsorship of these these terror groups ok thank you for being on the program making your point so clearly pretty. shabby on the line from beirut. the united nations peace envoy says there could be no military solution to the conflict in syria and has reiterated the need for more diplomacy like me made that statement after meeting top diplomats russia and the us in geneva officials are looking for ways to end almost two years of bloodshed can often following those talks. the violence in syria has lasted for too long and a solution is needed first but according to international envoy on syria lakhdar brahimi met with russia's deputy foreign minister and the u.s. deputy secretary of state the solution could only be a diplomatic one and based on the agreements reached earlier in geneva they called both sides of the conflict to put their weapons down immediately and simultaneously begin a political process including forming

a transitional government one of the biggest stumbling blocks remains the refusal of the opposition to compromise in fact they have been saying that they will not take part in any negotiations while president assad remains in power while he himself has been saying he is open for dialogue but is not planning to go anywhere so there is an evident need for the international community to look for new ways to persuade both sides of the scaffold to stop the fighting and start this political process and when it comes to. he said he's not giving up and we should expect him to make another visit to damascus. secrets from our planet's pretty storage past could now be uncovered after russian research has managed to retrieve ancient ice from antarctica is biggest subglacial lake was needed to get hold of though they had to drill down over three kilometers to get a leg stop which has been sealed up for some twenty million years martin told my colleague to say it's not just any old frozen lake. not all ice is the same we can see some pictures here from last year. when the first breakthrough was made

down below this huge thick ice sheet to what's called a sub lake there and some samples were taken here we go this is the the water taken out then. it was found then they hoped that they could sample that water and see the composition of what was inside that frozen lake deep underneath the glasses sadly that was contaminated they couldn't work out where precisely that water had come from now they've gone back down it again and they're looking three thousand four hundred six meters they drilled down as you can imagine a lot of work in very difficult conditions and now they have this amazing piece of as they described it white ice with rich with bubbles it sounds almost tastes it doesn't it doesn't taste it now we understand that it's been a russian team of scientists who've been there it's actually it's not an international team so what sort of things that they trying to find out from this

water that they just if government yeah i mean you know as a as i said earlier it may it may think by society's eyes not the case that it is a huge place tactic at absolutely so but what they think the scientists think from this team and from other teams trying to do similar things with different in different legs is that perhaps this huge ice sheet for twenty million years has locked this underground. subglacial lake it's essentially sealed it off from the outside world and that means that if they can extract the air in those little bubbles they can try and form a better picture of what life was like on earth if there was much of it around to that place twenty million years ago they may even be able to find traces of bacteria maybe even more complex life forms that would show as amazing insights into the process of evolution all that time ago. i'm expecting a bit more about what the lucky to find coming your way in just a couple of minutes from washington it's laura listed with

a take on the world's financial headlines this is r.t. . because of recent events guns have again and again become a big issue all over the usa both sides are throwing their talking point ammunition back and forth and we hear a lot of conflicting stories well in australia they got tough on guns and crime went down but then again others say in the u.k. they got rid of all their gods and all hell broke loose i've heard stories that you are way more likely to be killed by a deer in your headlights than get taken out by a maniac with a tech nine but then again i've heard that soon deaths from guns will exceed even deaths from car accidents japan is safe because it has no guns but switzerland is even safer because automatic weapons are all over the place the information is all

very contradictory but ultimately it doesn't matter what facts and reports you throw at the other side the gun question is a philosophical one some people would rather at least feel like they have their fate in their own hands even if there is a chance they will shoot their own dog in the middle of the night and other people are so concerned with safety and are so full of fear for their fellow man that they'd rather disarm everyone and leave all the weapons in the hands of the criminals or have them legal or not anyways and in the hands of the government who was seems pretty happy to use force at home and abroad i don't know i'd rather risk the unpredictable actions of some idiots out there in society but at least have the ability defend myself and have some control over my life and a means to resist oppression but that's just my opinion.

good afternoon welcome to capital account i'm laurin lister here in washington d.c. these are your headlines for friday january fourth two thousand and thirteen in the stock market partying like it's nineteen ninety nine i don't know what explains the market gains over the last year despite the risks and arguments from some corners of central bank rigging and who is buying when so many americans have been pulling out the last peace prosperity is chris martenson and get his outlook for two thousand and thirteen zero and talk about this. i want to show you. how about a trillion dollar magic coin solution to the debt ceiling what is guts plus after the fed minutes came out yesterday gold humbled some are arguing the gold these is in general is shaken some gold traders according to bloomberg expect prices to rebound from the longest weekly losing streak in eight years here to talk about

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