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these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. showing . the day. the un security council has strongly condemned to north korea's third and most powerful nuclear test threatening more sanctions against. iran that made on no access to a military complex which is the suspected side of a new fixed very minute that's ahead of a round of talks with the u.n. atomic was still. rising egypt's authorization becomes increasingly radical with a movement to support arms he's heard exclusively what the group's concerns and and . and president obama says it's important to create
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jobs will be unemployed in the u.s. and promises the war in afghanistan will be a twenty four these are live pictures of the was president addressing the nation in his state of the union speech for the first time since free election. coming up in the big picture with a host tom hartman here to stay with us. mr speaker the host of the big picture.
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my fellow americans the state of the union is strong its politicians however are stupid and bought off by everybody from oil billionaires like the koch brothers and the shakes to transnational corporations and defense contractors which is problem one our supreme court has said that money is the same thing as speech its not its money our supreme court is also the corporations are people they are not their voluntary associations the bill of rights was not written to protect the east india company it was written to protect individual people so we need to amend our constitution to clearly and explicitly say corporations are not people and money is not speech problem two is at the core of why we have government why did those guys to have centuries ago put their lives on the line and fight and die to create the united states and why have people fought and died over and over and over again in
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the intervening years to keep this nation alive. jefferson put it quite simply in the declaration of independence that governments are instituted among men to secure the on a double rights of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness so the question of why do we have government easy answer to provide life liberty and the pursuit of happiness does that mean government should be hysterical about its budget deficit when there's no problem created by that deficit no that's stupid does that mean the government should be hysterical about how much it's spending when our government is spending about half as much of its g.d.p. as most other developed nations and our own spending compared to ourselves is at levels lower than most of the past half century you know that's stupid too these are manufactured hysteria is to get our government to do things that will further destroy the middle class and enrich the banks in the billionaires have nothing to do with the purpose of government if the job of the government is to protect the rights of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness what the constitution
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repeatedly refers to as the general welfare and the real issue government should be laser focused on is obvious it's jobs and nine hundred forty four president franklin roosevelt suggested that we should put into law a second bill of rights it would cost if i what he had already been doing for a decade with the new deal and among the most important of those was the right to a job when capitalism fails to provide for life liberty the pursuit of happiness and the so called free market fails to provide for the general welfare which happens constantly because these are not the job of capitalism then logically those responsibilities fall to government it's why we created our government and that means taking making the government the employer of last resort there are over two point five trillion dollars worth of infrastructure affair repair we need just to bring ourselves back to being in the same shape we were in when ronald reagan became president and began ignoring infrastructure. that's a hell of a lot of jobs additionally we need to be building out twenty first century versions
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of our four most important forms of infrastructure those for our our intellectual infrastructure our communications infrastructure our energy infrastructure and our transportation infrastructure to build out our intellectual infrastructure we need to go back to our government policies of free education these were first proposed by thomas jefferson when he created the university of virginia as a free college then advanced by abraham lincoln when he granted huge swaths of land to create two wish and three land grant colleges across america they saw a large fulfillment during the truman eisenhower years with the g.i. bill which raised the percentage of americans who tended college around six percent to over twenty percent that intellectual infrastructure built in the one nine hundred fifty s. by truman and eisenhower was the basis of the invention explosion of the sixty's seventy's and eighty's in the united states that brought us the modern computer age
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it's time to fully fund our public schools and to make college and trade schools free for any high school graduate who wants to attend. to build out our communications infrastructure we need to lay a national fiber optic internet system and open it up to competition any company can use it so we can have competitive pricing of high speed broadband like europe japan south korea and other countries do where you can get literally internet access at ten times faster than in the united states for about twenty dollars a month to build our energy infrastructure we need to take a lesson from germany and backstop loans to. banks to loan every homeowner in america anough to put solar panels on their homes meanwhile we need to build a national energy energy smart grid to handle all this new and localized power. additionally we need to backstop local communities and states and building wind farms solar farms wave power installations and whatever other forms of renewable energy are appropriate to those communities and like europe we need to make all of this competitive by making the carbon industry pay for their own extra nowadays the
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cost of the military to protect their oil lines the cost of health care to pay for the cancers they cause the cost of environmental destruction we make them pay for this with a simple carbon tax which then also instantly makes renewable energies less expensive than one thousand century fossil fuels as has happened in australia the last two years to build out our transportation infrastructure we need to take a lesson from europe and china and build a national high speed rail system as c. has sex the leading supplier of real based freight transportation in north america loves to remind us their t.v.'s they can move a ton of freight or a ton of people over five hundred miles on a single gallon of fuel we once had a rail system that was the envy of the world and it was the staging ground for our industrial revolution we need to build it a new and all of this brings us to the third opportunity which is also a threat to our great union and that's global warming scientists tell us that our
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current burn rate of fossil fuels will raise the temperature of our planet five degrees celsius by the year twenty one hundred that in turn will warm our oceans enough to release trillions of tons of methane hydrate that's currently frozen along our continental shelves and those greenhouse gases will raise the temperature of our planet another five degrees that's ten degrees celsius total. the last time that happened was two hundred fifty million years ago when continents were being torn apart a massive lava flow that covered most of what's now called siberia raised the earth's temperature five degrees triggering a melt of the methane crystals that raised it another five degrees that ten degree increase in temperature is what geologists now refer to as the permian extinction ninety five percent of all life on earth both on land and sea die it was the worst of all the five major extinctions our planet has seen it took eighty thousand years for life to bounce back on earth and i shared in the age of the dinosaurs we
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are creating our own permian extinction and we need to stop it now that carbon tax will be a great first step and there's much more we can do beyond that so that's the state of our union we are not broke we're the richest nation in the world we don't have a deficit or a spending problem we have a jobs problem and we are not any longer going to lead trickle down economics turn us into a third world nation we're going to rebuild and then update our critical infrastructures and in the process we will save ourselves from making ourselves extinct these are the challenges before us and we can meet them if you the people will get behind the effort now time's a waste. at a.
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time turn things over to our big picture politics panel our panel and our vince collin a senior online editor with the daily caller richard fowler progressive strategist and host of the richard collar show and marc harrold libertarian commentator author thank you all for joining us chuck schumer seemed to really enjoy it i have. to say he was like he was having hope i don't want to see others who don't like the publisher of growth. according to. as projections from the congressional budget office the nation's deficit has shrunk by trillions of dollars the debt is close to being stabilized as a percentage of the economy in fact the deficit reduction achieved since two thousand and eleven has overwhelmingly favored spending cuts to tax increases spending has slowed more under obama than any other president in modern history we've got a chart about this someplace. maybe we don't have a ok so anyhow most of the reduction so far has been spending cuts isn't the time period the three quarters of deficit reduction to date has been spending cuts and
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you know isn't it time to say ok if we're worried about the deficit and frankly i'm not you know i think you know the government deficits equal private sector surpluses it's a very simple math i mean it's there's double entry bookkeeping and one of the things that we look you know look at the last hundred years of american history every time deficits went down rapidly private sector surpluses also want down rapidly and we went into severe recession and twice into depressions so you know i just don't consider this a problem but if you think it's a problem shouldn't we be raising revenues rather than cutting expenses this you look very serious and i do i'm i'm thinking about it and i like listening to you talk it's interesting the i would say that to say that there is no spending problem i think is probably i had in the sand position because even the president has said it well publicly they're spending probably privately he said but he's reportedly told people john boehner specifically that he doesn't think there is a standing here and he was right but the reality it still matter but the reality is
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that they do matter i mean look look across europe and you've talked about europe extensible deficits only matter if you don't issue your own our currency our debt to g.d.p. ratio as you as your as you were just discussing half already and it's already over one hundred percent is half of what your hands it's a fifth of what china is it easier up in europe you have countries there were eighty ninety percent you don't if you don't hear any ratio and they were coal we have will never run out of care. dollars. we make you inflation oh you know you don't know the inflation is we have never yet i challenge you to give me one example of any time any country in the world had inflation as a result of anything other than increases in commodity prices and availability of. name one. can often and i'm not an expert on the issue that's not what causes inflation in the inflation of the seventy's and eighty's was caused by running out of oil price of oil dramatically going up the inflation in zimbabwe was the result of people being given farmers who didn't know how to farm and they're so there was a there was literally a food shortage inflation is it's not too many dollars chasing too few good sites
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too few goods being chased by the same government spending matters because right now if you just look at the unfunded liabilities as they stand and i know you don't like talking on a fund and the truth is we can't even pay out to our social security recipients we don't have the monies that we certainly can't we certainly don't we're going to time i got to tell you i figured that fundamentally change how we think about deficit spending in this country republicans the deficit spending is a bad thing but i see it as an investment in the future when you put a trillion dollars into the economy or a billion dollars in the economy reform to save the union address in transportation expenditures you create thirty four thousand jobs in the first billion dollars of spending and that's not only on your to your woman you create secondary jobs and tertiary jobs and people are working they're putting money back into the economy which means the government is increasing revenue so it will cause more people making up the tax base and i think republican to fundamentally change how they see deficit that they want this economy to get back on track and they want to preserve the middle class america this is the this is it we just want to get work in here which is that the mark this was what eisenhower did he spent massively built a national highway system and it stimulated the economy he did in the year he was
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in a little bit of a different place because the the people themselves coming out of world war two didn't have nearly the personal debt that we've incurred but i did that there is a split there isn't a debt was one hundred twenty seven percent of g.d.p. there's a spending problem or not i mean originally you know they said there's no spending problem the president monday they walked back on magic carney said there is a spending problem but it's a health care problem because that's what they're going to say that they fix it i think there's. a spending problem i don't believe that you know i i think it's a scary thing to say we can't run out of money because we print it ourselves i think it's the value of that money obviously it's not backed we do have to remember we have a lot of foreign investment in our deficit our debt if they are barley's loans even a very home market all the problems that we should them out of that they never call them it's not a self-sustaining economy for a superpower if they can are more of tonight's politics to have will pick up this conversation.
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while american the big picture bad politics panel joining me are vince colonist richard follower marc harrold let's get back actually i want to finish this conversation going a bit have this is i think it's a fascinating conversation i pointed out that you know from two thousand and eight two thousand and eleven the fed and we know this because bernie sanders and ron paul got the fed audited the fed created twenty nine trillion dollars out of not out of nowhere and about half of that still running around you know passed out of the banks into the helicoptered money to write quote. alan greenspan where's the inflation there's no inflation well the fed the fed exists in part to in order to try and stave off the type of economic on the rest i mean this is what they do right they can they do these these qualitative easing programs in order to try and help make the economy solvent but in the long term as not it is all rounder the fed is a lender of money to banks but the reason why the fed strategy was a good strategy this go around is because we didn't see the government do its part of the fiscal side so the fed to their part of keep you know keeping the rates
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there was making the rates lower but what you should have seen is the using the government investing in america's greatest resource its people to go back to work when the banks are now willing to lend and they have a lower interest to lend that that is the opportunity when you put the middle class in the working class back to work so they can afford cars homes you know they can send their kids to private schools xander kids to college and that is what prompts our economy we've seen from republican that we've seen from john boehner is the absolute opposite of that they want to cut cut cut cut cut they want to kick kids out of head start they want to fire seventy thousand teachers and the. there are some who are going to go the economy that way but impossible based on the excerpts the white house has already released about the president's speech and one of the questions the president will ask is how do we attract jobs in this country and that's a very that's a question that a lot of people want an answer to and one of the solutions is plain it's in his face and it's to lower corporate tax rates close to loopholes get to a place it will actually distracting corporations from country to country based on tax rates they move from country to country they say look for a tax return
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a little cost accessor one very very tiny part of that because the taxes only keep going on profits and you know they're far more likely to be looking at labor costs but that's assuming that all things are equal we're the only country in the world that doesn't have affected terrorist so bad you have to do to attract businesses to the way that is it is but this doesn't what i would do to drive business is the united states is why i would say very simply that you know we're going to we're going to go back to a tariff a system like we had from seven hundred eighty seven until one thousand nine hundred ninety basically ninety eight but you know beyond that tom i think the noble idea was you invest in new industries when the president took when the president took office in two thousand and eight the green battery in it was only one percent of the we we're only one of the market you're the mayor america was and now we're twenty percent market share because the president in the stimulus package invested in green technology and there's an excellent point and a bit of a question is what prevents that company from doing like was this inside of the company that shut down in ohio is it working for the bank now who are you going to say yeah you know it's you know i think that we need to have
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a seven point permeable membrane around this country market is some kind of a trade policy we had trade policies well i don't agree with many trade policies at all you want people to be investing you want people to have their money it should be people the government shouldn't be investing in anything the government should be providing the services the baseline services not your this guy because you would provide moments for investing in things that means they're taking your it's not their money it's your money they've stolen from it is taken the money and they're going to invest it better you that what your idea of me and my money and i'll invest in the things that you're identifying is the fundamental flaw in in in monetary theory that's that's been put out and it was true. prior to nine hundred seventy one when every dollar had to be back twenty five percent buy gold but now if that's not the case we're on a currency as are virtually all the other countries of the world excluding europe all of those countries basically are on a gold standard the gold standard being the euro there's no gold associated but they're stuck without their own currency and because of that the our dollar our government can simply issue more dollars into existence and spend them but let me it's not really investment i mean does it is idea that if we did the van china very
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well hydrated a whole system in the twenty nine trillion dollars where is inflation first of all i think it's too soon to really see if that inflation but bottom line is the government's not there to invest your money it's there to take the very small amount of money it needs it's not there to invest your money where your money is not what interests you what's you know not the best my club that's interesting i just take them if you're to me richard brought up an issue he said they talk about the president investing in green energy and i've always thought that conservatives and liberals actually do have middle ground on the issue of and of energy efficiency because there's an economic benefit there's an economic benefit and environmental benefit and that's where the meeting ground is the problem with government investment when it's related to green energy specifically is that the government will choose specific energy types that it supports and energy and energy will move in fits and starts in terms of how technology advances because the free market is incentivized to only move in the direction the government wants it to not know not true the free market has a set of eyes of moving in the direction where there's the greatest profits and if they've got to deal with government that helps we have today but i think he wants to know who's on this later but they don't because the government alex looks
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profitable by what they want to invest in and they favor certain technologies around their argument is flawed because if your argument is flawed economic theory tells you something called the money multiplier when the government puts one dollar in it creates four dollars in the on that because i get the dollar i go to a store i purchased something that's what the pay an employee with that dollar but employees got to pay their rent would that dollar that property was about to pay their tax dollars to create four dollars just by the government putting in one dollar without taking out the you know the percentage of that you would be willing to to see if it reaches a marketplace where your guys it reallocates. and for business owners not it creates new my as well if you're strong if it expands the economy it doesn't actually happen and you can only be the enemy that's exact what happened to war two when the government came with the g.i. bill and they sent all these people to college and they gave all these little mortgages they created the middle class in this country and they're going to build highways and their own thing because people have been prohibited from using a lot of their money they want the personal debt and that was unleashed a floodgate everybody want to spend it one time get far too much credit for what they did there because people were not sitting on it mind you know our viewers what
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they are handing how they did but only about how they had a little arsenal bearing the war they were sitting on money as they as they made it by writing on the g.i. god we had actually that were not just through personal those guys those people who were who were fighting in europe and japan did not come back rich no they didn't come in rich but the citizens as a whole had not been allowed to spend money the same household wealth in the united states at the at the end of world war two was not substantially greater than it was with our gary and it was twenty years later debt ratio was much actually because you have been impossible to get a mortgage before the before they did that's because of the type of debt they do now you're still talking about taking money i mean the whole idea of having money to just what you create with the real thing but more of the reason why i read a reason why folks are caring so much personal debt right now one of those examples being was to loan debt crisis in this country a trillion dollars of it is that god created but no no it is it was created because you know it was created because the government decided that it was not going to invest in the america's future and america's children under ronald reagan that's why we're in the debt situation that we're in right now because the government did not decide that it is because of government stopped funding college is no reagan came really simple statistic very simple statistics when reagan came into office
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eighty two percent of the cost of tuition nationwide all college tuition was paid for by federal state or local governments right now twenty two percent of all tuitions but i will say it wasn't totally outpaced its market because the government backed in other words and they were not always the way we got the average sector's lap down alongside over and offered out just like with health care the government then the tuition went up because it was back to people if they want to take on the loans and there's no way he wishes the wishing well the two on up because the switch from a grant bases into a loan base. if the man alone bases them where the banks are now the banks are responsible for lending the money but if that is what federal government because it was usually an out of profit to begin with we did all grant because the more we are about moving you know we're about increasing the institution increasing learning instead of making profit at the end going to be a sort of education hey game of this article last week about this argument as you're pitching it is that no circumstance should people be incurring dad should be worrying about their personal financial responsibility as relates to higher
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education and then in an ideal world the government was simply pay for all of it and in doing so when you know your there's a fundamental flaw in your logic and that is that as as as you vince colonies you can't issue the currency you're making decisions about number one and number two as a householder or as a small business person your job is not to look out for the for the general welfare of all the people the job of government is to do is to do that and government has the ability to create money but that won't fair and also includes having people understand that they do have some skin in the game in their financial responsibility do you agree with you that people do have personal responsibility in this game we get the day educating our students makes our economy strong we have more educated in the workforce we're the only the country in the world that is not investing our students i don't understand what republicans are doing and we have spent a lot of time on basically jobs and government investment i think it's really an important thing because that that i think is what the president will talk about it's exactly and that's the number one issue when you do look at all the polling more than eighty percent of people said this is this is where they are most
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concerned but people are also concerned right now about guns especially after newtown victims of gun violence will be in attendance tonight and so too will this guy. but tell you this right now if brock obama becomes the president november again i will either be dead or in jail by this time next year. so thirty thousand americans die from firearm wounds every year eleven thousand of them homicides eighty percent of firearms use in crimes are privately purchased so there's no background check i mean this is mess mark what are we going to it is a mess obviously ted nugent you have to be sense of the fact that this does affect people the problem here is that a lot of the gun control measures that they're talking about there will be people for instance from chicago and it's tragic what's happened but a lot of the laws that they're contemplating that have had very little effect if they've almost gone the other way with having almost no effect on violent gun crime the problem here is that a lot of the gun control you're talking about is not about guns it's about control they're trying to rollback a right and it is a fundamental right it's not
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a right granted by the government it's not something the government can tell you with in a label right given that it might be insured by the undecided we can have guns so what you're saying to me i don't think seriously did god decide we should have guns it's an inalienable natural right to be able to defend nature decide to defend it and i guess now because there is a god decide we have a right to free speech. and no archive you know are you the father sister public did i mean this this is no they don't give you the speech i just want to say is protected by the constitution marc i think all rights have limits and clearly when it comes to this gun control debate you do not need to have enough weapons in your garage to block the taliban to protect yourself i hand out might be five baby knife of some sort but there's no reason people have a k forty seven and mr. military type weapons and i think what the president going to talk about in a speech tonight is not only that but the first thing we need to get done right away is the forty percent of guns that approach in this country that don't but are that are mandated have a background check that the person has no reason for axe murderers rapists and serial killers to have the ability to own guns point glad to hear you or said. i
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think i think what is important in this debate is to recognize the realities and the surreal ality is of the debate in terms of what actually is a problem if you look back in two thousand and twelve some three hundred or so long gun deaths occurred and most of those were from hunting accidents and then you have to. magic incidents like of course like mass shootings where you see these things happen but we're talking about a country of some of the one hundred million people was the two most common forms of gun violence in the united states are suicides and accidental and and both of those i would submit are the consequence of easy availability not all interact that's what other countries don't have those are not all interactions with a gun lead to an incident that so many interactions are the going to specially be related to health events related to self defense actually involves someone just demonstrating a gun revealed brandishing one and only flying hero kid earlier this week it was best for you but this is i think vince you are going sort of proves how far the n.r.a. is mabel to take this leg wouldn't take this diction and take their theology because this is what you're what you're saying as the advocates for the stand your ground
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law this whole idea of the whole i feel as though that i need to defend myself so i'm going to shoot somebody randomly from the revised. of the if you're defending yourself you're not necessarily shooting somebody randomly if you're out of the what and yourself and you have it happened to trayvon martin well that's a that's a completely different yes absolutely and that's a bit like much else that you know to talk about without he was you having his head smashed into the ground yeah i mean i think the other night it was all about it let us not go there it is going to go there all right carol thank you all for joining thank you all for joining me that we got to wrap it up. going out what a massive high speed rail network that connects america's largest cities look like we'll show you after the brick.

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