continues and a year ago everybody predicted also to fall soon immediately now we are well and of course we were told he has to go right ok i find really interesting every time someone like hillary clinton says this person must go some most of the time all the time they go eventually and sooner or later we are but that can. take much more time so for russian diplomacy was a very important issue in two thousand and twelve and certainly will remain this year. so i think the very important and quite a troublesome area will be continuation of building up your asian union because it seems to be a real priority for russian leadership but of course we shouldn't underestimate trouble spiegel inside this limited circle of countries not to talk about some other who we expect to join we just heard that the syrian crisis isn't as important

in the russian foreign policy in russia was severely criticised last year and in this new year for its policy toward syria warranted oh well i think they're out there in the last few months starting change why didn't i think so i've noticed it is no. because for example the brazilian president comes here and she says the chip reshapes russia stubborn position well china has been supporting russia all alone. well i think so basically the brics countries are starting to have more and more dollars about the western stance on syria and i think the reason is obvious the west was gearing up for a week no one drunk choking on drama in syria they expected you know the good people to chase out the evil dictator ok maybe a few deaths maybe a few people right away well the good. people are the people from the east and when you must free syrian army no one knows who they are but was my point well it was for him. it was syrian national council no wait syrian national coalition of

control never called terrorists mark go ahead tell even want to know in the last year you were all terrorists and nato they commit terrorist acts i think the tone has changed also because what we have seen is that the western media which has done a very good job of preventing presenting an extremely black and white simplistic cartoonish. good versus bad narrative of what's going on hasn't been able to conceal the atrocities the sheer bloody atrocities that have been committed by the rebels and they can't hide the true nature of the conflict any longer which is an ethno religious conflict the fact that this revolution has always been a sunni and not just a sunni but they will harvest sunni because there are plenty of cities that actually support the government. and this is a sunni sectarian and jihadist jihad us from around the world from the united states japan china as well as

a little bit at least yes many from libya they have the senate and it is that against the shall we say the secular sunni population the alloy the christians especially have been terribly persecuted even the through and the kurds even have it's a war of survival for them in many many ways but russia is consistently take an international law position but that doesn't get out into the media very much does it. russian position is actually very much misunderstood in the west. everybody believes that russia sports. and as many. russian diplomats say no we don't but no one no one believes in fact russian position is very simple it's not about it's not about syria it's not about the middle east it's about to prevent the league build more build believed and precedent to become

a model for future settlement of local conflicts. of a couple of months ago when they said that that's was the key core of russian position. not just a question of the regional conflicts in the regime changes but i would say also and i'm sure you would agree with me also a question of the entire international order and we're talking the basic fundamental principles of the united nations charter so i state sovereignty not interference in domestic affairs and these of completely vanished from the western government and media lexicon they don't know because it's humanitarian interventions right that's sounds nice right well it's about other guys the problem is that there is this core to me and so the west was gearing up for a melodrama with we can't i didn't want a tragedy without in that during the whole year to be frank with you i was tormented by western television stations which ask me every two weeks when is

russia going to adopt us out eighty moved by the russian government any phrase by a lover off or by his deputies was interpreted as some movement of russia in that direction so well finally sort of an opposite movement happened and a lot of debris he me obviously revealed a plan which was rushed and united states have and which is much closer to russian view of the situation well there's really i mean are you going back six months is any way of course. exactly then the stations were so surprised and they gave their ask me the same question how do you think it indicates changes in the russian position well likely russian position didn't change during the whole year edition question is the only one that didn't change. but what also shows their expectation of this what you're saying is the presumption of this quick regime change and of the right to do it and i would say the duty to do it and to do it quickly all over

the world they expect the assad government but isn't it really naive to assume that because which is say for example assad just simply leaves this is situation on the ground change i mean if it's a sectarian conflict exactly and that's why i believe there is no intervention because actually the initial stance was we do it the proximate as in libya but now even in the west and even the neighboring countries like turkey people understand it's too risky too dangerous finally it will not change anything can disappear everybody's human being who knows what happens but it will not change situation because those who are behind here they are not behind they're really as you as you rightly pointed out they are more afraid of those who can come than all of us as dictatorship many are extremely unhappy with him but they see it is a lesser of evil you know i have i'm only when i read western media and watch

western television you know they always say russia's last friend in the arab world and what kind of influence does russia have in syria with syria and in the region again because it looks to me it's taking a principled stand here i think it's a loss leader overestimated russia's influence in syria and their moment of russian support for syria's are already asking me that and i kind of the stand why because things didn't want to go according to the west and scenario so they must find a scapegoat. why is he still there ok probably russia supplied him weapons or gave him my knee i read stories about russia actually sent in cash and printing money for us but i think there is a deeper problem behind it you know obviously and now that obama is coming to power with mr brown and as the chief will say we're going to have more drawn appropriations where when to have united states more involved in the world but at the distance not saying troops like bush did it by probably keeping people by drones so the problem is. how accurate are these drones going to be if the west

miscalculated in syria i mean we're even in russia we see how big it has a tremendously distorted picture of russian reality you know we human deem it is a way that put you in the new caravan and stuff like that so there is a less and less trust in the united states as the full force which has technical capability to kill someone in yemen or enough to gain a star in pakistan thousands of miles. away from american borders how accurate is they thinking about the drones sincere a don't believe it's possible because who you will target. in pakistan i can understand it's very damaging for united states but i know who the who they try to strike but in syria there's a lot of this experience was sort of chaotic where there was no front plane there so i don't believe that the united states of the bomb administration will be that

eager to intervene in any form i'm afraid they're going to kill people on both sides because there are many possible terrorism suspects in that position and i think what you gentlemen are all green here is that never works out the way you expect to go just asleep point my background of the u.s. military a veteran of six years i have to say that i actually american drones have been operating over syria syrian air space and have been for well over a year and that's been documented in. western press as a well as the syrian and the russian and everyone else has the intelligence gathering capability of these and they're passing on of this information through this amorphous branded free syrian army that should not be underestimated for the military but in the sense that the of that for many of the advances that we've seen on the rebels are particularly in the north and rural areas of the country i would like to come back to a question of does russia have friends you know the middle east i'm afraid it

doesn't but i'm pretty sure this whole while there's me relations with all countries and i'll talk to everyone in the region the problem is that this is the revelation of this year he's not going to be a friend of the united states under the new development and i think it's a travesty when my cane and dean say graham accused susan rice of misinterpreting what happened the in people that i wanted to call their own article in washington post where they said that we should talk all also because if we don't don't topple him we're not going to have syrians as good friends as believe me i saw all right and then i'm going to i'm saying here we're going to go to their west coast you know after that short break we'll continue our discussion on russian foreign policy stay or. leave please.

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so. welcome back to cross talk i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're talking about russia's foreign policy by gentlemen at the end of last year secretary of state hillary clinton warned about the resolve it is ation of russia and the post soviet space want to go through all three of you your reaction to that. hillary clinton was a. secretary of state recruited because of domestic political reasons it was actually a coalition of ministration and obama had to do it due to situation democratic party. and i must see she was very much disciplined secretary of state she basically fulfilled the policy formulated in the white house but now what i can see

you know sharing on the fact that qaddafi was murdered when we came he died yeah that's that was actually the position of many in the states. probably along i think you are the most himself but but in the russian issue. the reset wasn't he were equally into this idea but she was off to work on that as obama wanted but no since she leaves office shit would say what she really believed and i was not at all surprised because the hillary clinton comes from ninety nine two years as a politician and at that time that was actually the main goal so we see that they were views are very consistent but you know that saying the recently does ation of russia i mean and it is i'm left speechless such

a retreat into such false historical analogies such a sheer cold war dog i was shocked i literally shocked the senate a little pleased as well because of what that will force russia to do with v.v. the united states but. we might as well speak of the reed knots of occasion of europe as the e.u. the return to manifest destiny with nafta and the japanese co-prosperity sphere with the asian pacific economic community i mean this is sheer absurdity and. i have socialist tendencies myself but the call the eurasian union and what russia is today the result of unification is so far from the truth in a couple of sentences what is russia doing in its neighborhood this is a very natural in this world the globalized neoliberal fast moving twenty

first century world regionalization this is a natural tendency economic and political defensive tendency we see it occurring all over the world europe is the pioneer after the united states south america mirka sore. the eurasian union is only natural because of the cultural the historical the language the infrastructure. and actually it's largely for security reasons to the well there's a way as you point out it russia doesn't want to recreate the soviet union because the soviet union cost russia a law school and i do you see really that would be the previous speaker because i didn't find anything new in that statement i don't think it was a full back into cold war because i've heard such statements in the ninety's as. a year which is full basically it's an official same official position of the united states well what does it come from demon i mean is it because it's because russia is a threat to or well as it is and get in line arms from a very simplified version reeducate and the simplified version of reality leads to

a lot of mistakes for years the united states has been sinking thinking that the source of authoritarianism in all the post sort of countries is they are still good legacy take the old people wait you know take the old soviet officials said wait replace them with a new lead. you're going to have a democracy well we see now with more and more facts revealed evolve saakashvili that you can break with your soviet boss you can actually destroy three hundred georgian history that sort of connected you could ukraine it is well yeah you can destroy all your pasta and still be all storytelling i would add russia not playing the role under the putin government not just of course he's only one person but the entire russian government that has emerged over the last ten years they're not playing the role that was assigned to them they were supposed to surrender their

sovereignty their independence become an appendage to europe in the west and this was supposed to form a a euro siberia at block which would help rise the counter of china they know they only have ten to fifteen years before they can't interfere as much as they could in the world russia hasn't played that game they've they've they've maintained a semblance not complete and then over and so you've been demonized for doing and then i think. version over it is not only bad for russia ben falloon states because well let's see chain of disappointments you should go was a disappointment saakashvili was a disappointment why do have all these disappointment ok they say that there are russian agents operating there well i'm afraid the reason is this simplified version of reality these countries can have dictators will they rule they don't need to come back to the soviet union to become a third area but let's talk about the reset because this is what is on the in the in the news right now my theory is this and agree or disagree with me there was

never a reset it was just a way for the united states and russia to start talking again ok that's what the reset has really been about because i don't see how russia has benefited all over the last four years in its relationship with the united states the research was. yes the show by the end of two thousand and eight by the. bush rule our relationship was at the worst stage since maybe earlier on the reagan time and of course it was completely unacceptable and we should be grateful to me to be a different obama that they brought relationship back to workable level s. for e set aside it wasn't a policy it wasn't actually complicated but to limit the trade off. russia and united states identified couple of. profoundly but the little bit and the result was positive what we said his over reset was two thousand and eight two thousand and twelve because the two countries have to talk

to each other they have things they common issues that they have to deal with i would draw a little bit of exception with what you said that there were there was no reset there was a limited reset and it was a tit for tat trade for deals and out of it the united states got russian cooperation on afghanistan. a limited form of at least dialogue on iran and north korea what the united. russia got out of this deal was the united states and the west stopped direct coverts if you want to call it the medic on conventional warfare as the united states military manual calls it interference in the countries of the near abroad the former soviet union that they call the revolutions in georgia and ukraine which have fallen of their own accord in kurdistan as well what do you think that's a fair trade off i mean they failed a. lot mail but the for the u.s. could have been pumping much more into these countries economically militarily

politically in order to support them they backed off that after the end of the bush years i think that was the real trade off of the reset but i think that's about the end. well i think from the american side it reminds me all day long and well told. it was organized by a pragmatist by nixon and it was completely destroyed jimmy carter who was an idea look in the united states france and falls over russia you can on divide them by party lines. democrats are not pro russian oil and i russian republics are not for arsenal and russia the real dividing line is between pragmatists and ideologues russia is not a threat to the united states russian elite wants to be friends with the united states i would say almost desperately. and you know reset was a prick made it seems russia is not a threat why waste so much money trying to be admit its potential and basically

it's coming to an end because even though wait a year of obama's administration it was getting more and more ideological i think the war in d.v. a was ideal what you call it didn't bring any fruit to assume that this is the sort of is there is even there is going to be probably one more hostile to their resume in egypt so there's going to be more i want a car xander because i disagree completely i think russia is a huge threat to the united states not to the united states or the united states citizens security wise secure no it's security wise it's no threat to the united states it's a threat to the uni polar vision of the western uni polar vision of the world it's a threat to us in germany it's a threat to the us being able to exert political military economic influence in different areas of the world that's the threat that russia presents to the united states and russia is in that case the biggest threat to the united states in the world china has the capability but not the political will it's part of their nature

as an elite they're all engineers within the pullet bureau they don't they don't they don't have that aggressive combative attitude russia has some semblance of the ability. increasing after having faded but they have the political will where no other country in the world has been reading my notes multi-polar world if you think russia is being vindicated slowly but surely that's the path that the world should take because when you look at major foreign policy initiatives the united states they're always backfiring there's not one exception of a success in the last ten years. my view on international development is actually much more gloomy both for russia and for the united states because we we can talk about hegemony which is all we're basically we can talk about multiple auriti which you know it's accepted by everybody including co bob in this no you use the united nations when you need them you don't need it you do steal it you use it you you

without. russian veto. in about libya i would say anybody would try because iraq everybody learns lessons but anyway it doesn't matter because developing this absolutely unpredictable chaotic yes exactly united states. gets more of damage because united states is much more active but even for russia i think the major major point to you we can see. articles oh it's absolutely impossible to understand what's happening let's be cautious and that's he blaming states for you know want to give you the last word in the program how are we going to see mr obama and mr putin meet after all of the things that are said about putin well i think that on the russian side there will still be

a hand outstretched because as i told you the russian elite wants to east wants to be friends with the americans the problem is that it was not accepted back in the ninety's and even now and the whole conflict inside the russian and what we see now in the media you know with the state and time again needs to beale's and other things this is basically a fight of two groups within the russian elite one group says do everything that they want the other. fascinating discussion thank you very much all right we have run out of time only thank my guests here in the studio and thank the viewer for watching us here r t c a next time and remember cross talk. more

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