marvin in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture. the head of the n.r.a. says guns are our god given right is that the mainstream belief in the republican party will ask our panel in tonight's lone liberal rumble and as millions watched the inauguration on monday republicans in virginia snuck a gerrymandering bill through the state senate how do we fight back against this is salt on our democracy and stop republicans from rigging the twenty sixteen election .

he did know this so wayne la pierre says that's. the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally in and invested in a plan of absolute protection the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun so by extension the n.r.a. is solution to too much gun violence in america is to increase the number of armed people in america especially in our schools after all what could possibly go wrong . well in response to newtown a school in michigan hired a retired police officer and firearms instructor to be that school's armed guard to use the public boy's bathroom and left his gun behind where it could be found by one of the kids yes they two men got into an argument at lone star college in

houston one twenty two year old carlton barry is alleged to have pulled out a gun and started shooting and only somebody else in the room we don't yet have the details fired back at him in the crossfire a school janitor was shot and another person is reported to be a student was also taken to college students packing heat on campus after all what could possibly go wrong. well here's what could go wrong america with five percent of the world's population has a quarter of the world's civilian held guns and we have almost thirty times the rate of gun violence of any other developed nation ten thousand die from shootings every year in america and twice that many people use guns to kill themselves more than once a day in america child accidentally kills himself or herself or another child with a gun a gun in a household is more likely to be used for homicide or suicide in that household than it is to shoot somebody trying to break into the house the president calls for background checks and somehow wayne la pierre thinks that means a national gun registry all the have the president hasn't called for such

a thing i am when we figured out in the one nine hundred twenty s. that cars could go fast enough to kill people we began regulating them first was stop signs and traffic signals then with the registration of the cars then with the requirement for liability insurance and then with proof of proficiency to drive through a driver's license you want to give your car to somebody or sell your car to somebody you have to transfer the title why do we do that with a five hundred dollars car and not with a five hundred dollars computer because the car can kill somebody in the computer and now wayne la pierre and his paranoid frenzy thinks that doing something like treating guns the same way we treat our will lead to taxes or taking them away. he wants to put every private personal firearms transaction right under the thumb of the federal government and he wants to keep all of those names in a massive federal registry. there's only two reasons for

a federal list on gun owners to either tax them or take them. first of all once again this is a straw man that pier is like here is throwing out there the president has never suggested a national gun registry but as i said i am and of course if there's a cost to society of adding all these guns. like with cars and a cost to maintain a system of registering like with cars then perhaps there should be a small tax to pay for it i don't hear him being all hysterical about having to pay a title transfer tax when he sells his car or gives it to his grandson runs are not a gift to you from god they're expensive devices manufactured to kill people and other living things as such they should be well regulated not taken but regulated we figured out sixty years ago that doctors can kill people so now we register them their license their insured their regulated cars can kill people and so they're registered licensed insured regulated to not register license insure and regulate

firearms is to not learn from both history and experience countries that register license insure and regulate firearms don't descend into tyranny they just have far far fewer homicides and particularly suicides than we do particularly those committed with guns it's time for america to join the rest of the civilized world because we now see all too well what could go wrong if we don't. are you ready to rumble joining me for tonight's long liberal rumble are judson phillips attorney and founder of tea party nation and dan bongino conservative commentator and former u.s. senate candidate from the state of maryland thanks for joining me guys thank you both heard my rant. and here's wayne la pierre talking about the god given right to guns. president obama who wants to redefine free to live the

way freedom and infringe upon the freedoms that we the people reserved for our selfs. their god given freedoms they belong to us in the united states of america as our birthright no government gave them to us and no government can ever take them away. you know i musta missed that book in the bible i've read it cover to cover four times but somehow i never read the book away now where the burning bush you know you have the right to have firearms with multiple you know large high capacity ammunition clips i don't know dan what am i missing here i frankly i'm being tired of told by men prone to human error what i need and don't i am a law abiding patriotic american who loves my country i think i have some credibility on this issue having been a secret service agent a police officer and handled weapons responsibly for seventeen years i think it's

a very reasonable conversation to be had about gun violence in this country that needs to be had but we have this conversation and i soared in your monologue that you're assuming you get to pick the place where violence is going to be god forbid brought upon you you don't tom nor do those kids in newtown it is determined by the person who has that gone and that person's got we're not going to obey the law he doesn't care i never arrested someone in seventeen years who had the gun legally i could have carried a gun off duty on planes i didn't i'm not a member of the n.r.a. but we have to get past the fact that you seem to assume that you're going to get to choose the time and place where violence is going to be drawn upon dan you're your mind reading skills aside i'm not i'm not making that. my i actually you know i didn't raise the issue of assault weapon ban or high capacity clips but since you bring it up no we could none of us could have chosen that but if that kid didn't

have high capacity clips available to him there might have just been two or three kids dead instead of ten in all. guarding the lobby may not have happened at all well there was not a charge of columbine there was an armed guard. armed guard at columbine save lives and reduce the violence if you look at the behavior of a column i ran in the other i know no no that's totally inaccurate but if you look at the path ology of all these incidents these mass shootings they all have one thing in common they're soft targets the shooters go there with the knowledge there is unlikely to be anybody there who is armed why if he was happening anywhere else . define anywhere else well any other developed country in the in the world every other developed country in the world has sensible regulations on guns and that doesn't mean that they don't have guns canada has more guns per capita than we do but they have sensible regulations and so there's we we do for hunters by the way you know hunters you know honey you can't eat like a duck plug you know you can't have more than three rounds i mean and hunter say yeah we'll do that that's sportsmanlike what's what's wrong with you know regular

away you know having some regulation of guns we regulate free speech you know you talk about high capacity magazines best sign i saw recently is you need a high capacity magazine because it takes more than three shots to take down a rapist. what yet is to somebody's head and one of the protests i thought was great you don't come on just and dan you're a police officer or you were a police officer i went through the georgia police academy and you know what i heard was that in a fire fight if you can hit one out of five shots you're doing pretty damn good the reality is secret service agents carry double magazines thirty rounds each day you have sixty rounds secret service agents some of the finest shots in the world if they need sixty rounds why would you think a soccer mom in oklahoma where the police are thirty minutes or a needs ten my point my point is that in a crowded environment if somebody is going to try and take out a shooter the odds are well as happened yesterday in texas right you know two of

the three people who were shot were some were bystanders doesn't isn't this again an argument for reducing at the very least the. male abilities clips we band machine gun you back in the thirty what it took a generation to wring them all out of you're not here's the point you're trading magic for fact for magic here there is no such thing you are only read i agree with you one hundred percent if we could retroactively close pandora's box reduce the human propensity for violence and make gunpowder disappear i think every human being on a plane would say you are not living the dream and you are all for why we have a different murder rate than canada or you are england would have answered her many years with everyone is mandated to have a gun but actually them everybody's managed have a gun in switzerland and the vast majority of them are held in local militias they have armories but then there was a jerk a hold of their in their homes there was there was a referendum about two years ago to require the militias to hold them in armories and the people voted that down they the swiss they still have they actually have a are almost as if it was it doesn't matter here let's let's say they're all are

why aren't they shooting each other like we are because we have a serious cultural infatuation with violence that due to the power of hollywood is being conveniently hollywood movies are watched as as avidly in switzerland as they are here and really i would strongly debate that the video i get all these movies are doing are again by the way while a video games are you know outsell on a per capita basis in japan than they do here in the united states and japan you know you can even you can get i read you wake up p.d. a page very impressive i see of a background in psychology i did two years of graduate school a nurse psychology a correlation is not causation but for us to ignore the fact that our infatuation with cultural violence may be playing a role however small in these in some not by putin i'm not disputing that i'm just saying i don't think the correlation is causation either but let's look at the rights reaction of modest gun reaction mitch mcconnell in an e-mail to supporters

as you and i are literally sir out of the garden grabbers in the senate are about to watch it all on a solo site about iraq odd freedoms our rights i don't recall anybody. saying grab guns again the president just called for background checks dianne feinstein probably tomorrow is introducing her bill she has said publicly it is her desire to take all the go but it's but that's not in our legislation not this time you know the ad was an incremental you know i was supposed to i don't really was there nor what somebody says and she's not the only one i mean there are a large number of liberals i don't believe first of all i have i have never seen a actual quote from that feinstein saying she wants to take away everybody's guns before he said it confiscation was. the new york ok well you know i think that that is political suicide for a politician and it's largely beside the point we should have no regulation has been any to this ever war some nights alone liberal rebel writer but.

let me let me i want to know what let me ask you a question. here on this network and this is where we're having the debate we have . the the truth is this is just a bad thing there's again we're in this race we're being i think we talk about surveillance. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything

you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture. here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that we americans call a donor. i'm sorry i'm just a guy who cares an awful lot about my country you sir are a fool you know what kind of my terrorist cells in your neighborhood all want to give us a the future is on the on the liberal and the christian point kills. confusedly the voters. are going to support you to distract us from what you and i should care about because they're profit driven industry that sells a sensationalistic garbage he calls it breaking news i'm happy martin and we're

going to break that. if. joining me tonight are judge and philips and dan bongino and let's get back to it first of all quick question i asked you a couple of weeks ago you were on the show judson and i don't think i've asked you before dan but i try to ask everybody who's friends in the republican party why did the republicans in two thousand when george bush took over the party flipped the star in the republican logo from the american star which is around this the all-american on the flag start to the satanic star the upside down star with the goats horns and ears and engine you know you have asked me that question several times i've asked friends of the g.o.p. and i've not been able to get an answer the only thing i can assume is they did it

in his in anticipation of john boehner and his freshly laundered white flag of surrender so when the republican leadership surrenders the stars would be pointing out it's a great answer dan you don't know very thorough going to have a bit further to his expertise are the republicans are still calling the president's inaugural speech far laughed at the reality is in my opinion the president is just agreeing with the majority of the american people usa today poll showed more than half of americans fifty three percent of americans approve of marriage equality in a.b.c. washington post poll showed fifty seven percent of americans approve of a pathway to citizenship for immigrants an a.p. poll found eighty percent of americans believe climate change is happening and it's a serious problem so as of president obama's speech really far left or republicans just being left behind by a nation that's becoming more progressive giants well your original piece on obama's speech not being far to the left comes from think progress which itself is somewhere to the left of karl marx well they they assembled

a graphic that we shared with you the numbers are not from think progress and the from the washington post and a.b.c. and usa today you know i made this comment to you before we start getting these polls there's the quote from disorderly there's lies there's damn lies and then there's poll. so so you think the majority of americans don't actually think the climate change is a problem oh i think a lot of people in washington d.c. to think tonight climate change is a problem because it's about eight degrees outside but as far as manmade climate change i think most people disagree with it statistics show that the good of the climate has not warmed any in the last couple of decades you know you believe and yet you know. do as i mentioned there's no manmade climate change and prevent it i think the climate changes all the time it is different from weather and climate the question and i think we need to discern this definitively before we invest trillions of dollars which should be taken out of poverty programs things like that are you think that science is still out that i think there may be a role in

a manmade role i don't think that a trillion dollars again taken out of anti-malaria programs aids programs in africa is necessarily the best investment for our money if we can't definitively show that but that verdict the trillion dollars come from the trillion dollars comes from an opportunity cost that's roughly how much people of thrown out there are some experts on the left to lower the climate point zero zero zero zero one degree really you know when george herbert walker bush was president you know we had this terrible problem of acid rain there has to rain was caused by sulfur dioxide that was coming out of smokestacks of coal power coal fired power plants and so he put together a cap and trade system where the over time the amount of sulfur dioxide you were allowed to have it would decline and you could trade in sulfur dioxide credits cap and trade work brilliantly acid rain is not that much of a problem anymore and the banks did well the oil companies did well the power companies did well you know i don't see any opportunity cost lost there why can't we do the same thing with carbon dioxide you know there's

a huge difference between talking about an isolated problem which was acid rain which occurred in specific areas and this huge hoax that we call the manmade global warming you know five hundred years there's if there's even a one percent chance that. ninety nine percent of the world's scientists are right if there's even a one percent chance that we could be really seriously messing with the possibility that our grandparents could even serve or our grandchildren could even survive should we pay attention to. the were first of all the science is not settled in fact some of it is arguably even been forged but our five hundred years ago we had something called the little ice age devastated europe they couldn't grow crops even two hundred two hundred fifty years ago new york harbor froze over during the winter now it doesn't if this is a good time for us there is much evidence to show that climate change is caused by solar activity as opposed to manmade i would i will leave you with the last word on that judson let's talk about labor unions although i disagree with you. but i won't

get into the area let's talk about labor unions it appears the labor strikes are now a thing of the past as this chart shows work stoppages for labor disputes have won it since the one nine hundred seventy s. forty years ago there was an average of nearly three hundred work stoppages a year involving more than one thousand workers but in two thousand and nine that number dropped all the way down to five per year just five major work stoppages per year yet working people have suffered through thirty years of flat wages and watching their jobs be shipped overseas on the flip side lock outs are on the rise this is the result of less democracy in the workplace also known as unions stemming from conservatives busting up union since the time of reagan and when unions declined so too does the middle class a share of national income so isn't this the real reason why the middle class is suffering dan you're going to say correlation is not causation i dispute this whole line of reasoning the middle class and lower income groups in the united states are suffering because of government tom you know what i dispute

a lot of the income inequality statistics there is income inequality and obviously the level is always those that are the worst in the developed world when it well you know they've asked in a developed world we need households which is whatever your household run for the hills splitting fifty thousand dollars amongst five people and a multitude. people it's two completely different things secondly lower income folks tend to spend money on products where competition is really active you know in wal-mart the higher income folks don't they invest in services that are really locally geographically based they put their money in mitt romney's swiss bank this is all done tom this is all happening because we have a tax code skewed towards big corporations because both sides have done it screw it i'm sure we're talking here about the fact that as unions since ronald reagan declared war on labor unions and in the spring of one thousand nine hundred eighty one when he when he fired the patco workers from that day until this we have seen union membership union strikes union power just absolute collapse it went from around thirty percent when reagan came in to around seven percent of the private

sector now and along with that we've seen an absolute flattening of wages how can those two down here we haven't seen a flattening of wages that's just not true i mean we play should just in wages right now are a dollar twelve cents higher than they were every thirty times ago every single can tile has gone up but the question is the have the rich as the top quintile gone up at a higher run prison is going up two hundred seventy five percent right but the bottom quintile is going to do so you know if you want to it hasn't even gone up what ten percent are you tom but you know what you're acting as a nihilist feel like it's destroying things so what's your solution make a solution is make everybody poorer might know my solution is roll back have tartly oh. but i'm serious you know card check let people join unions if they want to judge there's two reasons why strikes are almost nonexistent now number one and this is a point you're going to agree with me it's going to shock you that i agree with something that this that is free trade has just decimated our manufacturing sector you know totally with it and in these in these so-called free trade agreements so there is a there disasters and what's even worse this year we're going to see the worst of

them all the mother of free trade agreements trip then abortion called the trans pacific partnership i'm totally with but the second thing is as a practical matter a strike is a disastrous tool for employ. if you go out on strike listen you go out on strike for two months and you get a three percent raise well guess what you've lost about ten percent of your wages so it could take you two or three years just to make up what you lost so it's not a smart tool then why is it that those strikes those you know the massive strikes in the one nine hundred thirty s. and the early one nine hundred forty s. that led to the you know large scale unionization of industrial america were so successful in creating good wages for. the united middle well fifty sixty seventy years we don't get away that now we do have a little not so much but way back then you had the roosevelt administration which is very much pro in the eisenhower instruction which was pro union and i'm excited ministration that was pro union don't even start you know richard nixon but. you

know what we're seeing for strive for employees striking in this day and age is simply a bad idea you end up losing more than you get your because because the employers have all the power i don't disagree with that let's take a let's talk about pot on tuesday the u.s. court of appeals ruled in favor of the d.d.a. the drug enforcement agency and declined to change the official drug classification of marijuana currently the d.a. classifies marijuana as a schedule one drug which is reserved for the most dangerous type of drugs that have absolutely no medical benefit other schedule one drugs include heroin and l.s.d. on schedule to cocaine morphine and p.c.p. played in the case presented more than two hundred peer reviewed studies that show the benefits of medicinal marijuana governor lincoln chafee in rhode island governor christine gregoire in washington state both called for marijuana to be rescheduled but the court was in swayed does anyone else think this is absolutely insane that we classify marijuana as a more dangerous drug and heroin cocaine p.c.p.

and this is ridiculous maybe in a law enforcement officer of my entire adult life criminalization of chris always a tongue twister criminalization of marijuana on the aircraft is an absurd idea. i mean i remember troll in the streets of new york city and you'd catch you know a kid a sixteen year old good kid all around maybe got caught made a mistake was smoking a joint and rolled it up and i remember thinking myself we're going to ruin this kid's entire life over a marijuana cigarette it is the most ridiculous thing in the decriminalization of marijuana is even edmundo there it would be a priority for me if i ran again it's just a waste of acid as a republican you being a very pleased to hear you say that you're judge i practiced law for twenty four years ten of it as a prosecutor the rest as a criminal defense lawyer three of those years i prosecuted i was a drug prosecutor so i've met seen every side and i've seen this whole thing you

know it. it's a little surprising that the feds still classify marijuana as a schedule one drug because it's drugs that you mentioned still inside the psychedelic much of value there's obviously in tennessee where unlicensed marijuana was we called it a schedule six controlled substance which is long as you had small enough quantities it was published at a much much lower scale though the issue that you're getting to the davis talked about is do we legalize drugs are a couple things i'm not calling for legalization i'm calling for decriminalization is a different well we're going to criminalize it and not not even all drug actually let me just show you a quick clip and you can show you can reflect this here is congressman jared polis questioning da da administrator michel leonhard on the ridiculous classification of marijuana this past year. it is. crack worse or person than marijuana i believe all. that is math and that i mean worse for somebody stole than marijuana. i don't think

you need illegal to is heroin worse for someone's help than marijuana. again i mean you do yes you know i don't know i mean if you don't know you can look this up you should know this is the chief administrator for the drug enforcement agency i'm asking you a very straightforward question is heroin worse for someone's help than marijuana. legal drugs are are bad is when you don't know how or what. i think she does now and she doesn't want to say i didn't tell you with one hundred percent certainty have a bit of federal agencies protecting her budget there is money for her vested in forcing marijuana it's just like it's ten seconds not really enough. if this is a longer discussion that we need to have some time and it will have to come back and have through the rubble some type of put this at the top of the agenda and some fill up stand bungy and i thank you both for time thank you for coming up as republicans across the nation work tirelessly to rig the twenty sixteen

presidential election to many americans are turning a blind eye to this all out assault on our democracy what can we do to protect american democracy and save it from the one party rule. stories. usually. are.

i think. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for life you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture.