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was that you know he was counting on the international community to help him and the international community did not have so he said for the moment there is you know we are in front of a war he didn't say that he never said that there will never be peace with israel so unless you are saying that there must be a military solution. which a lot of people say. but kofi annan did not say that and i'm not saying what's your take it's peaceful resolution still a great possibility it is it would not oppose for the moment it is extremely difficult it's not that it's not happening but it is a must the syria either has a peaceful resolution or then war for i don't until the country is destroy and
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if you don't want to be the country to be destroyed and i don't think you do then you really call for this war resolution difficult as it may be. the the choice really is between destroying syria and having the peace was can i ask you something why do you think syrian uprising has such a strong terrorist element to it is if this is again. what is it that you call terrorist. very often a lot of people call terrorism what others call liberation movement and i think in syria we have something similar there are definitely acts of horrible violence and acceptable. that is done by both sides but
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to say that the struggle is between the government and terrorists is is a little bit pushing it too far short the u.n. commission believes. al islam shall effectively jihadist tera brigades are backed from abroad and they're operating in syria a lot of people are backed from abroad that doesn't necessarily make them terrorists the. is. is is considered a terrorist organization by a lot of people including by a lot of syrians but that doesn't mean that everybody is is a terrorist in syria what do you what do you make of saudis mission that they're actually supplying arms to a lot of there's a lot of prying around on the record not saying yeah sure the russians are supplying arms to a very government. they don't they don't deny that and we have a war and. unfortunately we have a war
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a lot of syrians most syrians as a matter of fact both from the government and from the opposition. are with me because i call it civil war but it is a civil war you. mr i agree with me on something yes. you and i call it a civil war a civil war always support from outside. and you have both you have two sides in this civil war and this is what level of says there are two sides to this position of the government that they should negotiate for let's make it very clear that there are organizations that are objectively objectively can be considered. there are organisations that are considered by the government as to orders as a matter of fact who are not in syria the main struggle is really between a large part of the people of syria who want change they want change in their
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country. and that is i think a legitimate aspiration they want dignity that's what they said they want dignity they want change they want democracy. this is the struggle there are foreigners they are a tiny minority maybe a few hundreds maybe a couple of thousand but there is hundred thousand at least of our own two people who are fighting against their government fortunately so i mean don't try to to say that it is foreigners who are fighting against the syrian government this is not the case so you feel like syrian people could go on living in a secular country even if as i goes i hope so that's all i'm asking that's not what your us if you are asking about yes definitely and i think that a lot of people in syria and outside outside of syria very much want syria to continue to be
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a secular state why do you think it has taken so long it's been two years already that's a very good question and it's the best question you have asked. it. you know you have a very strong well organized regime. who are determined to stay in power they have the means they have the military means. to fight and doing so the opposition is in spite of all the weapons they. are not well organized mostly civilians who are taking up arms. and that is why you know they can keep the struggle going they cannot win a military victory but the government also cannot defeat them this is. cindy's one thousand times that is why once again a political peaceful solution is what is necessary and good for the syrian people
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when i was in serious three months ago i saw it said that he actually will stay until two thousand and fourteen wait for the election and then see what happens i mean is this a realistic plan. you know one. would very much like the problem to be solved long before two thousand and fourteen if it if it were possible to be solved before two thousand and fourteen it's much better than waiting until two thousand and fourteen because we're talking about civil war and he's talking about elections. how does these two go together they don't you can't have election words civil wars or you need to stop the civil war and the civil war can be stopped. through the negotiations on the basis of the geneva agreement so if we have that resolution then we'll have an election what kind of an election depends on the results of the of the negotiations his future in
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his own hands at this point should it be in his own hands. and talking about assad i don't want to talk about that let me ask you one more question about assad do you think the only problem is in assad and he not stepping down that is. lot of people who are opposed to or who are involved in this conflict in syria think that the president is a serious important part of the problem this is a fact and very pretty to every day do you believe that's the problem doesn't matter what i believe doesn't matter what you believe either you talk directly to the american government they believe that he's the problem do you think it's an oversimplistic approach or no i'm sure you really interview americans and you ask them but do you speak with the syrian government and assad directly as you speak to the opposition and their leaders also you know we have an office in damascus and we're keeping very close connection and i saw president assad. december so what
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messages are they sending to each other how have their behaviors towards each other changed in recent months i don't think it has changed enough to bring them to the negotiating table and this is what a lot of people including mr level of work and go. coalition the coalition seems to be under a great influence of many international players you have the arab gulf states you have the united states you have turkey no tell me if i'm mistaken please because that's the question what is the question all i'm asking is that is it hard to negotiate with a coalition that is influenced with different international forces everybody. in the world to the people who are connected to one another they are influenced by one another i deal with russia i deal with turkey i deal with the united
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states because these are countries that. i think rightly or wrongly think that they have an interest they have a concern. they have fears about what is happening in syria. and i think that all can help the syrian people and me get to a sort of which you fear do you fear there's a chance that and the iraqi scenario could unfold in syria where sectarian violence spills over absolutely this is what needs to be avoided this is what you know you have already some. overtones of sectarianism. you know becoming more and more visible in the struggle in syria and that is why the earlier the the
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a problem the sort of the better ways to take care of that at this point he said overtones are heard at this point who has to deal with that now i think both parties both parties have to be extremely careful to avoid and face to face i think that aware of it. but they need to talk to be a little bit more. more care for the not to allow the situation to slip into a purely sectarian conflict mr brahimi thank you very much for this interview thank you.
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