oh yeah welcome to talk like me and fell on hard times. today my guest on the program is stella keating. we have a long history of fighting for power rights but however there are people who do have rights like all the others but com fight for them themselves these. statistics show that a great number of children around the world face the use they are abused and are the problem victims of abuse like everyone and five children in the europe alone faced sexual abuse so what is done and what can be done to protect those that can't stand for themselves we talk about it still likely i can you cite pre-op politician and the pace proper turn on children's rights. according to the council of europe clearly a hundred and fifty million european children experience some form of violence from

spanking at home to sexual abuse. children born of cross border marriages or for an addict i'm no exception but they also often become a subject of legal or even political battles protecting children's rights is something the council of europe has concentrated on lately twenty two countries including russia have ratified its convention against child sexual abuse. host hello welcome to the show and thank you very much for being with us today. well statistics show that one of five children in europe victims of some sort of some form of sexual abuse according to wolfe health organization world health organization more than fifty thousand children worldwide every year are married it well why such huge figures what's the reason for. well i for something wrong with

the statistics because a sadistic is a form of life as we say. in this case i think statistics are not lying in fact i think that what we're seeing is the tip of the iceberg child sexual abuse and exploitation has been happening for a very long time but we as societies have had a difficulty in recognizing it and in actually protecting our children the one in five campaign of the council of europe actually comes to put this number forward saying one in five children in europe sign some time in their lives possibly victims of sexual abuse i think this is why the name of the campaign is so strong because of the the numbers of one in five in fact it's a very well hidden secret and although the types of sexual abuse are changing that

we are faced with. it's still a secret that in many societies and many families is very well guarded so from the number of reports of three have. our concern is that the actual numbers. are much bigger the. best it is. at some stage of. the couple years ago to in turn parents in russia are having search with child i have at least twenty good friends does that mean that four of my of my friends are having sex with their children which i can't believe or does that mean then in other layers of society the number is five and it doesn't actually work like that with sexual abuse because unlike physical abuse which is from research seems to be related to some types. of pathology so

you have increased physical abuse in. put lower socioeconomic. families all where there are drug related problems or alcohol related problems sexual abuse can happen in every family. i think that one of the problems that we have facing not only of course the russian federation but all countries is that we don't have registries which give us the right amount of evidence that we need to understand this phenomenon so in many countries you have the numbers and you spoke about statistics that you get from the justice department list then you have a set of numbers from the healthy part to put all these together to have a national registry so that we actually know what we're doing they go all over eighty percent of child sexual abuse is not what we like to believe the perpetrator from outside the family it's from within the child circle of trust

may not be a parent it could be a teacher it could be a friendly neighbor and it's more difficult for us i think as society as adults who care to actually understand that sexual abuse in children most often is coming from someone the child knows and trusts this is the goal of the council of europe is one in five campaign is to promote the convention on the protection of children against sexual exploitation sexual abuse rape how can the convention prevent adults from abusing kids because what you're talking about means these are sick people the adults are sick people so do we care about conventions. my brother is the curator of the rules sometimes the they they

won't care about conventions but states and governments which will care about implementing it i firmly believe this is one of the most important conventions that we have as leaning here you have to persuade states we will have the other states we'll hear about it we all have to work together to make sure that we change legislations in order to protect our children this convention is the first international. instrument that actually criminalizes all the sexual behavior of adults against children so what it comes come to do is it works in three levels it puts down prevention policies prevention means how do i raise awareness how do i teach my children how do i teach my society families what they should be worried about what they should be looking out for heart why teach children to say no what do they say no to there is protection so if

i have a child that is abused and comes and tells the teacher or the parent or someone else in their circle what do i do to protect them and then it has how we prosecute the perpetrators so i actually criminalizes a lot of the behaviors that so far we weren't looking at grooming of children on the internet. so many children use the internet so many adult paedophiles now access the internet and come in touch with children and groom them towards possible abuse child pornography. across country. travel sex tourism children we were discussing in the meeting that we held here in moscow how often it is that adult paid of piles leave their own countries and go to other countries believing that this will allow them

to avoid justice and then in the country that they go through society trusts them they don't know them they set up a school or an often age which allows them to come into contact with children states need to work across boundaries closer together to protect children well let's have more facts and figures of child abuse right now report pro spotlights here in the media. international studies reveal that approximately twenty percent of women and up to turn percent of men report being sexually abused as children the topic has recently got into spotlight in the u.k. with investigations been carried out into recent abuse claims concerning to be presented to miss several in care homes in north wales statistics from the us says their report on child abuse is made every ten seconds in russia the country's main children rights defender are the last reported an increase in children becoming

victims of sexual abuse from point a half thousand in two thousand and three to seven and a half thousand in two thousand and eleven the twenty first century has offered new challenges to those who try to protect children the digital underworld offers gigabytes of child pornography to paedophiles who create online communities and can easily produce their victims under disguised identities another acute issue these days is with the granting more rights to adults can harm children a government that would run marriage ended up for the right to same sex couples created huge controversy in france among other things. it would also replace the entries in the child's registry book from father and mother to parent one and parent to discover three objects it. is like they want to eliminate the existence of a father and a mother with this new law that needs to be a father and

a mother i want to take this out of them it was a deliberate reality really pursued along a mass rallies against those who have taken place the controversial bill the always supported by french president francois hollande then the socialist party. to win that plan within the year of common into office in may two thousand and twelve. do you think these people have a point i personally or do think they have a point because one of the rights of the child is to have a family and to have a mom and dad so isn't isn't it really right to give the right to two to. gay and lesbian couples to have children to adoption i don't think the child sexual abuse or child abuse is related to the rights and gay and lesbian i think it's a totally different issue. there is absolutely no evidence that.

sexual abuse in children is more evident. or has anything to do with gay behavior or homosexuality not abusing but depriving them of the right to having their moment it. doesn't deprive them of the right to have a mom and dad i think that what we are discussing here are the rights for. l.g.b. t. couples to to have. a relationship to have adoption of children and i think there is a huge danger with people relating this to abuse there was a lot of discussion in some countries when it was thought. to those who actually abused children tended to be mainly men and tended to be mainly homosexual men it is true that more men are perpetrators than women. but it is

also true that more victims are female than male although there can be both and even where they are boys who are victims there is no evidence that this has to do with sex or with homosexuality i was interested in the report it said that there is an increase in the number of children abused in russia and i was wondering if there is this is an actual increase coming back to your statistics or if it is an increase in the reporting if it is because like many other countries russian services russian society are listening more to the cries of help of children and so we're picking it up more so so it can be argued is to be paced up with on children's lives spotlight we'll be back to sleep after the break so stay with us we're going. to. get.

deadly rivals for decades. if you had fifteen thousand people killing each other in any other country there would be diplomats there would be mediators a lot of. self-imposed out costs from society i will cut myself am i going to tax my brother understand i don't want to imaging i'm in awe of going to basically attack the

columns of my anger and my frustration. that. stuff well into the dome. two of the most violent gangs in u.s. history. is just all modeled kill or be killed with the colors matching the national flag. but this country uses violence when it reaches its and then it legitimizes the violence they are made in america on the ati.

walking back to spotlight i'm now going over just to remind my guest on the show today is still here kitty aqib is the pacer operator on children's rights still at well you mentioned this situation russia you mentioned the conventions the laws you mention the internet well russia has recently adopted a controversial legislation aimed to protect children and teenagers it was discussed all over the media many people strictly gears to the idea is to allow authorities to block websites with certain content including child pornography information drugs etc etc what's more important freedom of speech or protecting rights i think i think there is nothing more important than actually protecting

children's rights i think what is happening in this case and i know it has been discussed at the council of europe is the question is whether we block the websites or we we delete the content if you block the websites then another website will pop will pop up so possibly it's going to be more effective if we're actually deleting the content rather than blocking the website i think that's extremely difficult to do russia also recently october of two thousand and twelve signed the convention for the protection of children for child abuse and child exploitation this is very important. we have so far twenty two countries that have signed. and i think another twenty three that have ratified from signing to implementing there are many steps that need to be taken by any country to change the laws to be able to actually put these programs into place so russia has made

a very important russian federation a very important first step the one in five campaign was launched in march of this year. in russia. but we still have a long way to go if we're going to be able to really protect children. especially against these new ways that are reaching children including the internet there is evidence that almost seven out of ten children accidentally while surfing the internet can go accidentally into a child pornography site that's how widespread it is so by blocking you are blowing to block the ones that you have access to now but there will be more appearing in a minute it's more about raising awareness parents being able to understand not allowing your child to be surfing for hours on the internet locked in their room

without going in and seeing what they're looking at so that you can be part of their journey on the internet. as a result of this law adopted russian you know all over television whatever you want including included commercials of autumn of miles all. in a new washing paradigm it's a twelve worse sixteen plus fourteen plus all that you know i remember when i was a kid and this thing was in movie theaters we only went to watch movies that was sixteen plus we loved the if they would little suit we watched it over the fence in summer theaters so isn't this sort of an. advertising the movies putting in sixty plus for the kids but it's you have to have some sort of protection and regulations it is true that usually for especially adolescents whatever it is forbidden becomes more of the activity but i think we need to have a balance and we have to need to have a commonsense balance and where we are exposing children to forms of violence or

sexual behaviors that is inappropriate for their emotional development and could impact on them then we as adults need to put. and i believe that when it's promoting human rights everybody has

a responsibility in that i don't believe that by putting a figure on a screen you do away with your responsibility for what you're going to show it's not as simple as that. on the other hand we do need to understand that there are forms now of child sexual abuse and exploitation which are changing so quickly that we really need to be able to keep up with them so you need.

patients the the case is now true in national scandal the russian side so the finns are biased well do you think it's really probable that the finnish so social workers are abusing their authority do research the example of course they have. of course there happen and whenever you have cases of serious sexual abuse or physical abuse it is it is a physical yes the father was richard they said this is physical abuse while it is it has been documented in england as well that there sometimes an overreaction by services so this is about having very good training of professionals working as teams so that you minimize you minimize the number of times that you may be overreacting to a situation it can happen but believe me the number of times that this has happened

is far less than the number of times that abuse has gone on reported and children have died are reported and children have died from it. it's not only in finland we see it on all the countries your documentary previously mentioned the situation with payments people in the u.k. it's a huge case running and has run involving famous stars who were abusing children people chose not to see. i think that we need to be extremely careful we need to be very responsible and to be sure that we have very. a lot of expertise in our professionals who are dealing with with these cases do you think we can really draw the line for the rogue and thirty nine year olds between between preserving discipline and. rights while they

should i mean this uncertainty that exists it may be me lead to more abuse. i personally don't believe that there is uncertainty i think human rights are very clear children rights are very clear that physical abuse is not related to discipline. discipline in children and especially in adolescence is gained by respect and by trust. and fortunately many parents believe or feel that they will enforce discipline by using some sort of physical punishment but there comes an age when the child is just much alder for them to do that in plexus eyes that kind of discipline and they won't be able to have any sort of trust or respect with their child if that is the kind of discipline that they have enforced i believe that children and adolescents

need discipline they need boundaries they feel safer of parents say no and mean no but i don't believe that any type of physical punishment will in the end result in discipline i think that's where a lot of families go wrong. last question with me to a couple of hours to answer boot oprah for sure because we were like have a minute i personally would prefer my kid exposed to what he can see in the manual in the famous movie then to being exposed to the christie and the violence he watches in the news there are not rated every evening do you agree with me. i would prefer children and your child not to be exposed to any type of inappropriate violence on television and you are absolutely correct sometimes the news which has no band on it is exposing children to inappropriate types of violence but i

also think that children should be protected from a lot of other scenes which are happening. children not smaller thank you thank you very much telling just a reminder that my guest on the show today was actually do thank you for the time and the opportunity to talk about this kind of thank you thank you stella once again she she's the pace. of the rights of children that's it for now from all that's your sportbike will be back with more comments on what's going on around the world until then r.t. and take your. thank you thank you very much it was a pleasure was it took a. week

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