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welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're talking about the japan china i would just be. ok about to go back to washington i guess there was very angry that you couldn't jump in before the break and now is your opportunity i'd like to see the preface it is that it's what we heard at the very end of the program of the first part is that the militarization of the region and this sounds very very dangerous going back to your nine hundred fourteen comment go ahead. i want to repeat again that the east china sea territorial dispute and the u.s. pivot towards the asia pacific region are two different and two separate strategy what about the timing the timing is very interesting you have to admit that don't you think the timing is yes it is it but i do believe it is

a coincidence the really really balancing of u.s. military forces is not something that you can just do overnight it takes years upon years of decision making and strategic planning it is the reach shifting of military forces from afghanistan and iraq into two new interests and that kind of situation has been in play for the past decade. and i also want to add to that i'm i'm getting a lot of. concern about this idea of china being attacked china against the world and that the united states is was leading this global attack against china if we do look at the numbers the us china relations have never been as as close as they are now in terms of capital flow from one side to the other in terms of people to people networking and ideas exchange this is not the cold war it is not the united states against china so i think that really needs to be

highlighted and never has the white house declare that china is the enemy but at the same time of the work that washington is very concerned about is the military modernization of china and the the building up of arms by china that that is certainly something that is being considered seriously by washington and that is the heart of the rebalancing towards towards the asia pacific region but if again there is the threat of north korea there are other concerns it is a rear and it's also wants to the united states also wants to burden share its oversight of safety in the asia pacific region and it really wants to reconsider and re re define its alliances with its existing partners ok andrew but i mean in beijing we don't see it that way b. c. that there being a target of a possible aggression from the outside marking the bridging sees the situation

pretty clearly not only in terms of the asia pacific but you perms of the world order as i was saying before because because if you look at the the these so-called pivot is really part of a real rebalancing of a response to a change in the group order according to brzezinski who is the course is the boy in american foreign policy whose latest book called strategic which. can actually see how americas could maintain its leadership in a changed world dividing the world into the west and east the west of course includes russia and turkey so it's balancing that with the west means trying to bring russia in for example in the with the p.t.o. and try to bring turkey in into the fold as it were in a kind of balancing row in the west but as far as the ease is concerned brzezinski

calls this a complex beast now how to color balance the complexities where most of china's neighbors are china's largest trading partners and they do not want to sour the relationship with china but of course most of those neighbors also fear that china is getting to bake in its us like a one thousand pound panda and even though it is of good intentions and and a lot of the countries fear but china is getting too big so america comes in and provides a kind of military umbrella and and try to rebalance the kind of geopolitics there but if you if you are in china your cost be very very. worry because as i was saying the pacific and the south china sea in particular is china's that is the quantity it of a lot of resources and an and and in fact china's trade on which china depends for its survival so i think that china is extremely worried

and that as seen to end that also if you add into the kind of total tauriel integrity which is of course is a very very sour point in terms of china's national psyche don't forget the china saw its sovereignty infringe for for almost a century because foreign aggression and that's why there was a rise of nationalism as well in china so all these forces coming by lay ok watch. then jump in this is crosstalk go ahead yeah i i just i just want to disagree with most of that basic premise about a new global order but i did actually want to point out the role that russia can can play in all of this what's very interesting is that there are territorial disputes not just in these china there's quite a few of. them there are quite a few and the one in northern territories the curl islands is something that has been

a huge problem since the end of world war exploded today but at the same time but it's actually i'm at a table with would say who's acting reckless right here ok japan and russia agree to disagree ok they don't have their fleets going after each other ok it's a big difference so when let me go to you until you know that i got a letter here you know who's being reckless in this situation both sides all sides . i just i just want to get back to the resource issue as far as you are subverting china and challenging china's access to resources just look at africa u.s. is actively working against chinese efforts to secure resources on africa when it knockout khadafi for example is shredded chinese oil contracts in that country so china is very vulnerable because it needs oil from fall places that the u.s. can block off through the sea so that's why it is focusing is nearer to home towards the south china sea and the east asia see what has to remember also the

symbolism of the. dispute in china last these islands in hundred ninety five when everyone thought that it has a larger and stronger navy and japan to everyone's surprise. defeat in china back then and took these islands so you know the woman has forgotten about this but china hasn't so it is very specific and peculiar that japan is raising the issue this issue now because this issue was dormant for decades they say that is natural gas and oil in the sea there but the. hasn't been developed in fact japan hasn't done anything with these islands for decades so to raise the issue now is is very interesting to say the least andrew what's a solution what's a win win for both sides of sides if that's possible well i think that as i was saying this problem had been on the table for many many years it's only until the fuck past couple of years that everything seemed to have flare up so tired doesn't want

a war because china's the you have huge problems the contend with more america want to war nor for that matter to plan but because of what all these forces coming into play we have a situation where things can get out of hand very quickly so i think that the boosts both sides are really set aside that agree to disagree as it were the differences and then explore areas where they can cooperate for example i mean there are lots of. resources in that area and then there could be areas for joint exploration for example and of course the the kind of marine life some of them deserves maybe a bit of conservation efforts and of course the finding the code of conduct you know was certain red lines should not be cross because once they're cross then the danger for intended consequences would be very severe with like sending military

aircraft you know cloak flying close to one another or you've been sending fresh you know sort of warning. shells or that could really leap into a kind of military confrontation because that they know so once that was a war once that there was some military crash between china japan america has got to be involved on the side of japan because of the of the treaty of the defense treaty and once americans got involved everything ask so this is the very dangerous situation if we go back to washington i think there's another historical thing we should remember during the cold war the soviet union in the united states had certain standards to communicate with each other in a crisis does china and japan need that now. or developing personal relations is critical in defusing the current situation i think hit the nail on the head the two sides do need to come. together to agree to disagree and we are very very far

away from that situation at that moment and so the personal connection the trust the communication pipeline needs to be established and used very very frequently at this stage one of the biggest worries that i have at the moment on a practical side is the two weeks ago there was a ridge or that was shot out to japanese. defense. ships and shooting a missile is a two step process you fire a radar right and then the missile follows that radar trajectory for china to have done that is very alarming it is an act of aggression but the fact that china the chinese government is denying it it's all very interesting either china. the chinese leadership did not know that that happened and that it was just on a grassroots level at the ship commanders level that is worrying if that is the

case because that means the ship commanders have. considerable power to set flame on a very incendiary situation or it could also mean that the chinese leadership has complete knowledge and understanding of the situation and it ordered it and that opens another kettle of you know. folks fascinating discussion really and resolve the dispute we'll be talking about in the future many thanks my guests today in washington and in hong kong and thanks to our viewers for watching us here ok see you next time and remember crosstalk. lisa bloom.

you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for life you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture .

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