investigation of the leadership conference of women religious the major investigators have been changed in rome and the tone is changing the the sisters who resisted have gotten made clear that there is a resistance to this over arching patriarchy patriarchy isn't demick in world religions and you know i think we have to fight this but i don't know exactly when this is going to be overcome it's a long fight and sometimes the best thing to do is just to say hell no i won't go to withdraw your money to withdraw your support and to withdraw your time and put it somewhere else i mean there's that's been happening but it's also the case that a lot i mean people are working on it washington jump in it is it is it is precisely what people are doing they're pulling their kids from catholic schools they're not going to catholic hospitals and i want to talk for a moment about catholic hospitals because these here in the u.s.

are institutions that are there to serve the public and recently with the politicization of politicization forgive me of you know women's health and the catholic conference of catholic bishops who made it so that. particular hospital in arizona was stripped of its catholic affiliation women who are in distress who are not going to survive pregnancies if they go to catholic hospitals are under a doctrine that pretty much says let her die that's that's coming from the hierarchy but it's played out locally that is a position that is untenable and it's unconscionable the catholic church has every right to hold whatever it does but the fact of the matter is that for a lot of people there are some unpardonable sins covering up the rape and the brutalization of children making it so that a woman who goes into a medical institute. as beholden to the specific religious tenets of the doctors

who would treat her the nurses who would treat her is unconscionable no one would go to a hospital where jehovah's witness doctor says well we can't transfuse blood but but women are expected to just say ok well my tax money should go to support hospital which will not give me the full range of reproductive care that's wrong and the catholic church is behind that they will too much political power here in the u.s. and around the world as well but as a as a woman who is of child bearing years here in the us i've got a big problem with that and that's not something that the catholic church is addressing adequately and a lot of women my age and who are you know who love a woman who could bear a child right now are really second guessing their affiliation with catholic institutions because of that position as well nancy and so you nodding your head you want to jump in there. well i just completely agree with everything that joe miller has said and i i don't understand what terry is saying because he's saying

just ignore what the hierarchy is doing ignore the politicization of hospital care and of medical care and now we're going into a new obamacare program it's a very decisive moment in the world and the catholic church has to bow out of that it has to allow women to get the care they need you know liberation theology was about a preferential option for the poor the sick and the miserable of the world and in fact the church has taken moves i call a preferential option for death around condoms around contraception around necessary abortions that's a preferential option that is given directly against women and their bodies and it expresses a hatred for the body and that's what has made me leave the church that i was brought up in and i loved and i love the sacraments i think they're beautiful i think that they give anesthetic and reflexive eighty about the created world but it

is so at odds with the politicization of the of the of the body of people of gay people and queer people and women i cannot bear it anymore and i suffer a loss to my spirituality that i have not been able to fill. because i had the the fate of being thrown into the world as a baptized catholic so it is like my race in a sense and i have to i had to be d. d. ressa fighting in the fact that i don't have the i guess i could walk into an episcopal church my daughter is an episcopal priest she's an episcopal priest because of being exposed to liberation theology the years that we lived in brazil and then in south africa when she saw her. the archbishop tutu and she saw how this couple priests were married and had families and had rich lives who understood the

suffering of poor people of women so. i don't know is terry comfortable with saying that catholics and women and gay people of conscience should simply join another another tradition that's similar but is not the one that you feel ok you add it you as carry a question you asked her a question let him answer. in one sense i want to make some distinctions here first i don't want to ignore the bishops i want to occasionally to fight them occasionally to agree with them but i don't i think ignoring them is a problem no not at all people don't ignore them they stay in spite of them and i think that's a major problem if one can no longer worship in the catholic church if no one can no longer feed the hungry give drink to the thursday close the close the naked in the catholic church if one can no longer receive the sacraments there then one she has to go somewhere else that's exactly correct is that a good thing i think it's

a very sad thing and if it's a result of a personal commitment what can i say that's what people do if it's the result of hatred of the hierarchy i'm not quite so sure that's a good thing yes there are things that are hateable in the hierarchy they have done some horrible things they've also done some good things and i don't think it's quite clear proper to characterize catholic hospitals as not providing full ranges of health care in an emergency i think that that's we have to do. ordinary health care and i agree but. it's going to washington go ahead i'm so sure about that go to washington you are wrong if i present myself if i am in sepsis. let's look at the world looked at ireland when i went to what a dentist her husband brought her and she was she was the child inside her was probably not viable but she had started contracting they would not take that

pregnancy which was going to kill the mother because she the woman had started contracting sepsis ted and the woman died of an infection anywhere else in the world they would have saved her it's not a hard thing to do you perform the abortion you save the woman the same thing happened in the state of arizona if i were to present to a hospital here in the u.s. let's say georgetown university. a and b. c. i would get my husband and say you take me across town to a non catholic hospital i don't want to lose you and leave our child you know motherless that's what women are up against to say that they're offering a full range of medical care my friend is disingenuous at best i don't mean to make you my enemy i said i don't think that's correct you know i really want to cherry get the last word real quick carrie go ahead. i really want to suggest that the could be it the issue in arizona was not an abortion it was something else and the thing that happened in ireland that should be repudiated that was tragic and i

don't think that follows catholic teaching at all it follows obsession all right after folks fascinating discussion but we have run out of time many thanks today to my guests in new york washington and in berkeley and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember cross talk rules. you know the only thing we want. is that. we are focusing on the problem. because no one thought to during. school. nights when you feel sorry for.

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